| Posted by: Snoopy at July 21, 2008, 4:29 pm | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | I am surprised that people have a problem with the crystal skull/alien theme. The story stems from the real controversy and legends in the Aztec and Mesoamerican cultures on whether they are real or not, (man) made or not, and many stories of their supernatural powers, now how is that not Indy! I really did enjoy the movie and thought it was very entertaining, but also love to hear other peoples views even if I disagree | | Static Link |
| Posted by: EliotNess at July 6, 2008, 9:50 pm | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | I wonder if it was just too many cooks in the pot, too much at stake, or what, but the flick was all over the place. It felt more like The Mummy than Indiana. I watched Temple of Doom after seeing Indy IV to see if I'm just older and cynical, but I liked Doom way more than IV, even admitting that Doom was the weakest of the original three. There were the same elements of crazy escapes, unlikely leaps and falls, and random comedic bits, but they held together way more than anything in IV. Every scene felt like it was from a different movie, like it was starting over again every time. And there was a lot of building up to things that didn't happen...I kept waiting for the ride to start. And the CGI...you could just FEEL the actors standing next to a green screen. Someone posted earlier about Mac's character, his inconsistency, and the lack of need for him at all--couldn't agree more, his changes of heart were pointless and empty, and all he did was confuse matters. I did buy the Karen Allen return, and thought... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Gosse de Route at June 12, 2008, 6:32 pm | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | I love Spielberg but his days of the blockbuster are over. His style of filmmaking has changed since the original Indy movies and I'm not sure why Lucas is unable to write screenplays the way he did in his younger years. Indy 4 is far from the originals and doesn't remind me of the Republic serials at all. Blockbusters were once about extraordinary subjects and showed you dazzling filmmaking but now it seems the only extraordinary subjects they can bring are sequals, prequals, and remakes. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at June 7, 2008, 4:11 pm | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by Dog Welder) Gracias! Believe it or not, I found this site off Rotten Tomatoes after Josh gave Dungeon Siege a positive review. I had to at least read the rationale behind that one. Anyway...I do hope to be around for quite awhile. Welcome to CB Dog Welder! I cannot believe ANYTHING good came of me giving Dungeon Siege a positive review. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Dog Welder at June 7, 2008, 4:00 pm | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | Gracias! Believe it or not, I found this site off Rotten Tomatoes after Josh gave Dungeon Siege a positive review. I had to at least read the rationale behind that one. Anyway...I do hope to be around for quite awhile. I was actually worried a travesty like Indy 4 was going to happen, but I didn't comprehend exactly how bad it was going to be. When Darabont's script got rejected by Lucas (I'd love to get my hands on a copy of that) and then Lucas came up with the story, I was immediately worried. When I saw Koepp's name in the opening credits, my reaction was, "Oh, crap!" Lucas hasn't come up with a good story in about 30 years, and the few credible movies that Koepp has penned you can probably point to the director (Fincher, Raimi, etc.) for rescuing it. I hate to say this, but I think Spielberg's days of great blockbusters are over, too, especially if he continues to direct pap like "Crystal Skull" and "War of the Worlds." He's been very hit-or-miss since "Saving Private Ryan" (the last truly great movie h... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dog Welder at June 6, 2008, 6:07 pm | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | Been lurking for quite awhile, and having just seen Indy 4 last night, I thought it a good time to get involved and weigh in. First off, I thought Josh's review was way too generous. Not only was this a bad Indy movie, this was just flat out a bad movie. Here there be spoilers too numerous to use the spoiler tag (consider yourself warned): The Good:
--Karen Allen returned, though it didn't seem like she did much.
--I liked Kate Blanchett's character.
--I liked seeing the Ark in the warehouse in the beginning.
--No Kate Capshaw.
--The Young Indiana Jones reference. The Bad:
--"Mac" was a poorly written character that could have been completely left out. I'm really not sure why Indy continued to trust him over and over and over again when Mac was so quick to betray him over and over and over again.
