| Posted by: moviePig at March 17, 2008, 5:55 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 17, 5:31 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:Invid Fan wrote: In article wrote: Are you peeping in my bathroom window? My penis IS white! Yes, but you're American Indian so you'd probably better see a Doctor about that :) But I'm NOT an American Indian. I'm not. How did you ever get that idea? Come on. It's common knowledge you were sworn into office using a peace pipe... -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at March 17, 2008, 5:31 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | Invid Fan wrote: Quote:In article wrote: Are you peeping in my bathroom window? My penis IS white! Yes, but you're American Indian so you'd probably better see a Doctor about that But I'm NOT an American Indian. I'm not. How did you ever get that idea? --
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| Posted by: Invid Fan at March 17, 2008, 11:32 am | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:Red Cloud wrote: You don't even know what racism is. Did you ever saw the Hollywood and media before 1980's how they treated non-white and now-jew people? I guess you deny Hollywood racial stereotype against Native America, Asian, etc. HOllywood is controlled by Jews and Anglo. Which color penis should it be controlled by? Don't know, but this would explain why gays are attracted to Hollywood... -- Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us. 'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us." -'Deal/No Deal', CHESS | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Invid Fan at March 17, 2008, 11:31 am | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:Are you peeping in my bathroom window? My penis IS white! Yes, but you're American Indian so you'd probably better see a Doctor about that :) -- Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us. 'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us." -'Deal/No Deal', CHESS | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at March 17, 2008, 5:29 am | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | Red Cloud wrote: Quote:On Mar 16, 12:13 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 16, 3:33 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 1:02 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 12:07 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 11:03 am, Alric Knebel wrote: I saw INTO THE WILD for two reasons. First, I saw that tearful clip of Hal Holbrook on the Oscar show. Second, I trust Sean Penn. He's a conscientious man in all areas of his life, from his politics to his art, probably believing that there really is such a thing as a higher consciousness (a view I share), and it's the moral duty of every conscientious human being to seek it. But there's ANOTHER another side of his personality that comes from street-smart toughness. Ignorant as I was of the source material, from which Penn wrote the screenplay, I assumed from the TITLE of the film that it would bear the imprint of the darker side of his personality. Instead, it was a film about sacrificing everything else for spiritual t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: rick++ at March 17, 2008, 4:50 am | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | A second movie based on the book, a documentary called "Call of the Wild", is not so sympathetic to the McCandlis character. It can be pruchased from the terraincognita.com website. I saw it and talkded the director at a film festival. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: rick++ at March 17, 2008, 4:48 am | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | I've run into a number of people, including mydself, who had complete empathy with Chris's feelings. Though few of us were that drastic. The movie cuts the part of the book where the author- a sports writer- talks about his similar feelings. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Red Cloud at March 16, 2008, 8:25 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 16, 12:13 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 16, 3:33 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 1:02 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 12:07 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 11:03 am, Alric Knebel wrote: I saw INTO THE WILD for two reasons. First, I saw that tearful clip of Hal Holbrook on the Oscar show. Second, I trust Sean Penn. He's a conscientious man in all areas of his life, from his politics to his art, probably believing that there really is such a thing as a higher consciousness (a view I share), and it's the moral duty of every conscientious human being to seek it. But there's ANOTHER another side of his personality that comes from street-smart toughness. Ignorant as I was of the source material, from which Penn wrote the screenplay, I assumed from the TITLE of the film that it would bear the imprint of the darker side of his personality. Instead, it was a film about sacrificing everything else for spiritual truths. For some r... