| Posted by: ELeCTrO at June 7, 2008, 3:41 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | celebrating with these galleries: natalie portman: across the stars http://www.sinemaestro.com/index.php...d=410&Itemid=1 natalie portman: fading like a flower
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| Posted by: Danger^Cart at April 21, 2008, 9:21 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | I enjoy her performance because it's an awesome movie, not because I'm a pederast. On another note, godamn do I wanna bang Hannah Montana. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Juliet Bravo at April 18, 2008, 6:28 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | eljefe, I understand what you're saying. Now I am reminded of a fleeting possibility of attraction between Juno and Jason Bateman's character, especially when they were dancing. That one seemed more platonic, but I can't say it hasn't crossed my mind while they were dancing. In Beautiful Girls, your proposal could also be another way of looking at it. I guess I am a little too wary of this issue to just accept something between a grown man and a young girl as nothing other than pure love. Damn pedos ruining everything for all of us. For instance, I distinctly remember my breasts having gotten in the way between my relationship with my dad. It changes things. So much so that physical affection becomes almost taboo between father and adolescent daughter. The reason I used the word "excessive" when pertaining to Hutton's character in Beautiful Girls was that he clearly demonstrated a competitive tendency towards the boy in question. A nerdy 13-year old boy we don't actually see in the film and yet aro... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: eljefe15 at April 18, 2008, 6:18 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Well so much has been said that I'm not sure if I'm actually adding anything to this discussion, but I'm writing something anyway. You asked how many people that are Leon fans were fans because they were attracted to Natalie and in turn had pedophile tendencies. Well, that question has no answer. How could you possibly know that? And even if you did an anonymous poll, you wouldn't get a good result because that sort of thing is such an abohrration to the majority of people that even if it was true for them, it would be difficult to be truthful to even themselves. I really liked that movie when I first saw it and I still do. I didn't see the relationship with Leon and Matilda as anything other that a traumatized girl having a crush on a father figure that saved her life. I mean, young people have crushes on older people to, it's not just the other way around. You see young people, boys and girls, have crushes on their teachers and such. Yes there might be some kind of sexual attraction, or at least a pre-teen... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Juliet Bravo at April 18, 2008, 5:57 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by auge_28 Perhaps I want to blame my behavior on something, you guys get PMS . . . But seriously . . . your last post is a good argument, there is nothing conclusive about the effect hormones have on behavior . . . this just happens to fit best in my world view, so I champion it. You should talk to my girlfriend, then. She is an avid supporter of environmental theories to explain behavior. A lot of what she says make sense. If you can see a lot of the answers via anamnesis, why dig deeper (i.e. genetics, hormones, brain mass, gyri, sulci, etc?). | | Static Link |
| Posted by: auge_28 at April 18, 2008, 5:48 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Juliet Bravo Oh, and I don't know you very well, auge, so excuse my denseness if you were being sarcastic. If not...thanks for the discussion. Don't worry, I get that a lot. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: auge_28 at April 18, 2008, 5:47 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Juliet Bravo Mmmmm, auge...you indulge me too much. My point about the hormones is that it's but a part of the whole complexity comprising human behavior. Things that go hand in hand can still be chicken and egg. Years and years of research and not once was any scientist able to directly demonstrate the role of hormones in a certain type of behavior. If they start out with such a simple premise, the result should be that simple as well. For instance, you say that levels of hormones fluctuate constantly. But so do many other things. Why single testosterone out? What makes it particularly special? I have yet to see anything special about its biochemical composition that would directly imply it exerts some kind of effect on behavior. Perhaps I want to blame my behavior on something, you guys get PMS . . . But seriously . . . your last post is a good argument, there is nothing conclusive about the effect hormones have on behavior . . . this just happens to fit best in my world view, s... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Juliet Bravo at April 18, 2008, 5:42 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Oh, and I don't know you very well, auge, so excuse my denseness if you were being sarcastic. If not...thanks for the discussion. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Juliet Bravo at April 18, 2008, 5:37 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Mmmmm, auge...you indulge me too much. My point about the hormones is that it's but a part of the whole complexity comprising human behavior. Things that go hand in hand can still be chicken and egg. Years and years of research and not once was any scientist able to directly demonstrate the role of hormones in a certain type of behavior. If they start out with such a simple premise, the result should be that simple as well. For instance, you say that levels of hormones fluctuate constantly. But so do many other things. Why single testosterone out? What makes it particularly special? I have yet to see anything special about its biochemical composition that would directly imply it exerts some kind of effect on behavior. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: auge_28 at April 18, 2008, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Juliet Bravo No, no. I am not confusing it because I am not talking about crime. I am talking about that blurry line between what makes a man into young women or young girls. There are a lot of underage girls in lolita porn, much more than we know about, I wouldn't go there because it's not my main issue. I think we covered why a person is sexually attracted to children. As far as underaged porn, I thought we were talking legal porn . . . illegal porn is another subject don't you think? Quote: Originally Posted by Juliet Bravo Oh, we're on the same page about it. What I am saying is that even if the more normal desire to protect mutated into a confused mish-mash of sexual desire and possession, the desire to protect is still there...but took a backseat to the more pathological tendencies. I am saying for some males, these things come from the same place. The hormone/brain wire thing. Quote: Originally Posted by Juliet Bravo Hormones and behavior. Tricky area. I actually did a lot ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Juliet Bravo at April 18, 2008, 5:08 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by auge_28 If I may speak for Juliet Bravo: She is not reacting to Leon, this film was simply a catalyst that got her thinking about what really bugs her . . . adults that are sexually attracted to children. Yep. Once the crime has been committed, okay, lock the lecherous wolf in jail and throw away the key. But what about the subclinical pedophiles we don't know about? Are they aware of it? Are we aware of them? How do we know how much they actually contribute to the cycle of predator-victim? I mean, you know. Just thinking. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Juliet Bravo at April 18, 2008, 5:06 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | Quote: Originally Posted by auge_28 Teen porn and lolita porn is not underage porn . . . but it feeds the desire for underage porn . . . so does barely legal porn.
Do not confuse child porn with 18 year olds dressed up to look younger . . . this is not criminal. No, no. I am not confusing it because I am not talking about crime. I am talking about that blurry line between what makes a man into young women or young girls. There are a lot of underage girls in lolita porn, much more than we know about, I wouldn't go there because it's not my main issue. Quote: In my last post I did not mean to say that these pedophiles feel protective of there victims . . . I mean that the sexual attraction they feel for these kids comes from the same emotional place that we all have when we see babies. Normal people are attracted to kids in a way that makes us want to keep them safe, nurture and feed them.
In pedophiles brains these healthy emotions get confused with sexual desire emotions and they can't or don't sepa... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: auge_28 at April 18, 2008, 4:27 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen If people react that way to Leon I can't imagine how people are going to react to Towelhead. If I may speak for Juliet Bravo: She is not reacting to Leon, this film was simply a catalyst that got her thinking about what really bugs her . . . adults that are sexually attracted to children. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: auge_28 at April 18, 2008, 4:23 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | Quote: Originally Posted by Juliet Bravo Take "teen porn" and "lolita porn" as well as these countdowns until underage girls become 18 and legal as examples. Although maybe there is somewhat of a protective element in what they feel for these girls, the predominant sensation is that of the desire to possess, to control. Nabokov's Humbert planned everything in his life in order to ensure that he had complete control over Lolita. Although the nurturing aspect might have existed, it definitely took the back seat to power and control. What eludes me is what exactly it is about Lolita that attracted someone like Humbert so much? He was supposed to have been handsome and educated, quite the catch for women his age. In fact, Lolita's mother thought exactly this. Why the pathological attraction to Lolita? It was self-destructive and disturbing. Teen porn and lolita porn is not underage porn . . . but it feeds the desire for underage porn . . . so does barely legal porn.
