| Posted by: spacemonkey at May 2, 2008, 8:16 am | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Scarface98.9 Honestly, I don't see it as a masterpiece. I've never really gotten into Gilliam's "wacky" style and feel that it often takes away from the movie moreso than helps. Brazil is an example of it and is also a movie I can just never get through in one sitting. My opinion on this is that Gilliams "wacky" style was perfect for this movie in which there is complete chaos and disorder in the world. It is a very big and complex film, so I dont blame anyone for not being able to watch it on one sitting. Ive had to watch it in parts myself, but every time I watch it I enjoy it inmensely. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: jdparker at April 30, 2008, 6:05 pm | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Scarface98.9 I got it as a birthday present though I hadn't seen it. I heard it was great and had my aunt get it sight unseen for me Ahhhh... fair enough. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Scarface98.9 at April 29, 2008, 9:41 pm | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by jdparker Just curious, why'd you drop the coin on a movie you find boring? I got it as a birthday present though I hadn't seen it. I heard it was great and had my aunt get it sight unseen for me | | Static Link |
| Posted by: jdparker at April 29, 2008, 9:09 am | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Scarface98.9 I have it on Criterion, so I know I've seen the intended version. Just curious, why'd you drop the coin on a movie you find boring? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Scarface98.9 at April 29, 2008, 2:26 am | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Honestly, I don't see it as a masterpiece. I've never really gotten into Gilliam's "wacky" style and feel that it often takes away from the movie moreso than helps. Brazil is an example of it and is also a movie I can just never get through in one sitting. I always fall asleep half way through out of somewhat boredom but also restlessness. I have it on Criterion, so I know I've seen the intended version. I'm just not a fan of it | | Static Link |
| Posted by: BubbaStrangelove at April 26, 2008, 1:15 am | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Potzer! 37 The Brazil collection is amazing and if you like Fear and Loathing and Hunter Thompson, the criterion collection can't be beat...I could see some people not liking the Fear and Loathing collection because there is a lot on there not directly related to the film, but to Hunter and his life, which I find fasinating. Goodfellas is Goodfellas...wondeful film and the commentary is cool...pick them up...save for a bit and buy them...Heck, goodfellas isn't all that expensive anymore. It just happened that those 4 movies were among the first I got on DVD, before the super editions were available, or before I knew about them. That Goodfellas DVD is really bad for such a great movie. Having to flip the disc over mid-film is a cinematic nightmare. I'm a huge Hunter Thompson fan, having read most everything I've been able to get my hands on. It's almost staggering that I haven't gotten that Criterion yet. Behind Goodfellas, that'd be number 2 for me to replace. Quote: Originally Po... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: jdparker at April 25, 2008, 9:40 pm | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | I just watched it for the first time recently and enjoyed it, though I admit it was a lot to take in. I'll be ready for a second watching soon, I know there is more there that I missed. One thing about Brazil: it is fucking HILARIOUS. I don't know why but I didn't expect it to be nearly as funny as it was. I mean... Gilliam's a former Python and all, it makes sense. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Potzer! 37 at April 25, 2008, 9:38 pm | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | The Brazil collection is amazing and if you like Fear and Loathing and Hunter Thompson, the criterion collection can't be beat...I could see some people not liking the Fear and Loathing collection because there is a lot on there not directly related to the film, but to Hunter and his life, which I find fasinating. Goodfellas is Goodfellas...wondeful film and the commentary is cool...pick them up...save for a bit and buy them...Heck, goodfellas isn't all that expensive anymore. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: BubbaStrangelove at April 25, 2008, 9:09 pm | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Damn, I need to get that special edition. I've heard very little about everything behind the movie aside from the multiple ending issue and some of the differences in the versions. This, 12 Monkeys, and Fear and Loathing are only 3 of 4 films I have on DVD, (the other being Goodfellas that you have to flip over in the middle...) that I would jump on a chance to replace with a better version. I never do that with movies, but these movies I feel like I genuinely am missing out on by not having the Collectors or Criterion editions --- It's kind of neat that 3 out of the 4 are Gilliam films. If not for the Goodfellas disc being so annoying, I wouldn't bother, but will the 3 Gilliam's I want just to hear the madman speak. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Potzer! 37 at April 25, 2008, 9:08 pm | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by BubbaStrangelove Oh, it's definitely sad, but one of the things I love about this movie is how Gilliam makes it ironic and so (I don't like using this word) off-beat. That image of Palin looking over him with the mask, the words spoken, and Sams derranged face... While sad, the fantasy undertones of the movie take a lot of the usual impact you'd get from that situation and makes something more unique. In some ways, you can also look at Lowry's fate as being somewhat an improvement over his previous existence. He finally escaped, but just not in the way we hoped. Gilliam did the same way in how he portrayed homelessness in The Fisher King. He showed the fantasy of it in a way you really didn't expect. I agree with a lot of that....Gilliam even said at one point how important his ending was, that insanity, as sad as it seems, is the happiest ending possible for Sam. He gets to stay in his fantasy and Gilliam mentions on the commentary the importance of his final smile and how a true... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: BubbaStrangelove at April 25, 2008, 8:43 pm | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Oh, it's definitely sad, but one of the things I love about this movie is how Gilliam makes it ironic and so (I don't like using this word) off-beat. That image of Palin looking over him with the mask, the words spoken, and Sams derranged face... While sad, the fantasy undertones of the movie take a lot of the usual impact you'd get from that situation and makes something more unique. In some ways, you can also look at Lowry's fate as being somewhat an improvement over his previous existence. He finally escaped, but just not in the way we hoped. Gilliam did the same way in how he portrayed homelessness in The Fisher King. He showed the fantasy of it in a way you really didn't expect. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Potzer! 37 at April 25, 2008, 7:04 pm | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | I've seen the "right" ending...from thre three disc collectors set...I saw the happy ending too, but that was as an excersise in how to ruin a film. Sam's final fantasy to me was always so sad, because I fell he (and Gilliam) earned it...but when it's smashed to bits and he is left in the interrogation room at the end, it fits perfectly with the them as well as his fantasies from before, which also ended badly...so yeah. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: BubbaStrangelove at April 25, 2008, 7:02 pm | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Actually, it depends on which ending you've seen. I've only ever seen one ending and one ending only, and it's not a happy one. The constant fantasy segments pretty much develop that Sam is prone to deep and farfetched visions when under a great deal of stress. We also see that at any instance within Sam's dreams, that what he fears is having 'Big Brother' slam down on him just before he's able to fully escape into happiness. For the ending I saw, these segments not only provide more insight into Sam and help with some irony later on, but also provide nice parallels with the overall storyline, bordering on predicting the future events in the film. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Potzer! 37 at April 25, 2008, 6:23 pm | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by BubbaStrangelove I figured but didn't want to just assume. When I first saw the film, although I really liked it, those segments felt out of place to me. The more I saw it though, the more I became comfortable with their place in the movie. It also quite nicely sets up the original ending. I'll explain that if you want me to. Please do...I'm always interested on peoples different takes on films like this. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AversionTherapy at April 25, 2008, 9:46 am | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by RicochetShaw Don't know where you stand on Brazil? A map and a compass may help. ouch! Anyway i dig this movie, its excellence in a box | | Static Link |
| Posted by: BubbaStrangelove at April 25, 2008, 9:07 am | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Potzer! 37 me? Yes...as well as the fight with the samuri giant. I figured but didn't want to just assume. When I first saw the film, although I really liked it, those segments felt out of place to me. The more I saw it though, the more I became comfortable with their place in the movie. It also quite nicely sets up the original ending. I'll explain that if you want me to. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Monotreme at April 25, 2008, 8:22 am | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Well, it's clearly an absolute masterpiece. Commenting on the fragile social unrest of our world today, with terrorists, bureaurocracy, a totalitarian government, a man whose dreams are restrained by the requirements of society for him to fit in his box... And besides that of course there is the absolutely INSANE production design and cinematography, plus Gilliam's Pythonesque sense of humour. It's just an absolutely outrageously good film, no doubt about it! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Potzer! 37 at April 25, 2008, 8:01 am | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by BubbaStrangelove Are you talking about the fantasy scenes where he has wings and is flying? me? Yes...as well as the fight with the samuri giant. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Potzer! 37 at April 25, 2008, 2:41 am | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | I love this film...all of it. I dig the cool dialogue and buraracy centric future and style and the contrast to the fantasies. Great characters and of course funny and scary at the same time. One of the best final shots ever in my mind... which version did you watch, as there are 5 in total. my reccomendation to you is to watch it again and decide if you like it or not. I did this with LA Confidential and loved it... Same with Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas sometimes movies need a little extra time and attention to figure them out (not just the plot and such, but, as you said, how you feel about it) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Pride at April 11, 2008, 9:13 pm | | Topic: I dont know where I stand on Brazil... Forum: JoBlo | | Not in terms of the story but whether I actually liked it or not. I know the general consensus is that its a masterpiece and I did appreciate the excellent art direction and themes throughout the movie, but I dont actually know if I fully enjoyed it or not. To me some parts were just too bogged down in trying to make this film too majestical and had unecessary parts and scenes. So what were your opinions on the film? Comments on the themes? | | Static Link |
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