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at March 16, 2008, 3:13 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | Red Cloud wrote: Quote:On Mar 16, 3:33 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 1:02 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 12:07 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 11:03 am, Alric Knebel wrote: I saw INTO THE WILD for two reasons. First, I saw that tearful clip of Hal Holbrook on the Oscar show. Second, I trust Sean Penn. He's a conscientious man in all areas of his life, from his politics to his art, probably believing that there really is such a thing as a higher consciousness (a view I share), and it's the moral duty of every conscientious human being to seek it. But there's ANOTHER another side of his personality that comes from street-smart toughness. Ignorant as I was of the source material, from which Penn wrote the screenplay, I assumed from the TITLE of the film that it would bear the imprint of the darker side of his personality. Instead, it was a film about sacrificing everything else for spiritual truths. For some reason, at the beginning of the film, upon... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Red Cloud at March 16, 2008, 8:11 am | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 16, 3:33 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 1:02 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 12:07 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 11:03 am, Alric Knebel wrote: I saw INTO THE WILD for two reasons. First, I saw that tearful clip of Hal Holbrook on the Oscar show. Second, I trust Sean Penn. He's a conscientious man in all areas of his life, from his politics to his art, probably believing that there really is such a thing as a higher consciousness (a view I share), and it's the moral duty of every conscientious human being to seek it. But there's ANOTHER another side of his personality that comes from street-smart toughness. Ignorant as I was of the source material, from which Penn wrote the screenplay, I assumed from the TITLE of the film that it would bear the imprint of the darker side of his personality. Instead, it was a film about sacrificing everything else for spiritual truths. For some reason, at the beginning of the film, upon meeting the cent... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: trotsky at March 16, 2008, 7:28 am | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | Red Cloud wrote: Quote:On Mar 15, 1:02 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 12:07 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 11:03 am, Alric Knebel wrote: I saw INTO THE WILD for two reasons. First, I saw that tearful clip of Hal Holbrook on the Oscar show. Second, I trust Sean Penn. He's a conscientious man in all areas of his life, from his politics to his art, probably believing that there really is such a thing as a higher consciousness (a view I share), and it's the moral duty of every conscientious human being to seek it. But there's ANOTHER another side of his personality that comes from street-smart toughness. Ignorant as I was of the source material, from which Penn wrote the screenplay, I assumed from the TITLE of the film that it would bear the imprint of the darker side of his personality. Instead, it was a film about sacrificing everything else for spiritual truths. For some reason, at the beginning of the film, upon meeting the central character Chris McCandless (Emile Hi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at March 16, 2008, 7:04 am | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | moviePig wrote: Quote:On Mar 15, 2:03 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: I saw INTO THE WILD for two reasons. First, I saw that tearful clip of Hal Holbrook on the Oscar show. Second, I trust Sean Penn. He's a conscientious man in all areas of his life, from his politics to his art, probably believing that there really is such a thing as a higher consciousness (a view I share), and it's the moral duty of every conscientious human being to seek it. But there's ANOTHER another side of his personality that comes from street-smart toughness. Ignorant as I was of the source material, from which Penn wrote the screenplay, I assumed from the TITLE of the film that it would bear the imprint of the darker side of his personality. Instead, it was a film about sacrificing everything else for spiritual truths. For some reason, at the beginning of the film, upon meeting the central character Chris McCandless (Emile Hirsh), I was unable to connect to his spiritual and emotional woes. For one, I wasn't sure what his motivation was for... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at March 16, 2008, 6:37 am | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | nick wrote: Quote:On Mar 15, 6:27�pm, Alric Knebel wrote: nick wrote: On Mar 15, 3:59� pm, Alric Knebel wrote: nick wrote: On Mar 15, 3:16�pm, william wrote: On Mar 15, 3:03 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: �For another, there's a thin line between adamantine idealism and mental illness; so there's that. What spiritual discovery? To me, this was the flip side of Agnes Varda's Vagabond. Vagabond was the depressive down to Into The Wild's manic up. Into The Wild should have been shot as a film noir. How anybody finds Into The Wild valuable beyond its obvious cautionary tale quality escapes me. Williamwww.williamahearn.com I think the *manic up* might be illusory, whether Penn intended that or not--a surface level hippie Jesus freak retro-love generation flick masking cautionary noir subtexts. � It's telling that in the Iconoclasts episode on The Sundance Channel devoted to Christopher McCandles and Into the Wild, Penn and Krakauer concede the possibility that McCandless' larger goal may have been celebrity and... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at March 16, 2008, 6:33 am | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | Red Cloud wrote: Quote:On Mar 15, 1:02 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 12:07 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 11:03 am, Alric Knebel wrote: I saw INTO THE WILD for two reasons. First, I saw that tearful clip of Hal Holbrook on the Oscar show. Second, I trust Sean Penn. He's a conscientious man in all areas of his life, from his politics to his art, probably believing that there really is such a thing as a higher consciousness (a view I share), and it's the moral duty of every conscientious human being to seek it. But there's ANOTHER another side of his personality that comes from street-smart toughness. Ignorant as I was of the source material, from which Penn wrote the screenplay, I assumed from the TITLE of the film that it would bear the imprint of the darker side of his personality. Instead, it was a film about sacrificing everything else for spiritual truths. For some reason, at the beginning of the film, upon meeting the central character Chris McCandless (Emile Hi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Flasherly at March 16, 2008, 4:26 am | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 15, 4:19 pm, Red Cloud wrote: Quote:On Mar 15, 12:07 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 11:03 am, Alric Knebel wrote: I saw INTO THE WILD for two reasons. First, I saw that tearful clip of Hal Holbrook on the Oscar show. Second, I trust Sean Penn. He's a conscientious man in all areas of his life, from his politics to his art, probably believing that there really is such a thing as a higher consciousness (a view I share), and it's the moral duty of every conscientious human being to seek it. But there's ANOTHER another side of his personality that comes from street-smart toughness. Ignorant as I was of the source material, from which Penn wrote the screenplay, I assumed from the TITLE of the film that it would bear the imprint of the darker side of his personality. Instead, it was a film about sacrificing everything else for spiritual truths. For some reason, at the beginning of the film, upon meeting the central character Chris McCandless (Emile Hirsh), I was unable to connect to his ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: nick at March 16, 2008, 2:58 am | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 16, 7:37 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:nick wrote: On Mar 15, 6:27�pm, Alric Knebel wrote: nick wrote: On Mar 15, 3:59� pm, Alric Knebel wrote: nick wrote: On Mar 15, 3:16�pm, william wrote: On Mar 15, 3:03 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: �For another, there's a thin line between adamantine idealism and mental illness; so there's that. What spiritual discovery? To me, this was the flip side of Agnes Varda's Vagabond. Vagabond was the depressive down to Into The Wild's manic up. Into The Wild should have been shot as a film noir. How anybody finds Into The Wild valuable beyond its obvious cautionary tale quality escapes me. Williamwww.williamahearn.com I think the *manic up* might be illusory, whether Penn intended that or not--a surface level hippie Jesus freak retro-love generation flick masking cautionary noir subtexts. � It's telling that in the Iconoclasts episode on The Sundance Channel devoted to Christopher McCandles and Into the Wild, Penn and Krakauer concede the possibility that McCandless... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: nick at March 16, 2008, 1:31 am | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 15, 6:27�pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:nick wrote: On Mar 15, 3:59� pm, Alric Knebel wrote: nick wrote: On Mar 15, 3:16�pm, william wrote: On Mar 15, 3:03 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: �For another, there's a thin line between adamantine idealism and mental illness; so there's that. What spiritual discovery? To me, this was the flip side of Agnes Varda's Vagabond. Vagabond was the depressive down to Into The Wild's manic up. Into The Wild should have been shot as a film noir. How anybody finds Into The Wild valuable beyond its obvious cautionary tale quality escapes me. Williamwww.williamahearn.com I think the *manic up* might be illusory, whether Penn intended that or not--a surface level hippie Jesus freak retro-love generation flick masking cautionary noir subtexts. � It's telling that in the Iconoclasts episode on The Sundance Channel devoted to Christopher McCandles and Into the Wild, Penn and Krakauer concede the possibility that McCandless' larger goal may have been celebrity and a book deal... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at March 15, 2008, 5:28 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | william wrote: Quote:On Mar 15, 5:22 pm, nick wrote: He's indifferent to the cruelty he acts on his parents and he's oblivious to where Holbrook's character is coming from but when it comes to the advances of a minor, he's positively wholesome. He's indifferent to anything but himself and his fantasies. He does use her to help him perform the music that he portrays as a selfless act for her. I think I would have had more feeling for the character if the film had been Ernest Goes To Alaska. I did not like McCandless in the film at all and so his demise didn't have the tragedy -- if that was what Penn was going for -- to make the trip worthwhile. William www.williamahearn.com Well, I see I wasn't the only one who didn't connect with him. --
