| Posted by: The Starmaker at March 27, 2008, 11:22 am | | Topic: The Valachi papers Forum: groupsrv | | William December Starr wrote: Quote: In article wrote: But Hollywood in the past was afraid to use the word "Mafia" in their films...I'm not even sure the movies The Godfather mentioned that word... Only once, I think. One of the senators uses it when asking a question during the hearings in The Godfather Part II. God forbid they would use that word in the first Godfather movie... There was neither need nor reason for the word to appear anywhere in the movie's dialogue. -- William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com The *need* was to bring the "Mafia" into the light. The reason was Hollywood *is* afraid of the "Mafia". It is a policy, in the screnwriters world that the word "Mafia" is not to be incuded in a script. So William, don't come here with your garbage. Throw it in your backyard. Or you mother's living room. The Starmaker | | Static Link |
| Posted by: William December Starr at March 27, 2008, 3:49 am | | Topic: The Valachi papers Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: But Hollywood in the past was afraid to use the word "Mafia" in their films...I'm not even sure the movies The Godfather mentioned that word... Only once, I think. One of the senators uses it when asking a question during the hearings in The Godfather Part II. God forbid they would use that word in the first Godfather movie... There was neither need nor reason for the word to appear anywhere in the movie's dialogue. -- William December Starr <wdstarr@panix.com> | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Baldoni at March 26, 2008, 9:24 pm | | Topic: The Valachi papers Forum: groupsrv | | The Starmaker formulated on Wednesday : Quote:Audie Murphy's Ghost wrote: In article wrote: stonej wrote: Looks to have some Godfather elements in it. What do you think of the movie overall? The Valachi Papers came out almost three months before The Godfather. That's Hollywood leeches for you, they hear about a Capote movie and they come out with another one around the same time...or a fish movie and they come out with a shark movie, or a ant movie and they come out with a bee movie, or... Well, if you like Charles Bronson, and mafia gangster movies, you cannot go wrong...it certaintly not a waste of your time. But Hollywood in the past was afraid to use the word "Mafia" in their films...I'm not even sure the movies The Godfather mentioned that word... Only once, I think. One of the senators uses it when asking a question during the hearings in The Godfather Part II. God forbid they would use that word in the first Godfather movie... I think Jack Wolf came about the closest to saying it to Tom Hagen. Was the ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Baldoni at March 26, 2008, 9:19 pm | | Topic: The Valachi papers Forum: groupsrv | | Rich T expressed precisely : Quote:On Mar 25, 6:36 pm, No Man wrote: I read the book a looonnnng time ago. It was the first violation of their omerta code. You aren't supposed to tell. And during a congressional hearing, of course the politicos were playing to the home crowd, so one asked Valachi: "Is there mafia activity in Bloomington?" Valachi leans over to speak with his counsel. The Indiana buffoon thinks he's struck gold, gonna play up to the folks back home how he uncovered the mob right here in River City! What Valachi was asking was, "Where the hell is Bloomington?" -- ubi dubium ibi libertas "Freedom is in Doubt"http://tremonius.blogspot.com/ I thought the question was "Where the hell is Omaha?" An Englishman would ask "where the blooming hell is Omaha ?" -- Count Baldoni | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Baldoni at March 26, 2008, 9:18 pm | | Topic: The Valachi papers Forum: groupsrv | | Rich T pretended : Quote:On Mar 25, 6:36 pm, No Man wrote: I read the book a looonnnng time ago. It was the first violation of their omerta code. You aren't supposed to tell. And during a congressional hearing, of course the politicos were playing to the home crowd, so one asked Valachi: "Is there mafia activity in Bloomington?" Valachi leans over to speak with his counsel. The Indiana buffoon thinks he's struck gold, gonna play up to the folks back home how he uncovered the mob right here in River City! What Valachi was asking was, "Where the hell is Bloomington?" -- ubi dubium ibi libertas "Freedom is in Doubt"http://tremonius.blogspot.com/ I thought the question was "Where the hell is Omaha?" Once at Christmas in Manhatten he did ask his wife "Where the hell is Bloomingdales" ! -- Count Baldoni | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Baldoni at March 26, 2008, 9:16 pm | | Topic: The Valachi papers Forum: groupsrv | | Walter Traprock presented the following explanation : Quote:Baldoni wrote: Opry phantom explained : On Mar 25, 10:39 am, stonej wrote: Looks to have some Godfather elements in it. What do you think of the movie overall? Mostly shlock; you can see cars in the background that are obviously 30+ years in the future. Valachi's world was essentially Manhattan and da Bronx. The Genovese Family had a thing for those "flat top" haircuts among it's members. Strange but true. Genovese may be a common enough name that the Genovese Family is not related to the Kitty Genovese who was murdered by blacks because she was white? Vito Genovese was a thoroughly bad bastard as was the guy who killed Kitty Genovese. But the guy who killed her would have had more than a soup can shoved up his own ass in Jail, had she been related to Don Vito. -- Count Baldoni | | Static Link |
