| Posted by: calvin at April 21, 2008, 5:59 am | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On Apr 21, 11:45 am, "Kingo Gondo" wrote: Quote:... Bullshit pseudo-science is the plaything of the authoritarian types everywhere (Stalin, Hitler)--at the core, it is the same with ID bullshitters. Science must be bent to conform to the dogma. To that I say, fuck off. Fine, but I'm not an IDer in anything but a speculative, philosophical sense. I've repeatedly said that it doesn't belong in science or science class. My main interest in the movie had to do with the repression and persecution that it promised to reveal, but didn't adequately deliver on. Being an old-fashioned liberal, I don't like repression and persecution of even, say, UFO spotters. For today's left, repression and persecution are fine, as long as they are for the 'proper' causes. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: calvin at April 21, 2008, 5:21 am | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On Apr 21, 11:13 am, "Kingo Gondo" wrote: Quote:If you just yammered about films, you'd be fine, generally. Of course I could say the same about Gaza, so that is not really saying much when you think about it.. But as your "Expelled" "review" demonstrated, that is not possible for the likes of you. I was under the impression that you liked and appreciated my review of 'Expelled ...'. But, in any case, that was a political movie, so any review of it would naturally include some political views of the reviewer. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: calvin at April 21, 2008, 5:03 am | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On Apr 21, 10:36 am, "Kingo Gondo" wrote: Quote:"Richard Schultz" <schu...@mail.biu.ack.il> wrote in message In my prior experience of reading your posts, there is little if any correlation between the confidence with which you express an opinion and the likelihood that that opinion bears any correspondence with what the rest of us like to call objective reality. And, amazingly, his opinion of a film he hasn't seen (!!!) corresponds to his exact impressions after seeing it. Any wonder why the guy is seeing creationist cartoons in his seemingly boundless spare time? It's interesting that your post references a counterexample to your claim. I thought 'Expelled...' would be good enough to see in a theater rather than wait for the DVD, but after seeing it I posted my disappointment with it. Also, you have not looked unfavorably on many of my posts about movies. It appears that the temptation to pile on, in the same way that Mr. Schultz often does, overrides any impulse that you might have to speak the truth... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: calvin at April 21, 2008, 4:45 am | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On Apr 21, 10:36 am, "Kingo Gondo" wrote: Quote:Any wonder why the guy is seeing creationist cartoons in his seemingly boundless spare time? I wonder why my posts in these NGs indicate any more spare time than others' posts. It seems to me that we all could use a life. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: calvin at April 21, 2008, 4:20 am | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On Apr 21, 9:22 am, schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard Schultz) wrote: Quote:By the way, have you gotten around to reading "The Kugelmass Episode" yet? No, but thanks for reminding me. I believe it is readily available for reading online. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Richard Schultz at April 21, 2008, 3:22 am | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: : About a year ago I was severely chastized for saying, : without seeing it, that 'Last Action Hero' ripped off 'The : Purple Rose of Cairo'. Now I've seen it, as promised, : and can confidently say that it was indeed a rip-off. In my prior experience of reading your posts, there is little if any correlation between the confidence with which you express an opinion and the likelihood that that opinion bears any correspondence with what the rest of us like to call objective reality. By the way, have you gotten around to reading "The Kugelmass Episode" yet? ----- Richard Schultz schultr@mail.biu.ac.il Department of Chemistry, Bar-Ilan University, Ramat-Gan, Israel Opinions expressed are mine alone, and not those of Bar-Ilan University ----- "You don't even have a clue about which clue you're missing." | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at April 20, 2008, 11:12 am | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | Howard Brazee wrote: Quote:On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 19:37:46 -0700 (PDT), calvin crice5@windstream.net> wrote: But the idea is much, much older than _The Purple Rose of Cairo_. Is each iteration of the idea a rip-off of the previous one? Other than 'Sherlock, Jr.', which I've already mentioned being a dream of entering a movie, what other old ones do you have in mind? First, that counts. Second, books and plays count. And third, the variations of something not alive coming to life are large. Examples can be as old as _Pygmalian_ (The original) or variations such as _Night Life of the Gods_. And the idea of cartoon characters entering the real world, and vice versa. It's a stretch to see it's a RIP-OFF. If anything, it's a variation on a theme. --