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| Posted by: Alric Knebel at March 15, 2008, 5:27 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | nick wrote: Quote:On Mar 15, 3:59 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: nick wrote: On Mar 15, 3:16�pm, william wrote: On Mar 15, 3:03 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: �For another, there's a thin line between adamantine idealism and mental illness; so there's that. What spiritual discovery? To me, this was the flip side of Agnes Varda's Vagabond. Vagabond was the depressive down to Into The Wild's manic up. Into The Wild should have been shot as a film noir. How anybody finds Into The Wild valuable beyond its obvious cautionary tale quality escapes me. Williamwww.williamahearn.com I think the *manic up* might be illusory, whether Penn intended that or not--a surface level hippie Jesus freak retro-love generation flick masking cautionary noir subtexts.  It's telling that in the Iconoclasts episode on The Sundance Channel devoted to Christopher McCandles and Into the Wild, Penn and Krakauer concede the possibility that McCandless' larger goal may have been celebrity and a book deal. He sure didn't plan on spending the rest of ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at March 15, 2008, 4:11 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | william wrote: Quote:On Mar 15, 3:29 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: You must have missed the ending then, when the epiphany came. This guy wanted life as a PURE experience. If you notice, that's why he went to Alaska. I'm serious here and not being sarcastic and I mention that because sometimes my posts don't sound the way they were written. To me, the epiphany came in checking the plant book *after* eating the poisonous weeds. It may be possible to get away from the jets in some frozen tundra in Siberia or deep crevice in Antarctica but wherever you go, there you are. He would never be wild, feral or indigenous. Getting there can't be imitated; it isn't intuitive. That's what the planes said to me. The plane isn't from where he came from, it's who he is. William www.williamahearn.com And I agree. But at the moment he realized life had to be SHARED, that was the epiphany, the point at which he tried to leave and return to civilization. He'd forgiven his parents and realized this whole thing wasn't necessary. But up ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at March 15, 2008, 4:02 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | Red Cloud wrote: Quote:On Mar 15, 12:07 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 11:03 am, Alric Knebel wrote: I saw INTO THE WILD for two reasons. First, I saw that tearful clip of Hal Holbrook on the Oscar show. Second, I trust Sean Penn. He's a conscientious man in all areas of his life, from his politics to his art, probably believing that there really is such a thing as a higher consciousness (a view I share), and it's the moral duty of every conscientious human being to seek it. But there's ANOTHER another side of his personality that comes from street-smart toughness. Ignorant as I was of the source material, from which Penn wrote the screenplay, I assumed from the TITLE of the film that it would bear the imprint of the darker side of his personality. Instead, it was a film about sacrificing everything else for spiritual truths. For some reason, at the beginning of the film, upon meeting the central character Chris McCandless (Emile Hirsh), I was unable to connect to his spiritual and emotio... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Dennis M at March 15, 2008, 3:29 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:INTO THE WILD is a leftist hippie fantasy movie. I can't belive the leftist goons putting so much weight on this movie. I was bit disappointed at plot. There is no character here just a plot of the free-ride moving state state to fulfill hippie fantasy. It's all about American leftist hippie ideology. I do not see as a searching for spiritual truth. He was searching for the hippie truth which is solely American ideology. Chris should go to Nepal or india. There is you can experience the spiritual truth. Sounds like Limbaugh must have done an entire segment on this "leftist hippie fantasy movie" one time and/or you're a typical rightwing fruit who's only interested in tearing down Sean Penn for his past political positions instead of giving an objective analysis of his film. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at March 15, 2008, 3:14 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | Red Cloud wrote: Quote:On Mar 15, 11:59 am, Alric Knebel wrote: nick wrote: On Mar 15, 3:16�pm, william wrote: On Mar 15, 3:03 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: �For another, there's a thin line between adamantine idealism and mental illness; so there's that. What spiritual discovery? To me, this was the flip side of Agnes Varda's Vagabond. Vagabond was the depressive down to Into The Wild's manic up. Into The Wild should have been shot as a film noir. How anybody finds Into The Wild valuable beyond its obvious cautionary tale quality escapes me. Williamwww.williamahearn.com I think the *manic up* might be illusory, whether Penn intended that or not--a surface level hippie Jesus freak retro-love generation flick masking cautionary noir subtexts. It's telling that in the Iconoclasts episode on The Sundance Channel devoted to Christopher McCandles and Into the Wild, Penn and Krakauer concede the possibility that McCandless' larger goal may have