| Posted by: Magnus, Robot Fighter at March 24, 2008, 5:45 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 18:04:28 -0400, George Peatty wrote: Quote:On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:33:25 GMT, "Jim Beaver" <jumblejim@prodigy.spam wrote: What does it matter? Marion Cotillard was decades younger than Piaf. So? I'm in favor of actors being believable as their characters at the age they characters were. But I'm much more concerned with whether I believe in the characters, period. I was pleasantly surprised by Wilkinson's Franklin. The one thing you mentioned as reason for not liking him is the actor's age. What about his actual portrayal bothers you? Several things: I suppose no one knows the context of Franklin's famous line, "Gentlemen, from this time on, we must all hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately." But, I hated the almost matter of fact, dismissive way it was uttered here. Something didn't sit right in the scene where Franklin is poking good-natured fun at the Massachusetts delegation outside the meeting hall. Too .. animated, demonstrative .. something. It just didn't ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: George Peatty at March 24, 2008, 5:04 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:33:25 GMT, "Jim Beaver" wrote: Quote:What does it matter? Marion Cotillard was decades younger than Piaf. So? I'm in favor of actors being believable as their characters at the age they characters were. But I'm much more concerned with whether I believe in the characters, period. I was pleasantly surprised by Wilkinson's Franklin. The one thing you mentioned as reason for not liking him is the actor's age. What about his actual portrayal bothers you? Several things: I suppose no one knows the context of Franklin's famous line, "Gentlemen, from this time on, we must all hang together, or most assuredly, we shall all hang separately." But, I hated the almost matter of fact, dismissive way it was uttered here. Something didn't sit right in the scene where Franklin is poking good-natured fun at the Massachusetts delegation outside the meeting hall. Too .. animated, demonstrative .. something. It just didn't ring true to me. Finally, Wilkinson is a victim of his own talent. He is so good tha... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at March 24, 2008, 4:42 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | slidge@slidge.com wrote: Quote:Is there a better actor working today than Tom Wilkinson? He made the uneven "Separate Lies" well worth watching too, and he stars with Spacek in "In the Bedroom." So far I've liked his Benajmin Franklin in HBO's "John Adams". For those who never studied up on their Lesser-Known Charles Dickens, check out his creepy Uriah Heep-like villain in the BBC "Martin Chuzzlewit": http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112062/ Derek Janssen ejanss1@verizon.net | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jim Beaver at March 24, 2008, 3:33 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | "George Peatty" <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote in message news:eoofu35bhj0603suf68fiv73o7dagbreo5@4ax.com... Quote:On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:05:05 -0000, slidge@slidge.com wrote: Is there a better actor working today than Tom Wilkinson? He made the uneven "Separate Lies" well worth watching too, and he stars with Spacek in "In the Bedroom." So far I've liked his Benajmin Franklin in HBO's "John Adams". So does David McCullough. I do not. For one thing, he is too young by ten years .. Franklin was in his early 70's at the time of the Continental Congress, if I recall my history correctly. What does it matter? Marion Cotillard was decades younger than Piaf. So? I'm in favor of actors being believable as their characters at the age they characters were. But I'm much more concerned with whether I believe in the characters, period. I was pleasantly surprised by Wilkinson's Franklin. The one thing you mentioned as reason for not liking him is the actor's age. What about his actual portrayal bothers you? Jim B... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Marv Soloff at March 24, 2008, 1:03 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | George Peatty wrote: Quote:On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:05:05 -0000, slidge@slidge.com wrote: Is there a better actor working today than Tom Wilkinson? He made the uneven "Separate Lies" well worth watching too, and he stars with Spacek in "In the Bedroom." So far I've liked his Benajmin Franklin in HBO's "John Adams". So does David McCullough. I do not. For one thing, he is too young by ten years .. Franklin was in his early 70's at the time of the Continental Congress, if I recall my history correctly. You do - and it was a burnt out Franklin at that - correctly played by Howard Da Silva in "1776". Marv | | Static Link |
