| Posted by: No Man at March 18, 2008, 3:28 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | Jim Beaver wrote: Quote:I'm reading this and I get to the part about "the whole day went into the toilet...only a couple of close-ups were used," and I'm thinking, "Yeah, and?" I've seen entire weeks of work disappear. A sequence that takes four days to shoot takes eight seconds on screen. Incredible pieces of acting or staging cut in the blink of an eye because of any number of reasons, but usually because they don't move the story fast enough. I'm not prepared to blame McQueen's pique for this. It's just too common an occurrence. Okay, then, how about financing film like we do health coverage? There, that should work. Make an HMO out of any movie contract. The Producer/Director are incorporated, Blue Grosses, Ltd, and the bank transfers the funds. "Here, shoot us a $30Mil movie." The producer must budget the entire process. Whatever he doesn't pay out redounds to the corporate coffers, like my doctor musing on whether I really need that specialist if he has to in effect pay for her. Now here's how Interesti... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jim Beaver at March 17, 2008, 8:12 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | "No Man" <woesong@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:frmvu401n0@enews1.newsguy.com... Quote:Howard Brazee wrote: I'd like to learn more about film-making decisions that weren't made for reasons of art nor money that are interesting to know. Okay, here's an anecdote from my extremely limited perspective on filmaking. I've mentioned before the shooting day of *The Getaway*, the San Antonio River, in 1971. It was a day like all days, with pedestrians along the pretty walks on both sides of the river and the pleasure boats upon it. Except everybody in sight of the camera was a paid extra. At the end of the day, they did up establishing shots. The cinematographer set up on one of the bridges and the boats came down and it was all so nice. Steve McQueen rode the barge coming down the river. He'd step off just past the camera and hike back up. The barge would turn around and churn back and meet Steve McQueen and they'd do it all over again. Steve McQueen would give the locals, like me and my brother Reloj and an... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: No Man at March 17, 2008, 6:48 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | Howard Brazee wrote: Quote:I'd like to learn more about film-making decisions that weren't made for reasons of art nor money that are interesting to know. Okay, here's an anecdote from my extremely limited perspective on filmaking. I've mentioned before the shooting day of *The Getaway*, the San Antonio River, in 1971. It was a day like all days, with pedestrians along the pretty walks on both sides of the river and the pleasure boats upon it. Except everybody in sight of the camera was a paid extra. At the end of the day, they did up establishing shots. The cinematographer set up on one of the bridges and the boats came down and it was all so nice. Steve McQueen rode the barge coming down the river. He'd step off just past the camera and hike back up. The barge would turn around and churn back and meet Steve McQueen and they'd do it all over again. Steve McQueen would give the locals, like me and my brother Reloj and any others who snuck onto the set, a thrill by striding right by us, shaking hands. Once Ste... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Halmyre at March 17, 2008, 2:43 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | In article <13tpcmj7frkkm4f@corp.supernews.com>, sdlitvin@earthlink.net says... Quote:jessica_smith_nyc wrote: Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. "Battlefield Earth." They were originally planning to do sequels to cover the rest of the Hubbard novel. They were even planning to do an animated TV series for the kids on Saturday morning too! Travolta still has hopes of doing the sequels someday. On the DVD, Roger Christian said he still believes that the day will come when "Battlefield Earth" will be recognized as a truly great movie. He said that it's like "2001: A Space Odyssey," a movie that disappointed audiences on first release but may be recognized as a true classic decades later. Or the TV show "Star Trek," which got poor ratings in the 1960s but achieved lasting fame with new generations of fans. Maybe 40 years from now, "Battlefield Earth" will be as popular as "S... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at March 16, 2008, 10:51 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | G. M. Watson wrote: Quote: Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. "Battlefield Earth." They were originally planning to do sequels to cover the rest of the Hubbard novel. They were even planning to do an animated TV series for the kids on Saturday morning too! Nowadays, EVERY movie wants to be a trilogy before it opens*: "Battlefield: Earth" wanted to be a trilogy... "Godzilla" wanted to be a trilogy... That loopy JJ Abrams "Superman" script wanted to be a trilogy... Even those low-budget soccer movies nobody saw are already up to their second movie. And as the saying goes, people in hell want water, BUT... ;) (* - Call it peer pressure, as the mentality now seems that any hit movie that *stays* one hit movie--or worse yet <giggle!