been celebrity and a book deal. He sure didn't plan on spending the rest ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at March 15, 2008, 3:07 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | Red Cloud wrote: Quote:On Mar 15, 11:03 am, Alric Knebel wrote: I saw INTO THE WILD for two reasons. First, I saw that tearful clip of Hal Holbrook on the Oscar show. Second, I trust Sean Penn. He's a conscientious man in all areas of his life, from his politics to his art, probably believing that there really is such a thing as a higher consciousness (a view I share), and it's the moral duty of every conscientious human being to seek it. But there's ANOTHER another side of his personality that comes from street-smart toughness. Ignorant as I was of the source material, from which Penn wrote the screenplay, I assumed from the TITLE of the film that it would bear the imprint of the darker side of his personality. Instead, it was a film about sacrificing everything else for spiritual truths. For some reason, at the beginning of the film, upon meeting the central character Chris McCandless (Emile Hirsh), I was unable to connect to his spiritual and emotional woes. For one, I wasn't sure what his motivation was f... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at March 15, 2008, 2:59 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | nick wrote: Quote:On Mar 15, 3:16�pm, william wrote: On Mar 15, 3:03 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: �For another, there's a thin line between adamantine idealism and mental illness; so there's that. What spiritual discovery? To me, this was the flip side of Agnes Varda's Vagabond. Vagabond was the depressive down to Into The Wild's manic up. Into The Wild should have been shot as a film noir. How anybody finds Into The Wild valuable beyond its obvious cautionary tale quality escapes me. Williamwww.williamahearn.com I think the *manic up* might be illusory, whether Penn intended that or not--a surface level hippie Jesus freak retro-love generation flick masking cautionary noir subtexts. It's telling that in the Iconoclasts episode on The Sundance Channel devoted to Christopher McCandles and Into the Wild, Penn and Krakauer concede the possibility that McCandless' larger goal may have been celebrity and a book deal. He sure didn't plan on spending the rest of his years in the wild. And Krakauer says Alaskans think... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at March 15, 2008, 2:29 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | william wrote: Quote:On Mar 15, 3:03 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: For another, there's a thin line between adamantine idealism and mental illness; so there's that. What spiritual discovery? To me, this was the flip side of Agnes Varda's Vagabond. Vagabond was the depressive down to Into The Wild's manic up. Into The Wild should have been shot as a film noir. How anybody finds Into The Wild valuable beyond its obvious cautionary tale quality escapes me. You must have missed the ending then, when the epiphany came. This guy wanted life as a PURE experience. If you notice, that's why he went to Alaska. CALL OF THE WILD, how the dog triumphed when he became feral, was a book he referenced. He kept looking up and seeing jets. He wanted to get far, far away from anything that separated him from the most direct experience to some core reality. And while I can see why you'd think it's JUST a cautionary tale, film noir it obviously is not. --
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| Posted by: Alric Knebel at March 15, 2008, 2:03 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | I saw INTO THE WILD for two reasons. First, I saw that tearful clip of Hal Holbrook on the Oscar show. Second, I trust Sean Penn. He's a conscientious man in all areas of his life, from his politics to his art, probably believing that there really is such a thing as a higher consciousness (a view I share), and it's the moral duty of every conscientious human being to seek it. But there's ANOTHER another side of his personality that comes from street-smart toughness. Ignorant as I was of the source material, from which Penn wrote the screenplay, I assumed from the TITLE of the film that it would bear the imprint of the darker side of his personality. Instead, it was a film about sacrificing everything else for spiritual truths. For some reason, at the beginning of the film, upon meeting the central character Chris McCandless (Emile Hirsh), I was unable to connect to his spiritual and emotional woes. For one, I wasn't sure what his motivation was for this spiritual search, and that he might be sublimating his f... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at March 15, 2008, 2:03 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 15, 2:03 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:I saw INTO THE WILD for two reasons. First, I saw that tearful clip of Hal Holbrook on the Oscar show. Second, I trust Sean Penn. He's a conscientious man in all areas of his life, from his politics to his art, probably believing that there really is such a thing as a higher consciousness (a view I share), and it's the moral duty of every conscientious human being to seek it. But there's ANOTHER another side of his personality that comes from street-smart toughness. Ignorant as I was of the source material, from which Penn wrote the screenplay, I assumed from the TITLE of the film that it would bear the imprint of the darker side of his personality. Instead, it