Do not confuse child p... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Juliet Bravo at April 18, 2008, 3:27 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | I tend to think it's a little bit more than that. I would again go back to Nabokov's Lolita because it's familiar to many people and its central theme is still highly applicable to today's society. Take "teen porn" and "lolita porn" as well as these countdowns until underage girls become 18 and legal as examples. Although maybe there is somewhat of a protective element in what they feel for these girls, the predominant sensation is that of the desire to possess, to control. Nabokov's Humbert planned everything in his life in order to ensure that he had complete control over Lolita. Although the nurturing aspect might have existed, it definitely took the back seat to power and control. What eludes me is what exactly it is about Lolita that attracted someone like Humbert so much? He was supposed to have been handsome and educated, quite the catch for women his age. In fact, Lolita's mother thought exactly this. Why the pathological attraction to Lolita? It was self-destructive and disturbin... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: auge_28 at April 18, 2008, 2:56 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Juliet Bravo Mmm hmm. Good points. We live in a culture where Lolita porn is rather popular. It would be interesting to do a paper on movie culture and its subliminal messages regarding sexual attraction to underage girls. I haven't come across any research on that, but then I haven't thought about it until now. I read somewhere that adults are attracted to the young (not sexually) in order to nurture and care for them. This is why we are attracted to babies of other species . . . we think kittens, puppies and other babies are cute with there tiny hands and big eyes, and other traits that most young mammals share. But for some the wiring gets mixed up and those attractions are turned sexual. Especially when the young person is maturing and starts showing a mixture of baby and adult traits. This attraction confuses some folks and if they do not get a handle on it they make inappropriate decisions. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Juliet Bravo at April 18, 2008, 2:30 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Mmm hmm. Good points. We live in a culture where Lolita porn is rather popular. It would be interesting to do a paper on movie culture and its subliminal messages regarding sexual attraction to underage girls. I haven't come across any research on that, but then I haven't thought about it until now. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: auge_28 at April 18, 2008, 1:55 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | Quote: Originally Posted by Juliet Bravo Point taken. I should have phrased it better. I guess the real question in my mind is: "How many self-proclaimed fans of Leon were sexually attracted to Natalie Portman's character and hence, have pedophilic tendencies?" Unfortunately this is another question we can't answer. I think you want to talk about: - The men that got turned on by a twelve-year-old girl and feel justified because she showed an inappropriate sexual awareness. - The fact that Mathilda probably shares this trait with thousands of abused little girls . . . and just because a little girl has interest in sex or adult relationships does not give license to anybody to be lecherous. - How about all those "countdown" clocks for Natalie Portman, Emma Watson, the Olsen twins, Hayden Panettiere and so on. Now let me ask you a question: Is there a crime were you have no victim?
The countdown clocks and being turned on by these kids are morally reprehensible . . . but not illegal.
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| Posted by: Juliet Bravo at April 18, 2008, 12:02 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Point taken. I should have phrased it better. I guess the real question in my mind is: "How many self-proclaimed fans of Leon were sexually attracted to Natalie Portman's character and hence, have pedophilic tendencies?" I guess I oversensationalized the thread a little. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: auge_28 at April 18, 2008, 11:41 am | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Juliet Bravo Maybe I wasn't clear. I specifically refer to adult males who absolutely loved Natalie Portman in Leon. Of course, if it's nothing sexual, then it's not even worth mentioning. I just put two and two together because she said that after Leon was released, she got a lot of love letters from adult men (disturbing and sexual, according to her). I don't see how your analogy even applies. In all fairness your post said: Quote: Originally Posted by Juliet Bravo I remember her saying that she got a lot of pedophilic fan mail after she did Leon the Professional. Which brings me to the question: Do people who declare Leon as their all-time Natalie Portman favorite have "pedophilic tendencies?" I am an adult male, I loved her work in Leon . . . she was what made the film the great story it was . . . without her it would be just another bad guy/badder guy film. She added depth to the story and her performance was great . . . So you can say that I "absolutely loved ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Juliet Bravo at April 18, 2008, 11:14 am | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Roy L Dennis and fans of Marilyn Monroe are necrophiliacs Maybe I wasn't clear. I specifically refer to adult males who absolutely loved Natalie Portman in Leon. Of course, if it's nothing sexual, then it's not even worth mentioning. I just put two and two together because she said that after Leon was released, she got a lot of love letters from adult men (disturbing and sexual, according to her). I don't see how your analogy even applies. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Juliet Bravo at April 18, 2008, 11:08 am | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by echo_bravo I think the "pedophile" tendencies is legit cause Natalie Portman puts on a shockingly sexual performance/role. She smokes, talks about sex and dresses provocatively for a very young age. It kinda made me uncomfortable like what the hell were her parents thinking? But she turned out alright. And Juliet, I have never seen or heard of Beautiful Girls. Is it good? And what makes it so disturbing if you dont mind me askin? Need to rent that one now! What DrJellyFingers said. Beautiful Girls provides a little insight as to what goes on in some people's heads when they throw away a seemingly good thing (i.e. loving wife or girlfriend) for something as shallow as sex or beauty. Its themes revolve around a group of friends and how they behave "stupidly" when a drop-dead gorgeous woman walks in the room. Like they forget everything else. Most of the characters also have some unresolved issues dating as far back as high school. Other themes include infidelity,... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DrJellyfingers at April 18, 2008, 7:38 am | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by echo_bravo I think the "pedophile" tendencies is legit cause Natalie Portman puts on a shockingly sexual performance/role. She smokes, talks about sex and dresses provocatively for a very young age. It kinda made me uncomfortable like what the hell were her parents thinking? But she turned out alright. And Juliet, I have never seen or heard of Beautiful Girls. Is it good? And what makes it so disturbing if you dont mind me askin? Need to rent that one now! you never heard of Beautiful Girls? you should check it out. it has Uma, Matt Dillon, Mira Sorvino, a lot famous people in it actually. disturbing because a 30something year old has an infatuation with Natalie's character who is like 13. but never crosses the line or anything | | Static Link |
| Posted by: God of War at April 18, 2008, 5:51 am | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Buck Turgidson So do I, and yours is pretty damn cool, too. All three wolf-werewolf films that were out around then (AWIL, Wolfen and The Howling) were solid productions. Thank you, sir. As you know I make all my own avatars from scratch. I always loved that bit, loved the movie. And thanks for reminding me of Wolfen. It's been forever since I last saw that film. A seemingly unknown film to many people. To tell you the truth, I have never seen it on dvd over here. Only on VHS Video. The Howling is great. A Dante classic. Pity about most/all of the sequels? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Buck Turgidson at April 18, 2008, 5:19 am | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by God of War By the way, RED. Love your new av. Big red hulk. So do I, and yours is pretty damn cool, too. All three wolf-werewolf films that were out around then (AWIL, Wolfen and The Howling) were solid productions. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: God of War at April 18, 2008, 5:10 am | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by bigred760 It probably is my favorite movie with Natalie Portman, but she's not the main reason I love the movie. It's a kickass movie with a great hero, a kickass villain, and a great performance by Natalie Portman. Nicely put..very nice. And I wholeheartedly agree. Which reminds me, I MUST pickup Leon the extended cut on dvd. Been meaning to for a long time now. By the way, RED. Love your new av. Big red hulk. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: echo_bravo at April 17, 2008, 11:03 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | I think the "pedophile" tendencies is legit cause Natalie Portman puts on a shockingly sexual performance/role. She smokes, talks about sex and dresses provocatively for a very young age. It kinda made me uncomfortable like what the hell were her parents thinking? But she turned out alright. And Juliet, I have never seen or heard of Beautiful Girls. Is it good? And what makes it so disturbing if you dont mind me askin? Need to rent that one now! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: bigred760 at April 17, 2008, 9:48 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | It probably is my favorite movie with Natalie Portman, but she's not the main reason I love the movie. It's a kickass movie with a great hero, a kickass villain, and a great performance by Natalie Portman. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: DaMovieMan at April 17, 2008, 5:54 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Great film with amazing performances, I agree about Oldman, he steals the show but Natalie is excellent too. I am not a pedophile though. She is hot now, back then she was a kid. That's it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: auge_28 at April 17, 2008, 5:25 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | I do not think that lumping everybody that enjoyed her performance into that category is appropriate. She did a great job in the film . . . The best of all her films. But if you label her fans of that movie as pedophiles than you must do the same for fans of Taxi Driver, Lolita, American Beauty and a whole list of other great films. Just because a film explores a subject and fans like a performance does not mean that they are lecherous. Juno had two kids having sex and an adult that wanted to "get" with a 16 year old kid . . . why aren't folks asking the same question about this film? At least in Leon, Leon did nothing inappropriate sexually . . . unlike the guy in Juno. We could probably make a list of 100 films that fit the same category. I would be terribly offended, if somebody said this about me. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Tweek at April 17, 2008, 1:53 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | It's not one of my all time favorites...It's up there. But why would that mean pedophilic tendencies? It IS a good movie. I am not doubting that there are those with pedophilic intentions. But I ain't one of 'em. Plus she's three years older than me anyway. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Shockwave at April 17, 2008, 1:44 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Heh. Shes about the same age i am exactly, and while i think shes hot NOW, back then she was just a kid and did nothing for me at all. Still doesnt. Never will. I just thought it was an outstanding movie with an outstanding cast. Gary Oldman rocked that movie. LEON is still my favorite film of hers(the ending still kinda gets me..), but GARDEN STATE and V for VENDETTA both kicked ass as well, and had brilliant performances. Shes turned into a very attractive person with alot of talent. I heard she was stopping making movies after the STAR WARS prequels were over. Im glad she decided to keep on going. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Juliet Bravo at April 17, 2008, 1:35 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by echo_bravo That movie was pretty disturbing. Just knowing how young she was...yikes! My favorite film of hers is Closer. She did another one that was a bit disturbing: Beautiful Girls. Remember that one? That was also a bit yikes. Ditto about Closer. I have Goya's Ghosts. I have to get around to watching it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Juliet Bravo at April 17, 2008, 1:23 pm | | Topic: Fans of Natalie Portman in Leon Forum: JoBlo | | I remember her saying that she got a lot of pedophilic fan mail after she did Leon the Professional. Which brings me to the question: Do people who declare Leon as their all-time Natalie Portman favorite have "pedophilic tendencies?" | | Static Link |
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