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| Posted by: David Oberman at April 18, 2008, 10:19 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | calvin wrote: Quote:I have two books of her collected reviews, 'Reeling' and 'Deeper Into Movies', but neither covers the era of 'Purple Rose'. It's in STATE OF THE ART. I'll post it when I get the chance. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Kingo Gondo at April 18, 2008, 9:48 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | "calvin" wrote: Quote:So, no documentation? What a disappointment. Here I was expecting footnotes and shit, and what do I get? Another Calvin pity party. The first hostility was yours, following your ridicule. It's always funny how the aggressor mocks the aggressee. Do you make yelping noises after you kick puppies? Reply: Do you have any documentation on me kicking puppies? And, frankly, it is weird that you lump yourself in with immature canines. You are a funny dude, calvin. But not in a good way. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Kingo Gondo at April 18, 2008, 9:21 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | "calvin" wrote: Quote:"calvin" wrote: On Apr 18, 2:20 pm, "Kingo Gondo" wrote: ... I think it is a bit much to call it a rip-off, since the tone and intent are vastly different ... Actually, the tone and intent are not vastly different, and I will document that later. But even if they were vastly different I think it is a bit much to say that the words 'rip-off' can't apply unless the tone and intent are similar. OK, calvin, we will all eagerly await your documentation. Jesus.... I get the sarcasm, but not the 'Jesus'. I take back my promise, which is now null and void. Make of that what you like. I just think that 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' is one of the half-dozen best movies I've seen. 'Last Action Hero' is only a sometimes amusing diversion, totally forgettable. 'Purple Rose' is movie magic. 'Action Hero' is a movie about magic. Big difference. But the idea of a character from each world (movie and real) spending time in the world of the other, was originated, as far as I know, by Woody Allen, and the jok... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Howard Brazee at April 18, 2008, 9:01 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:03:11 -0700 (PDT), calvin wrote: Quote:About a year ago I was severely chastized for saying, without seeing it, that 'Last Action Hero' ripped off 'The Purple Rose of Cairo'. But the idea is much, much older than _The Purple Rose of Cairo_. Is each iteration of the idea a rip-off of the previous one? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Kingo Gondo at April 18, 2008, 7:46 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | "Sean O'Hara" <seanohara@gmail.com> wrote in message news:66slmnF2m7k27U2@mid.individual.net... Quote:In the Year of the Earth Rat, the Great and Powerful calvin declared: About a year ago I was severely chastized for saying, without seeing it, that 'Last Action Hero' ripped off 'The Purple Rose of Cairo'. Now I've seen it, as promised, and can confidently say that it was indeed a rip-off. Though both 'Hero' and 'Rose' had something in common with 'Sherlock Jr.', they had much more in common with each other, and the Woody Allen movie came a few years before the Schwarzenegger movie. They certainly have similar premises, but I don't think that's enough to make it a rip-off, any more than "Galaxy Quest" is a rip-off of "The Three Amigos," or "Quick Change" is of "After Hours." -- Sean O'Hara <http://diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com Just hold tight--calvin's going to do some documenting. That will fix everything. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at April 18, 2008, 6:31 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | moviePig wrote: Quote:On Apr 18, 3:06 pm, calvin wrote: While LAH was still in theaters, I attended a video-business trade show where a representative of the Dove Foundation (censorship with a smile) assured me how much better the movie would've been if Arnold only hadn't spake the f-word... And when it came out--nervously scheduled one week *after* a certain much-hyped 1993 Steven Spielberg movie--one of THE all-time immortal pop-culture Ahnuld phrases of the late 80's/early 90's was born, out of Sony's damn-the-torpedoes marketing strategy in the pre-release interview junkets: "Oh, I heahd dose Spielbahg dinosahs were just tehbble...There's been all this hype, but everyone was walking out of the screenings, dey were so disappointed..." Either that famous interview line or the Burger King commercial became LAH's death-without-dignity epitaph, even for people who had never heard of the movie otherwise. Derek Janssen (and to top it all off, that NASA-ad stunt just seemed to fit) ejanss1@verizon.net | | Static Link |