--Aliens. It's been discussed above and I won't really add more too it. Just not a good choice for an Indy film.
--While I understand that an Indy film is going to have a few roll-you... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Cup of Jabba at June 2, 2008, 10:07 am | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by 7therror) I liked it. It is just what any of the other Indy movies were. Which is a popcorn flick. As you know there is a tone that is set for every movie. Now this certain tone or mood may or may not work for everyone. I know they had always pushed the boundaries of physics and challenged our imaginations in Indiana Jones. However, in my view...this wasn't a popcorn flick where I could turn my brain off and just have fun. It simply insulted my intelligence at every turn and then rubbed my face in the fact that it was crazy and bizarre to boot. Quote: Originally Posted by 7therror) And the alien thing come on I mean seriously anyone who is upset with the fact it dealt with aliens isn't really that observant. The hangar they go to in the first two minutes of the movie is in Nevada and called Hangar 51. Jesus if that wasn't a big clue how about the damn skull, I mean duh. Hello McFly. Okay. Your implying I didn't catch the little clues they had placed in the beginning of the movie a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: 7therror at June 1, 2008, 10:08 pm | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | I liked it. It is just what any of the other Indy movies were. Which is a popcorn flick. And the alien thing come on I mean seriously anyone who is upset with the fact it dealt with aliens isn't really that observant. The hangar they go to in the first two minutes of the movie is in Nevada and called Hangar 51. Jesus if that wasn't a big clue how about the damn skull, I mean duh. Hello McFly. My biggest beef about the movie is the people that complain about aliens. Who really gives a rat's a$$. You can accept aliens in Star Wars but in Indiana Jones; oh hell no. If I come off as harsh oh well you'll get over it. I give this an E. For "entertaining" as hell. Just my opinion but hey I could be wrong. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Cup of Jabba at June 1, 2008, 9:49 pm | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | There is no other way to say it. Indian Jones 4 was aweful!!! 1. The Action was mildly entertaining and it seemed like it was going thru the same old motions. 2. The Alien Plot Line was not only improperly explained...but was just plain stupid to begin with. 3. The Scene were Doctor Jones takes a ride in a refridgerator to avoid a nuclear blast was really awkward. Okay. I am not arguing that it is not possible. However, it just really seemed like I was watching another movie for a moment. It completely felt out of place. 4. Pretty much every character acted like a complete retard in this film. There was no chemistry between the actors or characters in any way. 5. Shia's character was poorly written, too. In fact, if they wanted a character that was going to take over the reigns of Indy...then they should have at least made his character a bit more intelligent and well learned to begin with. Shia's character just came off as blithering idiot through out the entire film. 6. Oh, and if Lucas creates another cut... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Bordick at May 30, 2008, 2:46 am | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | I found it wierd. Not good, not bad, but wierd. Mostly because it kind of negated a little bit of what made the previous trilogy great. Those delt with realistic human historical stuff with some supernatural ability. Where as the whole alien thing was a bit odd. Also, each prior chapter really had no mention of other chapters except for one little snarky comment in Crusade when he sees a cave drawing of the Ark and acknowledges it: INDY: It's the Ark of the Covenant. ELSA: You sure? INDY: Pretty sure. That's it. That's the only real alluding to any previous chapter. This one is full of it, what with exposition as to why Denholm Elliot & Connery ain't around, plus an Ark cameo, (also, which you probably didn't catch were drawings of the stones from Temple on the blackboard when Indy was teaching the class), and they even made a reference to "Young Indiana Jones" when Indy said he rode with Pancho Villa. I'll say this, I'll take this over another shit in the mouth of my childhood remake, but it just seemed... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Taln Hess at May 26, 2008, 12:29 pm | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | Well, I enjoyed it. It was a cool little pulpy story like Indiana Jones was originally designed to be. The action was a lot of fun and the narrative suffered when it tried to move beyond pulp and add anything of substance (blame Lucas's terrible writing skills for that). Matt already brought up my big argument, which is the idea of the faith based artifacts of Indy's best adventures being easily accepted, but aliens somehow being beyond the realm of believability. I think the plot was perfect for a movie that was an answer to the serials of old. Loved the nods to Denholm Elliott and Sean Connery. Well deserved. I agree it doesn't hold up to Indy in his prime (Raiders and Last Crusade), but I'll take it over the "fortune and glory" of ToD. Overall, this is like opening a window into Indy's life a little while after he's ridden into the sunset and seeing how life has turned out for him. He's still grumpy, he's still adventurous, and he can still hold his own in a fight. It's a nice visit, and I'm glad they did... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Milo at May 26, 2008, 10:05 am | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by Witch King) There are ancient cultures who (from what we can interpret) believed in outside visitors just as strongly as many of us believe in God. There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare [children] to them, the same [became] mighty men which [were] of old, men of renown.--Genesis | | Static Link |
| Posted by: electricloseyland at May 26, 2008, 8:20 am | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | I liked it, but it's definitely third-best after Raiders and Crusade. I think the main problem I had with it was that the big action set-piece -- the jungle chase -- pales in comparison to the truck chase from Raiders or the tank sequence from Crusade. It was cool, but it didn't get my heart pumping the way those sequences did. There were a lot of other things that I really dug. Particularly Marion -- I was worried that her role would only be a cameo for nostalgia's sake, but fortunately she had a good, meaty role. And I was shocked to find myself not hating Mutt. I certainly don't think he warrants his own spinoff series, but he was not a bad sidekick. The motorcycle chase through campus was great, and I liked Indy's sudden turn of opinion on Mutt's educational priorities. And the Brando/Wild One reference was silly, but it did make me laugh. The crystal skull thing was also kind of silly and vague, but then again, so were the magic rocks from Doom. I remember seeing Doom when I was 5 or 6, thinking the sto... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Josh at May 25, 2008, 5:53 pm | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by Matt) Now I haven't read the bible in a long time but I don't remember the bible saying the ark of the covenant could have some face melting ghosts flying out of it. Then you should read more. Seriously, the Bible does say some stuff about how anyone looking in it would die... and anyone touching it who wasn't a priest died instantly. There are specific examples of it happening. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Witch King at May 25, 2008, 5:23 pm | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by crappertay) Some people do believe that the only way the Mayan civilisations were so advanced was because they had help. Some people do believe some dude came back to life after being tortured to death and was the saviour of humanity. This. Tay sums it up perfectly. I believe the latter, I do not believe (nor disbelieve) the former, but it's no less out of place in a film series about humanity dealing with the supernatural. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Witch King at May 25, 2008, 5:22 pm | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | There are ancient cultures who (from what we can interpret) believed in outside visitors just as strongly as many of us believe in God. It is very much a part of our history, the same way Christianity is. Just not as much American Judeo-Christian history. Again, how they handled the aliens may have left something to be desired, but the film being about aliens influence on mesoamerican indians is not silly at all. I don't really believe in aliens, but I've taken enough courses on the Anasazi and other such antique civilizations that I was extremely interested in the story. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Matt at May 25, 2008, 4:48 pm | | Topic: Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull-Official Movie Thread Forum: Film Hobbit | | Tay I TOTALLY agreee with you about that opening scene. Harrison seemed off. He wasn't Indy.. then all of a sudden he was. Yeah, I love the Han Solo reference and the Intolerable line. Very cool also to show photos of Sean Connery and the guy played Marcus Brody. Aliens having something to do with the pyramids, Mayan civilizations has been around for a long time. So while not concrete, it isn't totally out of the realm of possibility. Now I haven't read the bible in a long time but I don't remember the bible saying the ark of the covenant could have some face melting ghosts flying out of it. | | Static Link |
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