>, only gets ONE sequel--must be doing something wrong... Modern producers, who associate hits with threes, now make sure to plan that into their ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at March 16, 2008, 10:43 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | dgates wrote: Quote:On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:24:36 -0700 (PDT), Tom Nawrocki TJNawrocki@aol.com> wrote: On Mar 13, 6:43 pm, jessica_smith_nyc wrote: Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. One suspects that "Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins" falls into this category. Actually, the first trailers still had the original title "Remo", and then had to be retitle-clarified by the studio, after more people associated it with laughable Stallone wannabes and less with iconic pulp-paperbacks... Quote:When I see a title with a colon, it often looks to me like the filmmakers were hoping for the start of a franchise. There was a film called "Ballistic: Ecks Vs. Sever," and I suspect that the plan was that, if it were a hit, they could release many more "Ballistic: Whoever Vs. Whoever" movies. No, "Ecks vs. Sever" was the title of the hit videogame (story) that the producers originally thou... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at March 16, 2008, 10:39 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | Tom Nawrocki wrote: Quote:On Mar 13, 6:43 pm, jessica_smith_nyc wrote: Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. One suspects that "Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins" falls into this category. Actually, Remo was taken from a paperback series, so the producers naturally (if naively) thought they'd have a neverending source of story material-- (And hey, it wasn't that bad...This was back when Fred "Right Stuff" Ward could still appear in A-pictures, when Joel Grey wasn't stealing the entire movie.) Quote:"King Solomon's Mines," an Indiana Jones ripoff, was filmed concurrently with its sequel, "Allan Quatermain and the Lost City of Gold." But the first one was a flop, and I'm not sure the sequel even got a proper release. It did, but it was Golan/Globus, so who noticed? (And as far as G/G, B-movie losers are *allowed* to indulge in pre-approved-sequel dreams all they want, since they ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at March 16, 2008, 10:35 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | Anim8rFSK wrote: Quote:In article <frfjtk028dk@enews2.newsguy.com>, No Man <woesong@yahoo.com wrote: Howard Brazee wrote: Or _The Three Musketeers_ going too long and being split into two movies. Oh, shoot, is that what happened? I read at the time the actors were tricked by overshooting so they didn't have to pay them for two films. Print the legend. Yeah, the 'actors were tricked' story comes up because the same thing happened with the same producers and one director and Superman 1 & 2. I have NO idea what the truth is. IIRC (I only saw it original run in the theaters) 'The Four Musketeers' was awful by comparison, and full of shots that looked like they were lifted from discarded workprint. It didn't feel like a planned second film at all, but like they shot a film and a half, and padded out the second part to full length. Four Musketeers wasn't a "continuation", as the Dumas book was essentially complete in the first movie-- The Salkinds were the first to pioneer the modern mentality of "We K... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: G. M. Watson at March 16, 2008, 10:27 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | Quote:From: "Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <frajm@blarg.net Organization: Posted via Supernews, http://www.supernews.com Newsgroups: rec.arts.movies.past-films Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 09:46:24 -0700 Subject: Re: Interesting film making decisions Steven L. wrote: jessica_smith_nyc wrote: Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. "Battlefield Earth." They were originally planning to do sequels to cover the rest of the Hubbard novel. They were even planning to do an animated TV series for the kids on Saturday morning too! Travolta still has hopes of doing the sequels someday. On the DVD, Roger Christian said he still believes that the day will come when "Battlefield Earth" will be recognized as a truly great movie. He said that it's like "2001: A Space Odyssey," a movie that disappointed audiences on first release but may be recognized as a true classic decades later. Or the TV show "Star Tre... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Anim8rFSK at March 16, 2008, 8:00 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:On Mar 16, 11:46 am, "Frank R.A.J. Maloney" wrote: Steven L. wrote: jessica smith nyc wrote: Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. "Battlefield Earth." They were originally planning to do sequels to cover the rest of the Hubbard novel. They were even planning to do an animated TV series for the kids on Saturday morning too! Travolta still has hopes of doing the sequels someday. On the DVD, Roger Christian said he still believes that the day will come when "Battlefield Earth" will be recognized as a truly great movie. He said that it's like "2001: A Space Odyssey," a movie that disappointed audiences on first release but may be recognized as a true classic decades later. Or the TV show "Star Trek," which got poor ratings in the 1960s but achieved lasting fame with new generations of fans. Maybe 40 years from now, "Battlefield Earth" will be as popular a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Lookingglass at March 16, 2008, 2:10 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | "Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <frajm@blarg.net> wrote> Quote:All that is so wrong in so many ways I am helpless to do anything but protest that _2001_ did not disappoint the initial audiences, at least not in my experience, we flocked to it and returned to it and discussed it and worked to understand it. And we did so in large numbers. Frank in Seattle I agree. I saw the film nine times...within a short period...and I saw it at the local Cinerama theater in Seattle...!!! (I was stationed up at Whidbey Island) www.Shemakhan.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Frank R.A.J. Maloney at March 16, 2008, 12:13 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | moviePig wrote: Quote:On Mar 16, 11:46 am, "Frank R.A.J. Maloney" wrote: Steven L. wrote: jessica_smith_nyc wrote: Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. "Battlefield Earth." They were originally planning to do sequels to cover the rest of the Hubbard novel. They were even planning to do an animated TV series for the kids on Saturday morning too! Travolta still has hopes of doing the sequels someday. On the DVD, Roger Christian said he still believes that the day will come when "Battlefield Earth" will be recognized as a truly great movie. He said that it's like "2001: A Space Odyssey," a movie that disappointed audiences on first release but may be recognized as a true classic decades later. Or the TV show "Star Trek," which got poor ratings in the 1960s but achieved lasting fame with new generations of fans. Maybe 40 years from now, "Battlefield Earth" will be as popular as "Sta... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Frank R.A.J. Maloney at March 16, 2008, 11:46 am | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | Steven L. wrote: Quote:jessica_smith_nyc wrote: Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. "Battlefield Earth." They were originally planning to do sequels to cover the rest of the Hubbard novel. They were even planning to do an animated TV series for the kids on Saturday morning too! Travolta still has hopes of doing the sequels someday. On the DVD, Roger Christian said he still believes that the day will come when "Battlefield Earth" will be recognized as a truly great movie. He said that it's like "2001: A Space Odyssey," a movie that disappointed audiences on first release but may be recognized as a true classic decades later. Or the TV show "Star Trek," which got poor ratings in the 1960s but achieved lasting fame with new generations of fans. Maybe 40 years from now, "Battlefield Earth" will be as popular as "Star Trek" has become today. At least, that's Christian's theory. All ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at March 16, 2008, 7:05 am | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 16, 11:46 am, "Frank R.A.J. Maloney" wrote: Quote:Steven L. wrote: jessica_smith_nyc wrote: Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. "Battlefield Earth." They were originally planning to do sequels to cover the rest of the Hubbard novel. They were even planning to do an animated TV series for the kids on Saturday morning too! Travolta still has hopes of doing the sequels someday. On the DVD, Roger Christian said he still believes that the day will come when "Battlefield Earth" will be recognized as a truly great movie. He said that it's like "2001: A Space Odyssey," a movie that disappointed audiences on first release but may be recognized as a true classic decades later. Or the TV show "Star Trek," which got poor ratings in the 1960s but achieved lasting fame with new generations of fans. Maybe 40 years from now, "Battlefield Earth" will be as popular as "Star Trek" has ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Steven L. at March 16, 2008, 12:40 am | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | jessica_smith_nyc wrote: Quote:Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. "Battlefield Earth." They were originally planning to do sequels to cover the rest of the Hubbard novel. They were even planning to do an animated TV series for the kids on Saturday morning too! Travolta still has hopes of doing the sequels someday. On the DVD, Roger Christian said he still believes that the day will come when "Battlefield Earth" will be recognized as a truly great movie. He said that it's like "2001: A Space Odyssey," a movie that disappointed audiences on first release but may be recognized as a true classic decades later. Or the TV show "Star Trek," which got poor ratings in the 1960s but achieved lasting fame with new generations of fans. Maybe 40 years from now, "Battlefield Earth" will be as popular as "Star Trek" has become today. At least, that's Christian's theory. -- Steven L. Email: s... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: No Man at March 15, 2008, 10:52 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | Jim Beaver wrote: Quote:I believe they intended two movies all the time. According to both Charlton Heston's and Michael York's autobiographies, the actors did not learn there would be two films until the premiere of the first one, THE THREE MUSKETEERS. This is why there is a Screen Actors' Guild! Stars arise; you have nothing to lose but your residuals. *Bowfinger* is only one step removed. Steve Martin is an Ed Wood Jr range of "filmmaker" and he organizes a team like paparazzi to surreptitiously film Eddie Murphy who plays big star Kit Ramsey. The plan is to incorporate that footage into a movie starring an unaware Ramsey. And then there is the urban legend of the young lady who finally succumbs to her boy friend's inducement to attend a stag film and is shocked to see herself on the screen. Her ex was also one for surreptitious filming. -- ubi dubium ibi libertas "Freedom is in Doubt" http://tremonius.blogspot.com/ | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jim Beaver at March 15, 2008, 8:49 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | "Howard Brazee" <howard@brazee.net> wrote in message news:howard-EB39AC.15515015032008@newsgroups.comcast.net... Quote:In article <frfjtk028dk@enews2.newsguy.com>, No Man <woesong@yahoo.com wrote: Or _The Three Musketeers_ going too long and being split into two movies. Oh, shoot, is that what happened? I read at the time the actors were tricked by overshooting so they didn't have to pay them for two films. Print the legend. Both can be true. I've heard that they didn't intend to make two movies, but when they ended up going to two movies, they also didn't intend to pay the actors what they would have demanded for two movies - so they sued. Maybe someone here can tell what I said is accurate. I believe they intended two movies all the time. According to both Charlton Heston's and Michael York's autobiographies, the actors did not learn there would be two films until the premiere of the first one, THE THREE MUSKETEERS. Heston writes that the leading actors were incensed at having done two films ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Howard Brazee at March 15, 2008, 4:54 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | In article <b53b1062-d193-47de-8337-74d4edbe83c2@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, leo86@my-deja.com wrote: Quote:Okay, here's what it says in the book, "Memo from Darryl F. Zanuck": "Although originally envisioned by Zanuck as a four-hour Technicolor production to be photographed in Wales, the war in Europe and New York's adamant stand made it necessary to reduce the length of the script, abandon Technicolor and do the exterior shooting at the Fox ranch in Malibu Canyon." Even with all its awards, it would have been better showing the green of Wales. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Howard Brazee at March 15, 2008, 4:51 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:Or _The Three Musketeers_ going too long and being split into two movies. Oh, shoot, is that what happened? I read at the time the actors were tricked by overshooting so they didn't have to pay them for two films. Print the legend. Both can be true. I've heard that they didn't intend to make two movies, but when they ended up going to two movies, they also didn't intend to pay the actors what they would have demanded for two movies - so they sued. Maybe someone here can tell what I said is accurate. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: dgates at March 15, 2008, 12:44 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | On Sat, 15 Mar 2008 09:24:36 -0700 (PDT), Tom Nawrocki wrote: Quote:On Mar 13, 6:43 pm, jessica_smith_nyc wrote: Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. One suspects that "Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins" falls into this category. When I see a title with a colon, it often looks to me like the filmmakers were hoping for the start of a franchise. There was a film called "Ballistic: Ecks Vs. Sever," and I suspect that the plan was that, if it were a hit, they could release many more "Ballistic: Whoever Vs. Whoever" movies. The title "Lara Croft: Tomb Raider" looks like that as well, although they didn't end up naming the sequel "Lara Croft: The Cradle of Life," but rather "Lara Croft Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life." | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Anim8rFSK at March 15, 2008, 12:08 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:On Mar 13, 6:43 pm, jessica_smith_nyc wrote: Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. One suspects that "Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins" falls into