| Posted by: George Peatty at March 24, 2008, 12:23 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:05:05 -0000, slidge@slidge.com wrote: Quote:Is there a better actor working today than Tom Wilkinson? He made the uneven "Separate Lies" well worth watching too, and he stars with Spacek in "In the Bedroom." So far I've liked his Benajmin Franklin in HBO's "John Adams". So does David McCullough. I do not. For one thing, he is too young by ten years .. Franklin was in his early 70's at the time of the Continental Congress, if I recall my history correctly. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Guest at March 24, 2008, 12:05 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | Quote:Is there a better actor working today than Tom Wilkinson? He made the uneven "Separate Lies" well worth watching too, and he stars with Spacek in "In the Bedroom." So far I've liked his Benajmin Franklin in HBO's "John Adams". | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Guest at March 24, 2008, 12:02 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | Quote:If the '80s produced a good movie about high school, it was "Heathers," which was the antithesis of the John Hughes comedy. Fast Times at Ridgemont High (1981) Sixteen Candles (1984), my aforementioned fave by Hughes Hm, that's about it, isn't it? There are a few other good ones that are about kids of that age, but not specifically about HS. I'll add "Better Off Dead" (if just for the kids who learned English and fashion from watching 'Wide World of Sports') and "Three O'Clock High" to that list. Silly, stupid movies, but fun nontheless. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Guest at March 24, 2008, 11:57 am | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | Quote:Most American music from the 80s, aside from maybe the Cramps, hasn't passed the test of time (are people still listening to Husker Du?) but the UK had the Smiths, the Fall, the Jesus and Mary Chain and New Order all doing spectacular work in the middle of the 80s. I'm one of those folks who think that the Pixies were the most influential band out of the 80s, so take it with a grain of salt when I say that their music has weathered well. Of course, the argument can be made that they got their start on Rough Trade records, so technically you could say they came out of the UK. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at March 23, 2008, 8:34 am | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 23, 12:10 am, Okierazorbacker wrote: Quote:On Mar 22, 4:44 pm, moviePig wrote: Fwiw, I *would* call your perspective above a "professional" one ...not a bad thing, by any means, as I'm glad of access here to it. But, e.g., when *I* saw IN THE BEDROOM, it quite spontaneously stamped its (first-time) *director* onto my must-see list ...where he remains. I'm curious about your apparent distaste for watching movies a second time. I've seen several of my favorites multiple times, a dozen or more. To me, not doing so would be like listening to a Beatles album once and saying "OK, I've heard that one. What's next?" and never going back to it. What's your reasoning? Total recall? So many movies, so little time? To paraphrase one of my favorite lines from (iirc) 'The Dick Van Dyke Show'... I'm shallow. I watch movies for the emotional (and intellectual, if that's different) tour they give me ...and, the mere prospect of something new carries for me a rush not easily replaced. Of course, some find that ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Anim8rFSK at March 22, 2008, 9:28 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:Stacia wrote: On Mar 22, 9:35 am, Okierazorbacker wrote: I felt somewhat the same way about "Crash." That's a Best Picture? I'm no Subtlety Nazi, but that was like being bludgeoned over the head with a mace. I've avoided "Crash" because I've heard a lot of opinions similar to that. However, I did watch the 1996 movie called "Crash", because I'm a fan of that kind of crazy-ass filmmaking. To tie it all into the 80s movies theme, I have one word: "Videodrome". Stacia What about "Rollerball" (the original 1975 version with James Caan)? Marv It's better