| Posted by: crappertay at March 28, 2008, 6:36 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | There's only one thing worse than generalising. And that's pretending you respect someone's point of view as an out to an arguement when you've nothing new to bring to the table. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at March 28, 2008, 6:31 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Why are people so biased against generalizing? It's usually a fairly accurate way to depict a group as a whole, and it's fun too. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: JoseMP at March 28, 2008, 6:20 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Hey sorry for the delay. Crappertay, that article you provided comes from wikipedia and anyone can edit that. To be honest, I found the Dragonball and DBZ storyline very entertaining, and if you find it ridiculous, then thats your point of view and I respect it. Josh said: "Enjoy your DBZ though. I will not. " Well thanks. Volante said: "And poor James Marsters...didn't know he was attached to this. Couldn't he get any better job? Like busking?" Did you know that James Masters is a fan of DB and DBZ?. If you didnt know, then know it. Well I think this discussion is over. I hope you guys enjoy whatever you like, but I thing I would appreciate it if you guys stop generalizing and saying all fans of this great series are dumb people who smell bad, because thats so wrong. To finish this: I loved Dragonball and DBZ (GT sucked ass), I saw the epic feeling of its storyline and thats my opinion, you guys hate it and consider it dumb and thats your opinion. I respect that, I hope you respect mine. Good luck. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: UnkaWookie at March 18, 2008, 2:02 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Jeebus. That site is rather scary... You don't have your home address anywhere on the net do you Josh? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: crappertay at March 18, 2008, 1:57 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Okay: Quote: The story revolves around Goku’s grandfather dying from the hands of a demon named Piccolo (James Marsters), and his last request is that he seek out Master Roshi (Chow-Yun Fat), his martial arts master. Goku (Justin Chatwin) goes with Bulma (Emmy Rossum) and together they learn of Piccolo from Master Roshi, who tells them if Piccolo collected all 7 dragonballs he could wish for immortality and conquer the planet. Thus, they must first gather the dragonballs before the evil lord Piccolo does. Along the way they meet Yamcha (Joon Park), a desert bandit who finds them buried in a sand cave. He taunts them, and does not throw them a ladder. But, after over hearing Piccolo’s intentions, he decides to help them in their journey. After many struggles to collect the 7 dragon balls, they eventually collect all of them. Unfortunately, Piccolo is right above them… That's the movie plot. Can you say... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Volante at March 18, 2008, 1:54 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Who says a reviewer's supposed to be unbiased? And poor James Marsters...didn't know he was attached to this. Couldn't he get any better job? Like busking? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at March 18, 2008, 1:50 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by JoseMP) PS2: Next time you talk trash about something and its fans, please do a good research and know about it better, in this case, if you dont know much about DB and DBZ, then avoid talking trash about it. Jose, read through your thing and I think I can sum up my response to everything you said by simply responding to this part this way: No. Enjoy your DBZ though. I will not. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: crappertay at March 18, 2008, 12:01 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Well you've said it all. Dragonball isn't really Dragonball. Not the one most people know about. The Dragonball 99% of the population knows about is the "butchered" american Cartoon network one. The Dragonball you're talking about is the original uncut japanese version that only hardcore anime fans know or care about. I wonder which the American movie will be closer to. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: crappertay at March 18, 2008, 11:54 am | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dragon_...28franchise%29 Dragonball
Quote: The anime series that was produced closely matched the manga that it was based on, but this had the major drawback that the anime would often catch up to the current point in the manga and the animators were left to create additional episodes and situations to allow them time for more source material to be written. Such material in the series was often of a lower quality than the original manga and occasionally would directly contradict information that would be provided in the source material later. This is perhaps unsurprising due to the difficulty of producing 20 minutes of animation each week, with only 14 pages of manga to work from. Dragonball Z
Quote: Like the original Dragon Ball anime, DBZ suffered from the same manga-to-anime pacing problems which resulted in the excess of filler material in the previous anime. In some ways, the problem was more pronounced during the production of DBZ as the increased focus on action re... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: JoseMP at March 18, 2008, 11:17 am | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by crappertay) Well, that was a whole lot of text I'll never read. Why would I want to read up on something that doesn't interest me in the least? That's just perverse. You dont have to. Quote: Originally Posted by crappertay) Oh and when the one of two episodes of ANY show are almost identical and all so inane and pointless and drawn out, why the hell should I bother wasting my life with another 498 just in case. You say that all episodes are the same. Ok, that proof enough to realize you have never seen any episode. You probably saw like 2 minutes of an episode and concluded that all of DB and DBZ was the same. I could explain you why Dragonball is all the contrary of what you are saying. But to explain that I would have to explain the whole plot and sagas and that would take like 3 pages long and you wouldnt want to read that, so ill make this short. Dragon Ball (from Child Goku to Late teen Goku): -If you see the first episode of Dragonball you see a kid (Goku) who lives in the w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Volante at March 17, 2008, 11:11 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by Josh) Seperate him out if you want. I've only see his Alice in Wonderland ripoff, and wasn't particularly impressed by that. It was alright, certainly better than DBZ, but after all the hype over him I was expecting more. Last time I'll say this, I swear: Nausicaa, Castle in the Sky. That is all. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at March 17, 2008, 10:47 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | What I'm saying Faf is that though there may be good Anime out there, most people (me included) will never see it because the impression they've gotten of Anime has been shaped by the really really bad ones, which seem to be the ones that are most prominent in the mainstream. Dragonball Z is the face of anime, and I don't think it's doing it any favors. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Deus Ex Machina at March 17, 2008, 10:34 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by fafhrd) No, and that's my biggest problem. It's the equivalent of them bashing all comedies because of Scary Movie/Epic Movie/Not Another Teen Movie. Yes, there are bad anime. There are also bad movies. It's a fact of life. The way th at they're going at it is a rank overgeneralization that can't sustain itself under factual basis, and they know it. Yeah, but most of the anime I've seen makes me believe that, in your analogy, there are way more Scary Movies than there are good comedies. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: fafhrd at March 17, 2008, 10:28 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by Volante) DBZ makes me sad that I like Slayers (guilty pleasure) and Miyazaki. Slayers is awesome! I really need a Lina Inverse toy, but there are none out there. Sigh. Quote: Originally Posted by Dayoos) So, did we separate Miyazaki from traditional anime? Otherwise I'm conflicted. No, and that's my biggest problem. It's the equivalent of them bashing all comedies because of Scary Movie/Epic Movie/Not Another Teen Movie. Yes, there are bad anime. There are also bad movies. It's a fact of life. The way th at they're going at it is a rank overgeneralization that can't sustain itself under factual basis, and they know it. Fafhrd | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at March 17, 2008, 10:27 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Seperate him out if you want. I've only see his Alice in Wonderland ripoff, and wasn't particularly impressed by that. It was alright, certainly better than DBZ, but after all the hype over him I was expecting more. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Volante at March 17, 2008, 9:18 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | I'm seconding the repedativeness of DBZ. I can't stand Ranma 1/2 either. Each episode's the same. It's like watching Friends. Watch one, you watch them all. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at March 17, 2008, 9:04 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Yeah, no offense Jose but I need a Smizzle version of that. I'll come back and read it later if I have time. Thanks for posting though man. Respect to you for coming in here and posting instead of hiding in the comments section like the others. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: projectionist at March 17, 2008, 8:29 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | now i have a friend. damn i hate sayin that cos he aint a friend anymore since i booted him out of his job. no guilt felt there. he was in my way. i gave him a nudge and he just so happened to fall off the edge. anywho i digress. he was into manga comics and films EXCESSIVELY and he is the typical loser image that makes the stereotype the way it is. Now me, well i only own one piece of anime - ghost in the shell. I appreciate those films for the artistic skill involved. visually they are stunning and the animation is almost a 'knowing nod' to the olden days of hand drawn animation, plus with the occasional well placed hints of CG modernisation that alot of programs heavily rely on these days. I sound like a critic, but its nice to watch something and appreciate the hours someone else has put into it. dont you agree? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: crappertay at March 17, 2008, 8:26 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Well, that was a whole lot of text I'll never read. Why would I want to read up on something that doesn't interest me in the least? That's just perverse. Oh and when the one of two episodes of ANY show are almost identical and all so inane and pointless and drawn out, why the hell should I bother wasting my life with another 498 just in case. AAAAAAAH YOU ARE SCUM YOU MUST DIE!!! (in typical badly dubbed overacted shouty anime style) PREPARE TO MEET YOUR DOOM!!! SOCHIMAKULODO CARD!!! (But not selling trading cards, honest!) {insert not trading card Top Trumps details onscreen} WHOOOOOOOSH BANG DEFENSIVE SHOTOSHITTY CARD!!! {insert not trading card Top Trumps details onscreen} TWONAAAAANG Oh no! You will pay BOOMBOOMTITTYKAKA!!!!! {insert not trading card Top Trumps details onscreen} WHOOOOOOOOOOSH SHOOOOOOOSH BANG Gaaaaaaaah! Damn you spikey haired hero, your cards which aren't trading cards which we aren't trying to sell you may have defeated me this time, but I shall return! Only drawn out over 20 minutes.... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: JoseMP at March 17, 2008, 7:52 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by Josh) Keep waiting. This isn't the Spanish inquisition. I don't have to let you bully me into answering random questions. If you want to discuss DBZ, go ahead though. Ok good, I just wanted to know why you hated DB and DBZ so much and why you loved Transformers. Because im not quite sure why do you hate DB and DBZ so much yet, you havent been specific, but thats fine. I hope you can be a bit more clear in the future. Well ill start. You said: "All the comments I get are either like the one above from JoseMP, people insisting that aren't losers for watching it", but of course you are getting that type of comments, if all you did in your article was talk trash about DB/DBZ and its fans. You didnt do anything else but that. So the reason why most of us are giving you that type of comments is because your whole article was a non-stop insult. So its something you brought to yourself. If you at least had explained a reason or something else, then we wouldnt be defending ourselves too mu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: fafhrd at March 17, 2008, 6:35 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | What's sad is that the comic version of Dragon Ball is actually good. The anime is very........just long. Three episodes just to have one battle. Ugh. Fafhrd | | Static Link |
| Posted by: crappertay at March 17, 2008, 6:30 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Isn't that elitism. Choosing not to like something in your favourite genre because you consider it popular and bad. Choosing to disassociate it. Music fans do it all the time I guess. I am now going to contend that Uwe Boll movies are not actual movies because they suck. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at March 17, 2008, 6:27 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Well it depends on if you consider Dragonball Z and Pokemon anime. They're popular, but people who are fans of what they consider to be the "good" anime often tell me they disavow it and don't consider it anime, because it sucks so much. On the other hand, non-DBZ anime isn't popular at all, except among a cult, niche audience. So maybe prevalent is a good way to describe it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: crappertay at March 17, 2008, 6:25 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | So is anime? It might explain why everyone supports it without actually being able to have a proper defense for it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at March 17, 2008, 5:58 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by crappertay) Chlamydia is popular right now. It doesn't mean it's good. I don't think it's popular, more like prevalent. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at March 17, 2008, 5:39 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Keep waiting. This isn't the Spanish inquisition. I don't have to let you bully me into answering random questions. If you want to discuss DBZ, go ahead though. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: JoseMP at March 17, 2008, 5:35 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Good, so Josh you want a debate?, then lets start one. You want me to explain why are DB and DBZ considered epic and why are they so popular?. Its too long to explain but I will. But before I start, I want you to answer me, why do you hate Dragonball and DBZ (specific reasons), and why do you love Transformers so much. (I dont hate Transformers, I used to watch it and respect it). So lets begin. Waiting for your answer. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: fafhrd at March 17, 2008, 4:12 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by Volante) But it DOES exist. Maybe it's not as prevalent, but it still exists... It does exist, but so does a card game for nearly everything. That doesn't change my answer one whit; Pokemon and Yu Gi Oh have alot to do with their card games while DBZ doesn't. Fafhrd | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at March 17, 2008, 3:05 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | I don't know. I've used the biggest font available on the word "PREVIEW". People think ANYTHING you write on the internet is a "Review". If I write a news story about a movie Woody Allen may do 5 years from now, I'll invariably get a comment from someone who wants to know how I can review a movie that hasn't even been made yet. People, are stupid. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Wiggum at March 17, 2008, 3:03 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Who's paying this 13-year old twerp to review movies he hasn't seen? Yeah! What's with the complete inability to grasp the idea of a preview? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at March 17, 2008, 1:57 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | The thing I'm finding interesting about the half-crazed, outraged responses to my preview from fans, is that NONE of them are actually trying to defend the content of the series. All the comments I get are either like the one above from JoseMP, people insisting that aren't losers for watching it, or they're just comments calling me an idiot. Funny. Apparently the series is indefensible. If you want to like it, fine. I mean I have a lot of guilty pleasure stuff I like too. Go for it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: UnkaWookie at March 17, 2008, 1:17 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | I used to be into the stuff when I was a kid. I loved me some gundam and robotech.... Ever watched Robotech after growing up? Holy carp the japanese are a really repressed culture... Women are people, ya know... Even in the kids shows it is almost like the women/girls are there for tying up with ropes and tentacles, not much else. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: cubitfox at March 17, 2008, 12:33 pm | | Topic: The Evils of Anime Forum: Film Hobbit | | Has anyone here even seen Cyborg 009? Anime has lost its way (especially with trash like Naruto) but there is still a lot of good anime out there, and there's still the classics. Anime's style was influenced by Disney movies at the time, and without anime we wouldn't have the Matrix or Kill Bill. | | Static Link |
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