this category. "King Solomon's Mines," an Indiana Jones ripoff, was filmed concurrently with its sequel, "Allan Quatermain and the Lost City of Gold." But the first one was a flop, and I'm not sure the sequel even got a proper release. Tom Nawrocki There are those that would argue that not being released WAS a 'proper release' -- Star Trek 09: No Shat, No Show. http://www.disneysub.com/board/noshat.jpg | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Tom Nawrocki at March 15, 2008, 6:24 am | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 13, 6:43 pm, jessica_smith_nyc wrote: Quote:Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. One suspects that "Remo Williams: The Adventure Begins" falls into this category. "King Solomon's Mines," an Indiana Jones ripoff, was filmed concurrently with its sequel, "Allan Quatermain and the Lost City of Gold." But the first one was a flop, and I'm not sure the sequel even got a proper release. Tom Nawrocki | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Guest at March 15, 2008, 1:27 am | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 14, 2:12 pm, Howard Brazee wrote: Quote:In article 3e954590-bfe0-43ba-98f9-6868d751c...@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, le...@my-deja.com wrote: I've never heard that about HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY. That sounds odd to me. Where did you hear it? It was written in the frontspiece of my DvD. Okay, here's what it says in the book, "Memo from Darryl F. Zanuck": "Although originally envisioned by Zanuck as a four-hour Technicolor production to be photographed in Wales, the war in Europe and New York's adamant stand made it necessary to reduce the length of the script, abandon Technicolor and do the exterior shooting at the Fox ranch in Malibu Canyon." It also says, "A few months passed. Finally Zanuck convinced those in New York to let the picture be reactivated at a cost not to exceed $1 millin and with a now available John Ford to handle the direction." The reference to "New York's adamant stand" refers to Fox's corporate headquarters which refused to greenlight the film at this early stage, partly because... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Anim8rFSK at March 15, 2008, 1:18 am | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:Howard Brazee wrote: Or _The Three Musketeers_ going too long and being split into two movies. Oh, shoot, is that what happened? I read at the time the actors were tricked by overshooting so they didn't have to pay them for two films. Print the legend. Yeah, the 'actors were tricked' story comes up because the same thing happened with the same producers and one director and Superman 1 & 2. I have NO idea what the truth is. IIRC (I only saw it original run in the theaters) 'The Four Musketeers' was awful by comparison, and full of shots that looked like they were lifted from discarded workprint. It didn't feel like a planned second film at all, but like they shot a film and a half, and padded out the second part to full length. -- Star Trek 09: No Shat, No Show. http://www.disneysub.com/board/noshat.jpg | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Anim8rFSK at March 15, 2008, 1:16 am | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:Tom Nawrocki wrote: On Mar 13, 2:58 pm, Howard Brazee wrote: I'd like to learn more about film-making decisions that weren't made for reasons of art nor money that are interesting to know. There's the famous story from "Raiders of the Lost Ark," where Harrison Ford was too weak from dysentery to have the planned sword- and-bullwhip duel, so they just had him pull put his pistol and shoot the swordsman instead. In _Road to Morocco_ a camel spits at Bob Hope and Bing Crosby breaks up. The director, David Butler, decided it was too funny not to keep. During one of the lulls of shooting _White Christmas_, Crosby and Danny Kaye were clowning around and did a drag version of Rosemary Clooney and Vera-Ellen singing "Sisters". The director, Michael Curtiz, decided to incorporate it into the film. During the filming of Jane Russell's song "Ain't There Anyone Here for Love?" in _Gentlemen Prefer Blondes_, she is accidentally knocked into the swimming pool. It was, nevertheless, the best take of ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Anim8rFSK at March 15, 2008, 1:07 am | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. Joe Johnston, director of The Rocketeer, was signed for 3 films. When asked if he was looking forward to the sequels if the first one made enough money, he replied, on set, for the record, that he'd fake his own death before he'd work for Katzenberg again. Of course, a week after The Rocketeer came out, T2 was released, obliterating everything in it's path for the rest of the summer. -- Star Trek 09: No Shat, No Show. http://www.disneysub.com/board/noshat.jpg | | Static Link |