| Posted by: No Man at March 26, 2008, 3:49 pm | | Topic: The Valachi papers Forum: groupsrv | | Rich T wrote: Quote:I thought the question was "Where the hell is Omaha?" Right. But, you know, I throw in bergs to avoid the stumbling of qualifiers. I learned that trick from the Lincoln NM County Museum. They used to speculate about all the ways Billy the Kid may've broke jail. Then they decided, obviously, that history is much more dramatic if it's comprehensive. So now they have one tale, dubious as the rest but it's their's and they stick to it, for the daring jailbreak of 1881. -- ubi dubium ibi libertas "Freedom is in Doubt" http://tremonius.blogspot.com/ | | Static Link |
| Posted by: The Starmaker at March 26, 2008, 1:36 pm | | Topic: The Valachi papers Forum: groupsrv | | Audie Murphy's Ghost wrote: Quote: In article wrote: stonej wrote: Looks to have some Godfather elements in it. What do you think of the movie overall? The Valachi Papers came out almost three months before The Godfather. That's Hollywood leeches for you, they hear about a Capote movie and they come out with another one around the same time...or a fish movie and they come out with a shark movie, or a ant movie and they come out with a bee movie, or... Quote: Well, if you like Charles Bronson, and mafia gangster movies, you cannot go wrong...it certaintly not a waste of your time. But Hollywood in the past was afraid to use the word "Mafia" in their films...I'm not even sure the movies The Godfather mentioned that word... Only once, I think. One of the senators uses it when asking a question during the hearings in The Godfather Part II. God forbid they would use that word in the first Godfather movie... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: The Starmaker at March 26, 2008, 11:26 am | | Topic: The Valachi papers Forum: groupsrv | | stonej wrote: Quote: Looks to have some Godfather elements in it. What do you think of the movie overall? Well, if you like Charles Bronson, and mafia gangster movies, you cannot go wrong...it certaintly not a waste of your time. But Hollywood in the past was afraid to use the word "Mafia" in their films...I'm not even sure the movies The Godfather mentioned that word... Hollywood is jealous of the Mafia because they always wanted their "own thing" going on instead of the Italian thing. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Rich T at March 26, 2008, 8:34 am | | Topic: The Valachi papers Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 25, 6:36 pm, No Man wrote: Quote:I read the book a looonnnng time ago. It was the first violation of their omerta code. You aren't supposed to tell. And during a congressional hearing, of course the politicos were playing to the home crowd, so one asked Valachi: "Is there mafia activity in Bloomington?" Valachi leans over to speak with his counsel. The Indiana buffoon thinks he's struck gold, gonna play up to the folks back home how he uncovered the mob right here in River City! What Valachi was asking was, "Where the hell is Bloomington?" -- ubi dubium ibi libertas "Freedom is in Doubt"http://tremonius.blogspot.com/ I thought the question was "Where the hell is Omaha?" | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Walter Traprock at March 25, 2008, 8:10 pm | | Topic: The Valachi papers Forum: groupsrv | | Baldoni wrote: Quote:Opry phantom explained : On Mar 25, 10:39 am, stonej wrote: Looks to have some Godfather elements in it. What do you think of the movie overall? Mostly shlock; you can see cars in the background that are obviously 30+ years in the future. Valachi's world was essentially Manhattan and da Bronx. The Genovese Family had a thing for those "flat top" haircuts among it's members. Strange but true. Genovese may be a common enough name that the Genovese Family is not related to the Kitty Genovese who was murdered by blacks because she was white? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: No Man at March 25, 2008, 6:36 pm | | Topic: The Valachi papers Forum: groupsrv | | I read the book a looonnnng time ago. It was the first violation of their omerta code. You aren't supposed to tell. And during a congressional hearing, of course the politicos were playing to the home crowd, so one asked Valachi: "Is there mafia activity in Bloomington?" Valachi leans over to speak with his counsel. The Indiana buffoon thinks he's struck gold, gonna play up to the folks back home how he uncovered the mob right here in River City! What Valachi was asking was, "Where the hell is Bloomington?" -- ubi dubium ibi libertas "Freedom is in Doubt" http://tremonius.blogspot.com/ | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Baldoni at March 25, 2008, 2:03 pm | | Topic: The Valachi papers Forum: groupsrv | | Opry phantom explained : Quote:On Mar 25, 10:39 am, stonej wrote: Looks to have some Godfather elements in it. What do you think of the movie overall? Mostly shlock; you can see cars in the background that are obviously 30+ years in the future. Valachi's world was essentially Manhattan and da Bronx. The Genovese Family had a thing for those "flat top" haircuts among it's members. Strange but true. -- Count Baldoni | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Guest at March 25, 2008, 10:56 am | | Topic: The Valachi papers Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 25, 1:39 pm, stonej wrote: Quote:Looks to have some Godfather elements in it. What do you think of the movie overall? I read the book a couple of years ago and it is one of the best books about the Mafia I've ever read. I meant to watch the movie afterwards and now, for the life of me, I can't remember if I did or not. If I did it was singularly unmemorable. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Opry phantom at March 25, 2008, 8:51 am | | Topic: The Valachi papers Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 25, 10:39 am, stonej wrote: Quote:Looks to have some Godfather elements in it. What do you think of the movie overall? << Mostly shlock; you can see cars in the background that are obviously 30+ years in the future. Valachi's world was essentially Manhattan and da Bronx. | | Static Link |
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