| Posted by: calvin at April 18, 2008, 5:44 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On Apr 18, 11:19 pm, David Oberman wrote: Quote:calvin wrote: I have two books of her collected reviews, 'Reeling' and 'Deeper Into Movies', but neither covers the era of 'Purple Rose'. It's in STATE OF THE ART. I'll post it when I get the chance. Unless you can post it without keying it in, please don't bother. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: calvin at April 18, 2008, 5:21 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On Apr 18, 10:21 pm, "Kingo Gondo" wrote: Quote:So, no documentation? What a disappointment. Here I was expecting footnotes and shit, and what do I get? Another Calvin pity party. Okay, here's** your documentation:* http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.htmlres=9F0CE0D7103BF93BA25755C0A965958260 http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,307121,00.html http://groups.google.com/group/rec.arts.movies.reviews/msg/6d458b9860c3dd95 http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articleAID=/19930618/REVIEWS/306180301/1023 http://www.washingtonpost.com/wpsrv/style/longterm/movies/videos/lastactionheropg13hinson_a0a829.htm * In each case, read down far enough, and 'Purple Rose' will be mentioned. ** If the 2-line links don't work, just Google*** the two movie titles together. *** and there are many more examples | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Kingo Gondo at April 18, 2008, 5:19 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | "calvin" wrote: Quote:... I think it is a bit much to call it a rip-off, since the tone and intent are vastly different ... Actually, the tone and intent are not vastly different, and I will document that later. But even if they were vastly different I think it is a bit much to say that the words 'rip-off' can't apply unless the tone and intent are similar. Reply: OK, calvin, we will all eagerly await your documentation. Jesus.... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: calvin at April 18, 2008, 4:42 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On Apr 18, 10:21 pm, "Kingo Gondo" wrote: Quote:So, no documentation? What a disappointment. Here I was expecting footnotes and shit, and what do I get? Another Calvin pity party. The first hostility was yours, following your ridicule. It's always funny how the aggressor mocks the aggressee. Do you make yelping noises after you kick puppies? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: calvin at April 18, 2008, 4:38 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On Apr 18, 10:02 pm, David Oberman wrote: Quote:calvin wrote: I just think that 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' is one of the half-dozen best movies I've seen. Did you ever read P. Kael's review of it? She loved it! I have two books of her collected reviews, 'Reeling' and 'Deeper Into Movies', but neither covers the era of 'Purple Rose'. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: calvin at April 18, 2008, 4:37 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On Apr 18, 10:01 pm, Howard Brazee wrote: Quote:On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:03:11 -0700 (PDT), calvin cri...@windstream.net> wrote: About a year ago I was severely chastized for saying, without seeing it, that 'Last Action Hero' ripped off 'The Purple Rose of Cairo'. But the idea is much, much older than _The Purple Rose of Cairo_. Is each iteration of the idea a rip-off of the previous one? Other than 'Sherlock, Jr.', which I've already mentioned being a dream of entering a movie, what other old ones do you have in mind? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: calvin at April 18, 2008, 3:30 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On Apr 18, 6:19 pm, "Kingo Gondo" wrote: Quote:"calvin" wrote: On Apr 18, 2:20 pm, "Kingo Gondo" wrote: ... I think it is a bit much to call it a rip-off, since the tone and intent are vastly different ... Actually, the tone and intent are not vastly different, and I will document that later. But even if they were vastly different I think it is a bit much to say that the words 'rip-off' can't apply unless the tone and intent are similar. OK, calvin, we will all eagerly await your documentation. Jesus.... I get the sarcasm, but not the 'Jesus'. I take back my promise, which is now null and void. Make of that what you like. I just think that 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' is one of the half-dozen best movies I've seen. 'Last Action Hero' is only a sometimes amusing diversion, totally forgettable. 'Purple Rose' is movie magic. 'Action Hero' is a movie about magic. Big difference. But the idea of a character from each world (movie and real) spending time in the world of the other, was originated, as far as I know, b... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Guest at April 18, 2008, 2:59 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On 18 abr, 20:20, "Kingo Gondo" wrote: Quote:"calvin" <cri...