| Posted by: No Man at March 14, 2008, 11:40 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | Howard Brazee wrote: Quote:Or _The Three Musketeers_ going too long and being split into two movies. Oh, shoot, is that what happened? I read at the time the actors were tricked by overshooting so they didn't have to pay them for two films. Print the legend. -- ubi dubium ibi libertas "Freedom is in Doubt" http://tremonius.blogspot.com/ | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Howard Brazee at March 14, 2008, 2:13 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. Or _The Three Musketeers_ going too long and being split into two movies. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Howard Brazee at March 14, 2008, 2:12 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | In article <3e954590-bfe0-43ba-98f9-6868d751ca00@8g2000hse.googlegroups.com>, leo86@my-deja.com wrote: Quote:I've never heard that about HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY. That sounds odd to me. Where did you hear it? It was written in the frontspiece of my DvD. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Frank R.A.J. Maloney at March 14, 2008, 12:22 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | Tom Nawrocki wrote: Quote:On Mar 13, 2:58 pm, Howard Brazee wrote: I'd like to learn more about film-making decisions that weren't made for reasons of art nor money that are interesting to know. There's the famous story from "Raiders of the Lost Ark," where Harrison Ford was too weak from dysentery to have the planned sword- and-bullwhip duel, so they just had him pull put his pistol and shoot the swordsman instead. In _Road to Morocco_ a camel spits at Bob Hope and Bing Crosby breaks up. The director, David Butler, decided it was too funny not to keep. During one of the lulls of shooting _White Christmas_, Crosby and Danny Kaye were clowning around and did a drag version of Rosemary Clooney and Vera-Ellen singing "Sisters". The director, Michael Curtiz, decided to incorporate it into the film. During the filming of Jane Russell's song "Ain't There Anyone Here for Love?" in _Gentlemen Prefer Blondes_, she is accidentally knocked into the swimming pool. It was, nevertheless, the best take of the Olympic athlet... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jim Beaver at March 14, 2008, 12:03 am | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | "Sean O'Hara" <seanohara@gmail.com> wrote in message news:63tqbaF29214aU1@mid.individual.net... Quote:In the Year of the Earth Rat, the Great and Powerful Howard Brazee declared: I've also heard that the reason _Psycho_ was B&W so that Hitch could use chocolate syrup in the shower scene. But I've also heard money played a large part of that decision. Hitch tells whatever story he wants to tell. The latter is true insofar as the concept behind "Psycho" was that Hitch would make a low-budget film using the crew of his TV show. But the decision to go low-budget was all Hitch's. A.C. Lyles told me that John Ford asked him why Paramount never hired him to direct anything. Lyles answered jokingly that Paramount couldn't afford to hire Ford. Ford replied that he'd do a picture for Paramount for the same budget as the cheapest film currently on Paramount's schedule. Which is how THE MAN WHO SHOT LIBERTY VALANCE came to be shot in black-and-white mostly on soundstages. Or so the story goes. Jim Beaver | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Steven L. at March 13, 2008, 9:28 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | Howard Brazee wrote: Quote:I'd like to learn more about film-making decisions that weren't made for reasons of art nor money that are interesting to know. An example is filming _How Green Was My Valley_ in B&W because they had to switch from filming in Wales to California due to the Germans bombing Britain. (California hills were not nearly green enough). I've also heard that the reason _Psycho_ was B&W so that Hitch could use chocolate syrup in the shower scene. But I've also heard money played a large part of that decision. Hitch tells whatever story he wants to tell. A whole class of film-making decisions that are art/cost neutral (for most of us), is the deliberate placement of "inside jokes" or "Easter eggs" in the movie, which only industry insiders are likely to notice. For example, in "The Incredibles," the face of the villain, Syndrome, deliberately resembles the face of the movie's producer, Brad Bird. And the name of the Incredible family's baby, Jack-Jack, is the same nickname as that of B... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Steven L. at March 13, 2008, 9:18 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | Tom Nawrocki wrote: Quote:On Mar 13, 2:58 pm, Howard Brazee wrote: I'd like to learn more about film-making decisions that weren't made for reasons of art nor money that are interesting to know. There's the famous story from "Raiders of the Lost Ark," where Harrison Ford was too weak from dysentery to have the planned sword- and-bullwhip duel, so they just had him pull put his pistol and shoot the swordsman instead. There are a zillion examples of improvised scenes or improvised dialogue in movies. But in many of those, the director chooses to leave the scene in the movie because it actually improved the art of the movie. That was certainly true with the "Raiders" scene--they realized it played better than what was in the script. I think the OP is looking for decisions that were art and cost neutral. -- Steven L. Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: David Oberman at March 13, 2008, 5:22 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | Howard Brazee wrote: Quote:An example is filming _How Green Was My Valley_ in B&W because they had to switch from filming in Wales to California due to the Germans bombing Britain. (California hills were not nearly green enough). I've also heard that the reason _Psycho_ was B&W so that Hitch could use chocolate syrup in the shower scene. But I've also heard money played a large part of that decision. Hitch tells whatever story he wants to tell. Olivier is amusing when he tells Melvyn Bragg that, no, it wasn't to make it look like an "engraving" that "Hamlet" was filmed in B&W -- it was cheaper. ____ In skating over thin ice, our safety is in our speed. -- Emerson | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Howard Brazee at March 13, 2008, 3:58 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | I'd like to learn more about film-making decisions that weren't made for reasons of art nor money that are interesting to know. An example is filming _How Green Was My Valley_ in B&W because they had to switch from filming in Wales to California due to the Germans bombing Britain. (California hills were not nearly green enough). I've also heard that the reason _Psycho_ was B&W so that Hitch could use chocolate syrup in the shower scene. But I've also heard money played a large part of that decision. Hitch tells whatever story he wants to tell. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: nick at March 13, 2008, 3:58 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 13, 4:58�pm, Howard Brazee wrote: Quote:I'd like to learn more about film-making decisions that weren't made for reasons of art nor money that are interesting to know. An example is filming _How Green Was My Valley_ in B&W because they had to switch from filming in Wales to California due to the Germans bombing Britain. � (California hills were not nearly green enough). I've also heard that the reason _Psycho_ was B&W so that Hitch could use chocolate syrup in the shower scene. � But I've also heard money played a large part of that decision. �Hitch tells whatever story he wants to tell. The Birds, if the documentary material on the DVD is to believed, doesn't have a climax because it would have been too expensive to shoot, hence the non-ending. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Guest at March 13, 2008, 3:58 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 13, 4:58 pm, Howard Brazee wrote: Quote:I'd like to learn more about film-making decisions that weren't made for reasons of art nor money that are interesting to know. An example is filming _How Green Was My Valley_ in B&W because they had to switch from filming in Wales to California due to the Germans bombing Britain. (California hills were not nearly green enough). I've also heard that the reason _Psycho_ was B&W so that Hitch could use chocolate syrup in the shower scene. But I've also heard money played a large part of that decision. Hitch tells whatever story he wants to tell. I've never heard that about HOW GREEN WAS MY VALLEY. That sounds odd to me. Where did you hear it? But, getting back to your question: there's a low-angle shot of a train derailing in John Frankenheimer's THE TRAIN (1965). On location in France, there were seven camera crews lined up to shoot the train derailing, but only six were given positions. The seventh camera operator came up to Frankenheimer and asked, ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Tom Nawrocki at March 13, 2008, 3:58 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 13, 2:58 pm, Howard Brazee wrote: Quote:I'd like to learn more about film-making decisions that weren't made for reasons of art nor money that are interesting to know. There's the famous story from "Raiders of the Lost Ark," where Harrison Ford was too weak from dysentery to have the planned sword- and-bullwhip duel, so they just had him pull put his pistol and shoot the swordsman instead. Tom Nawrocki | | Static Link |
| Posted by: jessica_smith_nyc at March 13, 2008, 3:58 pm | | Topic: Interesting film making decisions Forum: groupsrv | | Interesting topic.......I've heard of some movies that were made to be trilogies but never had the success at the box office to get funding for the 2nd and 3rd versions. ---- http://www.moviesitearchive.com On Mar 13, 1:58 pm, Howard Brazee wrote: Quote:I'd like to learn more about film-making decisions that weren't made for reasons of art nor money that are interesting to know. An example is filming _How Green Was My Valley_ in B&W because they had to switch from filming in Wales to California due to the Germans bombing Britain. (California hills were not nearly green enough). I've also heard that the reason _Psycho_ was B&W so that Hitch could use chocolate syrup in the shower scene. But I've also heard money played a large part of that decision. Hitch tells whatever story he wants to tell. | | Static Link |
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