was a film about sacrificing everything else for spiritual truths. For some reason, at the beginning of the film, upon meeting the central character Chris McCandless (Emile Hirsh), I was unable to connect to his spiritual and emotional woes. For one, I wasn't sure what his motivation was for this spi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at March 15, 2008, 2:03 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 15, 4:22 pm, nick wrote: Quote:On Mar 15, 3:59 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: nick wrote: On Mar 15, 3:16�pm, william wrote: On Mar 15, 3:03 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: �For another, there's a thin line between adamantine idealism and mental illness; so there's that. What spiritual discovery? To me, this was the flip side of Agnes Varda's Vagabond. Vagabond was the depressive down to Into The Wild's manic up. Into The Wild should have been shot as a film noir. How anybody finds Into The Wild valuable beyond its obvious cautionary tale quality escapes me. Williamwww.williamahearn.com I think the *manic up* might be illusory, whether Penn intended that or not--a surface level hippie Jesus freak retro-love generation flick masking cautionary noir subtexts.  It's telling that in the Iconoclasts episode on The Sundance Channel devoted to Christopher McCandles and Into the Wild, Penn and Krakauer concede the possibility that McCandless' larger goal may have been celebrity and a book deal. He sure didn't plan on ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: william at March 15, 2008, 2:03 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 15, 5:22 pm, nick wrote: Quote:He's indifferent to the cruelty he acts on his parents and he's oblivious to where Holbrook's character is coming from but when it comes to the advances of a minor, he's positively wholesome. He's indifferent to anything but himself and his fantasies. He does use her to help him perform the music that he portrays as a selfless act for her. I think I would have had more feeling for the character if the film had been Ernest Goes To Alaska. I did not like McCandless in the film at all and so his demise didn't have the tragedy -- if that was what Penn was going for -- to make the trip worthwhile. William www.williamahearn.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: nick at March 15, 2008, 2:03 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 15, 3:59 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:nick wrote: On Mar 15, 3:16�pm, william wrote: On Mar 15, 3:03 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: �For another, there's a thin line between adamantine idealism and mental illness; so there's that. What spiritual discovery? To me, this was the flip side of Agnes Varda's Vagabond. Vagabond was the depressive down to Into The Wild's manic up. Into The Wild should have been shot as a film noir. How anybody finds Into The Wild valuable beyond its obvious cautionary tale quality escapes me. Williamwww.williamahearn.com I think the *manic up* might be illusory, whether Penn intended that or not--a surface level hippie Jesus freak retro-love generation flick masking cautionary noir subtexts.  It's telling that in the Iconoclasts episode on The Sundance Channel devoted to Christopher McCandles and Into the Wild, Penn and Krakauer concede the possibility that McCandless' larger goal may have been celebrity and a book deal. He sure didn't plan on spending the rest of his years in... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Red Cloud at March 15, 2008, 2:03 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 15, 12:29 pm, denn...@dennmac.net (Dennis M) wrote: Quote:In article a6cb0faa-06f9-4026-9d48-4d60272e3...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, Red Cloud wrote: INTO THE WILD is a leftist hippie fantasy movie. I can't belive the leftist goons putting so much weight on this movie. I was bit disappointed at plot. There is no character here just a plot of the free-ride moving state state to fulfill hippie fantasy. It's all about American leftist hippie ideology. I do not see as a searching for spiritual truth. He was searching for the hippie truth which is solely American ideology. Chris should go to Nepal or india. There is you can experience the spiritual truth. Sounds like Limbaugh must have done an entire segment on this "leftist hippie fantasy movie" one time and/or you're a typical rightwing fruit who's only interested in tearing down Sean Penn for his past political positions instead of giving an objective analysis of his film. Sorry Dennis. I don't listen to Limbaugh thing. I'm not Neocon nor republic... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: william at March 15, 2008, 2:03 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 15, 3:29 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:You must have missed the ending then, when the epiphany came. This guy wanted life as a PURE experience. If you notice, that's why he went to Alaska. I'm serious here and not being sarcastic and I mention that because sometimes my posts don't sound the way they were written. To me, the epiphany came in checking the plant book *after* eating the poisonous weeds. It may be possible to get away from the jets in some frozen tundra in Siberia or deep crevice in Antarctica but wherever you go, there you are. He would never be wild, feral or indigenous. Getting there can't be imitated; it isn't intuitive. That's what the planes said to me. The plane isn't from where he came from, it's who he is. William www.williamahearn.