@windstream.net> wrote in message news:698b35ec-010f-4b83-8af5-a0dda6aaab4a@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... About a year ago I was severely chastized for saying, without seeing it, that 'Last Action Hero' ripped off 'The Purple Rose of Cairo'. Now I've seen it, as promised, and can confidently say that it was indeed a rip-off. Though both 'Hero' and 'Rose' had something in common with 'Sherlock Jr.', they had much more in common with each other, and the Woody Allen movie came a few years before the Schwarzenegger movie. 'Sherlock Jr.' had only a one-way dream sequence. Both of these movies had two-way travel into and out of the movie world, and had some similar jokes and situations, as well as strong resonance throughout the later one with the former one. Unfortunately 'Last Action Hero' failed to acknowledge its debt to 'Purple Rose', though it did credit its use of scenes from 'The Seventh Seal' and Olivier's 'Hamlet'. This is not to say I d... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: calvin at April 18, 2008, 2:49 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On Apr 18, 8:46 pm, "Kingo Gondo" wrote: Quote:Just hold tight--calvin's going to do some documenting. That will fix everything. I meant I would give examples to support my view. 'Documentation' was the wrong word, since it implied providing other sources, which I never intended to imply. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Kingo Gondo at April 18, 2008, 1:20 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | "calvin" <crice5@windstream.net> wrote in message news:698b35ec-010f-4b83-8af5-a0dda6aaab4a@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... Quote:About a year ago I was severely chastized for saying, without seeing it, that 'Last Action Hero' ripped off 'The Purple Rose of Cairo'. Now I've seen it, as promised, and can confidently say that it was indeed a rip-off. Though both 'Hero' and 'Rose' had something in common with 'Sherlock Jr.', they had much more in common with each other, and the Woody Allen movie came a few years before the Schwarzenegger movie. 'Sherlock Jr.' had only a one-way dream sequence. Both of these movies had two-way travel into and out of the movie world, and had some similar jokes and situations, as well as strong resonance throughout the later one with the former one. Unfortunately 'Last Action Hero' failed to acknowledge its debt to 'Purple Rose', though it did credit its use of scenes from 'The Seventh Seal' and Olivier's 'Hamlet'. This is not to say I didn't like 'Last Action Hero'. Many asp... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at April 18, 2008, 12:08 pm | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On Apr 18, 3:06 pm, calvin wrote: Quote:On Apr 18, 2:20 pm, "Kingo Gondo" <kingo_nospam_go...@gmail.com wrote: ... I think it is a bit much to call it a rip-off, since the tone and intent are vastly different ... Actually, the tone and intent are not vastly different, and I will document that later. But even if they were vastly different I think it is a bit much to say that the words 'rip-off' can't apply unless the tone and intent are similar. Now, I'm off to see 'Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed', mine being a red state and all. (Will the theater let you in?) While LAH was still in theaters, I attended a video-business trade show where a representative of the Dove Foundation (censorship with a smile) assured me how much better the movie would've been if Arnold only hadn't spake the f-word... -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: calvin at April 18, 2008, 9:06 am | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | On Apr 18, 2:20 pm, "Kingo Gondo" wrote: Quote:... I think it is a bit much to call it a rip-off, since the tone and intent are vastly different ... Actually, the tone and intent are not vastly different, and I will document that later. But even if they were vastly different I think it is a bit much to say that the words 'rip-off' can't apply unless the tone and intent are similar. Now, I'm off to see 'Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed', mine being a red state and all. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: calvin at April 18, 2008, 8:03 am | | Topic: 'Last Action Hero' vs. 'The Purple Rose of Cairo' Forum: groupsrv | | About a year ago I was severely chastized for saying, without seeing it, that 'Last Action Hero' ripped off 'The Purple Rose of Cairo'. Now I've seen it, as promised, and can confidently say that it was indeed a rip-off. Though both 'Hero' and 'Rose' had something in common with 'Sherlock Jr.', they had much more in common with each other, and the Woody Allen movie came a few years before the Schwarzenegger movie. 'Sherlock Jr.' had only a one-way dream sequence. Both of these movies had two-way travel into and out of the movie world, and had some similar jokes and situations, as well as strong resonance throughout the later one with the former one. Unfortunately 'Last Action Hero' failed to acknowledge its debt to 'Purple Rose', though it did credit its use of scenes from 'The Seventh Seal' and Olivier's 'Hamlet'. This is not to say I didn't like 'Last Action Hero'. Many aspects of it were quite enjoyable, though the over-the-top action was as boring as it always is in any movie. I loved the brief use of Moz... | | Read Entire Entry |
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