than the nipple removed remake? -- Star Trek 09: No Shat, No Show. http://www.disneysub.com/board/noshat.jpg | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Anim8rFSK at March 22, 2008, 9:27 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:On Mar 22, 9:35 am, Okierazorbacker wrote: I felt somewhat the same way about "Crash." That's a Best Picture? I'm no Subtlety Nazi, but that was like being bludgeoned over the head with a mace. I've avoided "Crash" because I've heard a lot of opinions similar to that. However, I did watch the 1996 movie called "Crash", because I'm a fan of that kind of crazy-ass filmmaking. One year a friend decided to give me the two most horrid films he could find on Laserdisc for Xmas. So I have that CRASH and WATERWORLD, in special editions, still shrinkwrapped, 10 years later . . . -- Star Trek 09: No Shat, No Show. http://www.disneysub.com/board/noshat.jpg | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Marv Soloff at March 22, 2008, 8:16 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | Stacia wrote: Quote:On Mar 22, 9:35 am, Okierazorbacker wrote: I felt somewhat the same way about "Crash." That's a Best Picture? I'm no Subtlety Nazi, but that was like being bludgeoned over the head with a mace. I've avoided "Crash" because I've heard a lot of opinions similar to that. However, I did watch the 1996 movie called "Crash", because I'm a fan of that kind of crazy-ass filmmaking. To tie it all into the 80s movies theme, I have one word: "Videodrome". Stacia What about "Rollerball" (the original 1975 version with James Caan)? Marv | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Okierazorbacker at March 22, 2008, 7:10 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 22, 4:44 pm, moviePig wrote: Quote: Fwiw, I *would* call your perspective above a "professional" one ...not a bad thing, by any means, as I'm glad of access here to it. But, e.g., when *I* saw IN THE BEDROOM, it quite spontaneously stamped its (first-time) *director* onto my must-see list ...where he remains. I'm curious about your apparent distaste for watching movies a second time. I've seen several of my favorites multiple times, a dozen or more. To me, not doing so would be like listening to a Beatles album once and saying "OK, I've heard that one. What's next?" and never going back to it. What's your reasoning? Total recall? So many movies, so little time? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Stacia at March 22, 2008, 6:05 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 22, 9:27 pm, Anim8rFSK wrote: Quote:One year a friend decided to give me the two most horrid films he could find on Laserdisc for Xmas. So I have that CRASH and WATERWORLD, in special editions, still shrinkwrapped, 10 years later . . . What, he couldn't find "Golden Dawn"? Stacia | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jim Beaver at March 22, 2008, 4:03 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | "Okierazorbacker" wrote: Quote: It's amusing and sweet. Have you ever pondered how much your opinion of films may be colored by your profession? Maybe it's a stupid question, so forgive me, but as an actor, do you naturally find yourself drawn to "actors' films"? We strongly disagreed recently on "Fight Club" and "The Matrix," for example, definitely not actors' films, and I'd say "The Princess Bride" is not solidly in that category either, though perhaps more so than the others. INTERSPERSED RESPONSES (Damn Vista!): I don't know, but I doubt it. The performances in PRINCESS BRIDE were part of what I favored about it. Wally Shawn is amazing, and I really like Mandy Patinkin and Cary Elwes. I don't like FIGHT CLUB or THE MATRIX because I didn't give a rat's ass about the story or characters in either case -- not that I could figure out a story in THE MATRIX. A great story, well-told is usually my criteria. I'd again recommend "In the Bedroom" and "The Safety Of Objects" to you as actors' films. Also recently s... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at March 22, 2008, 12:44 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 22, 4:03 pm, "Jim Beaver" wrote: Quote:"Okierazorbacker" wrote: It's amusing and sweet. Have you ever pondered how much your opinion of films may be colored by your profession? Maybe it's a stupid question, so forgive me, but as an actor, do you naturally find yourself drawn to "actors' films"? We strongly disagreed recently on "Fight Club" and "The Matrix," for example, definitely not actors' films, and I'd say "The Princess Bride" is not solidly in that category either, though perhaps more so than the others. INTERSPERSED RESPONSES (Damn Vista!): I don't know, but I doubt it. The performances in PRINCESS BRIDE were part of what I favored about it. Wally Shawn is amazing, and I really like Mandy Patinkin and Cary Elwes. I don't like FIGHT CLUB or THE MATRIX because I didn't give a rat's ass about the story or characters in either case -- not that I could figure out a story in THE MATRIX. A great story, well-told is usually my criteria. I'd again recommend "In the Bedroom" and "The Safety Of Objec... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Stone me at March 22, 2008, 11:54 am | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | "Sean O'Hara" <seanohara@gmail.com> wrote in message news:64kj8iF2cgbe4U1@mid.individual.net... Quote:In the Year of the Earth Rat, the Great and Powerful Stacia declared: I know I'm supposed to love this film because I grew up in the 80s and blah blah blah, but I just don't love it as much as everyone else does. The same goes for "Breakfast Club". "The Princess Bride," is at least okay, but "The Breakfast Club" is outright evil. Think about the lessons of the film -- "Nerds should be made to do the work of everyone else, but still ostracized even if you do like them," "Every girl, even the freaky insane ones, aspires to go out with the star football player," and "It doesn't matter how screwed up and troubled a girl is, if she puts on some lipstick and eye-liner, everyone will like her." Snip Sean O'Hara <http://diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com I didn't think that either girls represented their sex as some kind of blueprint. What each character contributed to the whole was the troublesome challenge teena... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Stacia at March 22, 2008, 11:07 am | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 22, 9:35 am, Okierazorbacker wrote: Quote:I felt somewhat the same way about "Crash." That's a Best Picture? I'm no Subtlety Nazi, but that was like being bludgeoned over the head with a mace. I've avoided "Crash" because I've heard a lot of opinions similar to that. However, I did watch the 1996 movie called "Crash", because I'm a fan of that kind of crazy-ass filmmaking. To tie it all into the 80s movies theme, I have one word: "Videodrome". Stacia | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Bill Anderson at March 22, 2008, 8:42 am | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | Sean O'Hara wrote: Quote:In the Year of the Earth Rat, the Great and Powerful Jim Beaver declared: "Okierazorbacker" <okierazorbacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:f9cbe03c-3941-4ed3-a48b-a21190992cf3@z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... "The Princess Bride--Unendingly quotable dialogue, hilarious moments, astonishingly great swordfight, believable romance, even Peter Falk & Fred Savage are perfect. C'mon." RESPONSE: I saw this when it was new, vaguely recall liking it well enough. Then as the years passed and I saw that it was some sort of touchstone for a generation, I kept thinking I ought to go back and look at it again, to see what it was that I'd missed. Finally saw it again a week or so ago. It's amusing and sweet. I'm of the generation that loves "The Princess Bride," and I don't get its popularity at all. But I love the novel. Too bad Goldman decided to lobotomize it, turning it from a great bittersweet tale into a simple little fairy tale. Yes, S. Morgenstern's original is really something, ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Okierazorbacker at March 22, 2008, 4:40 am | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 22, 8:26 am, Sean O'Hara wrote: Quote:In the Year of the Earth Rat, the Great and Powerful Stacia declared: If the '80s produced a good movie about high school, it was "Heathers," which was the antithesis of the John Hughes comedy. Fast Times at Ridgemont High (1981) Sixteen Candles (1984), my aforementioned fave by Hughes Hm, that's about it, isn't it? There are a few other good ones that are about kids of that age, but not specifically about HS. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Okierazorbacker at March 22, 2008, 4:35 am | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 22, 1:38 am, Stacia wrote: Quote:"Normal" is one of the few movies I had a strong, visceral reaction to; not just dislike, but absolute, impenetrable loathing. I was convinced the world was a worse place because of the film. I felt somewhat the same way about "Crash." That's a Best Picture? I'm no Subtlety Nazi, but that was like being bludgeoned over the head with a mace. Quote: Now every time I see Wilkinson I think of "Normal" and I cringe. It's unfortunate, because I think he's a good actor. He was good in the 2002 "Importance of Being Ernest" (I think I'm the only one who liked that film) and in "Eternal Sunshine". I liked IOBE too, though perhaps not as much as you; don't care to see it again, and unlike the Pig that's a benchmark for me because I like to watch favorites several times each. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Bill Anderson at March 21, 2008, 11:14 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | Jim Beaver wrote: Quote: "Okierazorbacker" <okierazorbacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:f9cbe03c-3941-4ed3-a48b-a21190992cf3@z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... "The Princess Bride--Unendingly quotable dialogue, hilarious moments, astonishingly great swordfight, believable romance, even Peter Falk & Fred Savage are perfect. C'mon." RESPONSE: I saw this when it was new, vaguely recall liking it well enough. Then as the years passed and I saw that it was some sort of touchstone for a generation, I kept thinking I ought to go back and look at it again, to see what it was that I'd missed. Finally saw it again a week or so ago. It's amusing and sweet. The "unendingly quotable dialog" may be quotable, but it certainly isn't unending. Or unendingly quotable. The "you killed my father, prepare to die" line is amusing the first few times, but I still can't see why it sticks with anybody. And the only other line I can remember people quoting, "I do not think that word means what you think it means," is also ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: David Oberman at March 21, 2008, 11:12 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | Stacia wrote: Quote:A lot of people love Billy Crystal and Carol Kane, but I never did think that scene was seminal in any way. It's spastic and hammy, and only gets good when Max realizes Humperdink is going to get "humiliations galore". In my family, we bid goodbye by waving & saying, "Have fun stoiming da castle." ____ The colour of my soul is iron-grey & sad bats wheel about the steeple of my dreams. -- Debussy | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Magnus, Robot Fighter at March 21, 2008, 10:30 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:36:37 -0700, David Oberman wrote: Quote:"Magnus, Robot Fighter" wrote: But, yeah, my list of albums I had in the 80's is completly dominated by Brits, with a smattering of Canadians, a couple of Aussies and Kiwis. Couple of U2 classics I have WAR Quote:"Nebraska" - Springsteen "The Dreaming" - Kate Bush I have that. Quote:"Shoot Out the Lights" - Richard & Linda Thompson "Walk Under Ladders" - Joan Armatrading "Let It Be" - Replacements The '80s was the death of all the great R&B & soul from the late '60s & '70s. That's for sure. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jim Beaver at March 21, 2008, 10:26 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | "David Oberman" wrote: Edward Scissorhands--Magical retelling of the Frankenstein tale, ushering in the greatest filmmaking triumvirate of the late 20th century: Burton/Depp/Elfman. Hmmm... takes temperature Some of the others are borderline, others wouldn't be mistaken for "great" but are still quality. From '80s Americans, I like: SECRET HONOR CASUALTIES OF WAR STOP MAKING SENSE SPLASH THE PURPLE ROSE OF CAIRO & BROADWAY DANNY ROSE ICEMAN (or is that Australian because the director is?) MOSCOW ON THE HUDSON DO THE RIGHT THING CHOOSE ME (excellent for Alan Rudolph) UNDER FIRE THE LAST TEMPTATION OF CHRIST (American?) I like a few of those, some more than others. Only UNDER FIRE makes a list of splendid films for me. Jim Beaver | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jim Beaver at March 21, 2008, 10:23 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | "Okierazorbacker" <okierazorbacker@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:f9cbe03c-3941-4ed3-a48b-a21190992cf3@z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... "The Princess Bride--Unendingly quotable dialogue, hilarious moments, astonishingly great swordfight, believable romance, even Peter Falk & Fred Savage are perfect. C'mon." RESPONSE: I saw this when it was new, vaguely recall liking it well enough. Then as the years passed and I saw that it was some sort of touchstone for a generation, I kept thinking I ought to go back and look at it again, to see what it was that I'd missed. Finally saw it again a week or so ago. It's amusing and sweet. The "unendingly quotable dialog" may be quotable, but it certainly isn't unending. Or unendingly quotable. The "you killed my father, prepare to die" line is amusing the first few times, but I still can't see why it sticks with anybody. And the only other line I can remember people quoting, "I do not think that word means what you think it means," is also amusing, but way far from... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Stacia at March 21, 2008, 9:38 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 21, 10:32 pm, Okierazorbacker wrote: Quote:Is there a better actor working today than Tom Wilkinson? He made the uneven "Separate Lies" well worth watching too, and he stars with Spacek in "In the Bedroom." I know you were addressing Jim, but I was just thinking of Wilkinson recently and how I hate seeing him after watching "Normal", the 2003 made-for-TV movie about a middle-aged man who has a sex change. It was ridiculous. The critics who praised it must have not actually seen the movie, as they use terms like "subtle" and "sensitive" and "accurate" in the sense that it allegedly captured Midwestern life, and I saw none of that. I saw sensationalism disguised as social consciousness. It reminded me of "Flawless" and how some critics thought it was brave, not recognizing the stereotypes on parade. "Normal" is one of the few movies I had a strong, visceral reaction to; not just dislike, but absolute, impenetrable loathing. I was convinced the world was a worse place because of the film. Now every time I... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at March 21, 2008, 7:46 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | Frank R.A.J. Maloney wrote: Quote: "Mother"..."The Muse"..."Looking for Comedy in the Muslim World"... (<sigh> What happened to director Albert Brooks after "Defending Your Life"?) :( I liked _Mother_ (1996) but _The Muse_ (1999) was a mess. I see from his filmography that he's been doing voice acting (_The Simpsons Movie_, _Finding Nemo_, etc.). I never even heard of _Looking for Comedy in the Muslim World_ until you mentioned it. If Brooks had done a *real* documentary under that title, it would've been a breakthrough-- A "self-deprecating" Real Life-style "mockumentary" (in which his "good" Muslim assistants are depicted with stock Pakistan accents) was just a waste of project. -_- Derek Janssen ejanss1@verizon.net | | Static Link |
| Posted by: David Oberman at March 21, 2008, 7:36 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | "Magnus, Robot Fighter" wrote: Quote:But, yeah, my list of albums I had in the 80's is completly dominated by Brits, with a smattering of Canadians, a couple of Aussies and Kiwis. Couple of U2 classics "Nebraska" - Springsteen "The Dreaming" - Kate Bush "Shoot Out the Lights" - Richard & Linda Thompson "Walk Under Ladders" - Joan Armatrading "Let It Be" - Replacements The '80s was the death of all the great R&B & soul from the late '60s & '70s. ____ The colour of my soul is iron-grey & sad bats wheel about the steeple of my dreams. -- Debussy | | Static Link |
| Posted by: David Oberman at March 21, 2008, 7:30 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | Tom Nawrocki wrote: Quote:I watched Albert Brooks' "Modern Romance" again last night, and I'd add that to the list of great Eighties films, along with its successor, "Lost in America." add that one to my list of "good" (bearing in mind Kingo's last post) ____ The colour of my soul is iron-grey & sad bats wheel about the steeple of my dreams. -- Debussy | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Steven L. at March 21, 2008, 7:01 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | Kingo Gondo wrote: Quote:"Sean O'Hara" <seanohara@gmail.com> wrote in message news:64i20sF2c7lb4U1@mid.individual.net... In the Year of the Earth Rat, the Great and Powerful Stacia declared: Today I was thinking about movies I used to hear about all the time, but which I rarely hear mentioned anymore. A long time ago someone said "Sling Blade" hadn't worn well and at the time I was offended (on the Internet of all places!), but now I agree. No one talks much about "Sling Blade", but at the time, it was the hot new thing from the hot new Hollywood genius. In retrospect, not so much. The same goes for "Ordinary People". It was okay when I first saw it, but I feel like I've grown out of it, if that makes sense. It doesn't seem to delve as deeply as I thought it did when I was in my early 20s. It's never on anyone's Best Of list and if Mary Tyler Moore's movie career is the subject, the example is always "Flirting With Disaster". The Oscars of the '80s are practically a checklist for these types of movies -... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Frank R.A.J. Maloney at March 21, 2008, 6:38 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:Tom Nawrocki wrote: I watched Albert Brooks' "Modern Romance" again last night, and I'd add that to the list of great Eighties films, along with its successor, "Lost in America." It's very tricky to make a movie that is so much of its time yet doesn't feel dated, but "Modern Romance" achieves that - it just bleeds early Eighties, for those of us who lived through that time, but it's aged a lot better than something like "On Golden Pond" or "Chariots of Fire." I suppose that's the difference between making a film whose subject is thoroughly steeped in a time period, and making one whose techniques are steeped in that period. "Mother"..."The Muse"..."Looking for Comedy in the Muslim World"... (<sigh> What happened to director Albert Brooks after "Defending Your Life"?) I liked _Mother_ (1996) but _The Muse_ (1999) was a mess. I see from his filmography that he's been doing voice acting (_The Simpsons Movie_, _Finding Nemo_, etc.). I never even heard of _Looking for Comedy in the... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Okierazorbacker at March 21, 2008, 6:32 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 21, 9:23 pm, "Jim Beaver" wrote: Quote: It's amusing and sweet. Have you ever pondered how much your opinion of films may be colored by your profession? Maybe it's a stupid question, so forgive me, but as an actor, do you naturally find yourself drawn to "actors' films"? We strongly disagreed recently on "Fight Club" and "The Matrix," for example, definitely not actors' films, and I'd say "The Princess Bride" is not solidly in that category either, though perhaps more so than the others. I'd again recommend "In the Bedroom" and "The Safety Of Objects" to you as actors' films. Also recently saw Mike Leigh's "All Or Nothing," another really good one. Is there a better actor working today than Tom Wilkinson? He made the uneven "Separate Lies" well worth watching too, and he stars with Spacek in "In the Bedroom." | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Okierazorbacker at March 21, 2008, 6:28 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 21, 9:50 pm, Stacia wrote: Quote: A lot of people love Billy Crystal and Carol Kane, but I never did think that scene was seminal in any way. It's spastic and hammy, and only gets good when Max realizes Humperdink is going to get "humiliations galore". I know I'm supposed to love this film because I grew up in the 80s and blah blah blah, but I just don't love it as much as everyone else does. The same goes for "Breakfast Club". I agree with you completely here. As much as I love the film, Crystal and especially the ALWAYS overrated Carol Kane are not the strongest part of it by far, for me. And BC isn't even my favorite John Hughes film, not that it's a long list. Quote: Speaking of Christopher Guest, is there no love for "This is Spinal Tap"? Funny thing, I never cared a lot for that one, but it is memorable. I still talk about turning things up to 11, imagine drummers exploding, visualize tiny Stonehenge, fondly recall DJs wondering whatever happened to any existing band that's down on its luck... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: endy9 at March 21, 2008, 6:19 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | "Stacia" <glitterninja@gmail.com> wrote in message news:c8ada2c9-5ffc-4e86-be82-d762d4a12add@n75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... Quote:Today I was thinking about movies I used to hear about all the time, but which I rarely hear mentioned anymore. A long time ago someone said "Sling Blade" hadn't worn well and at the time I was offended (on the Internet of all places!), but now I agree. No one talks much about "Sling Blade", but at the time, it was the hot new thing from the hot new Hollywood genius. In retrospect, not so much. I found it fascinating at the time but find that I resist watching it again. Usually I intrepret that to mean I expect the wonder to have worn off and don't want to reduce my memory of it <grin>. Quote: The same goes for "Ordinary People". It was okay when I first saw it, but I feel like I've grown out of it, if that makes sense. It doesn't seem to delve as deeply as I thought it did when I was in my early 20s. It's never on anyone's Best Of list and if Mary Tyler Moore's movie ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Magnus, Robot Fighter at March 21, 2008, 6:14 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:33:24 -0700 (PDT), nick wrote: Quote:On Mar 21, 12:31?pm, "Magnus, Robot Fighter" wrote: On Fri, 21 Mar 2008 15:38:13 GMT, "Kingo Gondo" kingo_nospam_go...