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Red Cloud at March 15, 2008, 2:03 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 15, 12:07 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:Red Cloud wrote: On Mar 15, 11:03 am, Alric Knebel wrote: I saw INTO THE WILD for two reasons. First, I saw that tearful clip of Hal Holbrook on the Oscar show. Second, I trust Sean Penn. He's a conscientious man in all areas of his life, from his politics to his art, probably believing that there really is such a thing as a higher consciousness (a view I share), and it's the moral duty of every conscientious human being to seek it. But there's ANOTHER another side of his personality that comes from street-smart toughness. Ignorant as I was of the source material, from which Penn wrote the screenplay, I assumed from the TITLE of the film that it would bear the imprint of the darker side of his personality. Instead, it was a film about sacrificing everything else for spiritual truths. For some reason, at the beginning of the film, upon meeting the central character Chris McCandless (Emile Hirsh), I was unable to connect to his spiritual and emotional woes. For one... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Red Cloud at March 15, 2008, 2:03 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 15, 11:59 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:nick wrote: On Mar 15, 3:16�pm, william wrote: On Mar 15, 3:03 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: �For another, there's a thin line between adamantine idealism and mental illness; so there's that. What spiritual discovery? To me, this was the flip side of Agnes Varda's Vagabond. Vagabond was the depressive down to Into The Wild's manic up. Into The Wild should have been shot as a film noir. How anybody finds Into The Wild valuable beyond its obvious cautionary tale quality escapes me. Williamwww.williamahearn.com I think the *manic up* might be illusory, whether Penn intended that or not--a surface level hippie Jesus freak retro-love generation flick masking cautionary noir subtexts. It's telling that in the Iconoclasts episode on The Sundance Channel devoted to Christopher McCandles and Into the Wild, Penn and Krakauer concede the possibility that McCandless' larger goal may have been celebrity and a book deal. He sure didn't plan on spending the rest of his years in t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Red Cloud at March 15, 2008, 2:03 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 15, 11:03 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:I saw INTO THE WILD for two reasons. First, I saw that tearful clip of Hal Holbrook on the Oscar show. Second, I trust Sean Penn. He's a conscientious man in all areas of his life, from his politics to his art, probably believing that there really is such a thing as a higher consciousness (a view I share), and it's the moral duty of every conscientious human being to seek it. But there's ANOTHER another side of his personality that comes from street-smart toughness. Ignorant as I was of the source material, from which Penn wrote the screenplay, I assumed from the TITLE of the film that it would bear the imprint of the darker side of his personality. Instead, it was a film about sacrificing everything else for spiritual truths. For some reason, at the beginning of the film, upon meeting the central character Chris McCandless (Emile Hirsh), I was unable to connect to his spiritual and emotional woes. For one, I wasn't sure what his motivation was for this spiritual... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: nick at March 15, 2008, 2:03 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 15, 3:16�pm, william wrote: Quote:On Mar 15, 3:03 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: �For another, there's a thin line between adamantine idealism and mental illness; so there's that. What spiritual discovery? To me, this was the flip side of Agnes Varda's Vagabond. Vagabond was the depressive down to Into The Wild's manic up. Into The Wild should have been shot as a film noir. How anybody finds Into The Wild valuable beyond its obvious cautionary tale quality escapes me. Williamwww.williamahearn.com I think the *manic up* might be illusory, whether Penn intended that or not--a surface level hippie Jesus freak retro-love generation flick masking cautionary noir subtexts. It's telling that in the Iconoclasts episode on The Sundance Channel devoted to Christopher McCandles and Into the Wild, Penn and Krakauer concede the possibility that McCandless' larger goal may have been celebrity and a book deal. He sure didn't plan on spending the rest of his years in the wild. And Krakauer says Alaskans think McCandles w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: william at March 15, 2008, 2:03 pm | | Topic: INTO THE WILD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mar 15, 3:03 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote: For another, there's a thin line between adamantine idealism and mental illness; so there's that. What spiritual discovery? To me, this was the flip side of Agnes Varda's Vagabond. Vagabond was the depressive down to Into The Wild's manic up. Into The Wild should have been shot as a film noir. How anybody finds Into The Wild valuable beyond its obvious cautionary tale quality escapes me. William www.williamahearn.com | | Static Link |
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