@gmail.com> wrote: "Sean O'Hara" <seanoh...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:64i20sF2c7lb4U1@mid.individual.net... In the Year of the Earth Rat, the Great and Powerful Stacia declared: ? Today I was thinking about movies I used to hear about all the time, but which I rarely hear mentioned anymore. ?A long time ago someone said "Sling Blade" hadn't worn well and at the time I was offended (on the Internet of all places!), but now I agree. ?No one talks much about "Sling Blade", but at the time, it was the hot new thing from the hot new Hollywood genius. ?In retrospect, not so much. ? The same goes for "Ordinary People". ?It was okay when I first saw it, but I feel like I've grown out of it, if that makes sense. ?It doesn't seem to delve as deeply as I thought it did when I was in my early 20s. ?It's never on anyone's Best Of l... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Okierazorbacker at March 21, 2008, 5:58 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 21, 9:23 pm, "Jim Beaver" wrote: Quote:"Okierazorbacker" <okierazorbac...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:f9cbe03c-3941-4ed3-a48b-a21190992cf3@z38g2000hsc.googlegroups.com... "The Princess Bride--Unendingly quotable dialogue, hilarious moments, astonishingly great swordfight, believable romance, even Peter Falk & Fred Savage are perfect. C'mon." RESPONSE: I saw this when it was new, vaguely recall liking it well enough. Then as the years passed and I saw that it was some sort of touchstone for a generation, I kept thinking I ought to go back and look at it again, to see what it was that I'd missed. I did the same, looking at it again a couple of years ago. Fell in love with it that time. Quote: The "unendingly quotable dialog" may be quotable, but it certainly isn't unending. Or unendingly quotable. The "you killed my father, prepare to die" line is amusing the first few times, but I still can't see why it sticks with anybody. And the only other line I can remember people quoting, "I ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Stacia at March 21, 2008, 5:50 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 21, 9:23 pm, "Jim Beaver" wrote: Quote:The "unendingly quotable dialog" may be quotable, but it certainly isn't unending. Or unendingly quotable. The "you killed my father, prepare to die" line is amusing the first few times, but I still can't see why it sticks with anybody. And the only other line I can remember people quoting, "I do not think that word means what you think it means," is also amusing, but way far from the gut-buster one would think it is from the amount it's quoted. The funniest line in the movie: "If you don't have your health, you don't have anything." Even Christopher Guest looks like he's going to bust up laughing when he says it. A lot of people love Billy Crystal and Carol Kane, but I never did think that scene was seminal in any way. It's spastic and hammy, and only gets good when Max realizes Humperdink is going to get "humiliations galore". I know I'm supposed to love this film because I grew up in the 80s and blah blah blah, but I just don't love it as much as everyone else ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Stacia at March 21, 2008, 5:44 pm | | Topic: Forgotten Movies Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 21, 11:26 am, "Magnus, Robot Fighter" wrote: Quote:I have to admit though that there are very few films from the 80's that fall under the header of 'SCREW YOU "FILL IN THE BLANK" IS A GREAT, GREAT FILM AND I WILL DEFEND IT TO MY DEATH!!'. There are only two 80s films I could say that about: "Brazil" and "Blade Runner". "Blade Runner"is iffy because there's 3 versions now, and which one am I going to defend to the death? Even though I grew up in the 80s, I don't have a lot of favorites from that decade. There are some great comedies already mentioned, and I'd defend them to people who said they weren't funny or influential, but they don't inspire a lot of raves. Stacia | | Static Link |
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