| Posted by: cubitfox at January 22, 2008, 10:13 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | 1. (Insert Terry Gilliam film here) 2. (Insert Terry Gilliam film here) 3. (Insert Terry Gilliam film here) 4. (Insert Terry Gilliam film here) 5. (Insert Terry Gilliam film here) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: zanarkand at December 8, 2007, 9:25 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | Ok so it was the Swordsman that Andre dunked in the water. I still say (based on the movie) that Wesley was never dead, but who really cares? By the way, I just happened to look behind us, and something is there! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Volante at December 8, 2007, 8:23 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | No, Fezzik dumped Inigo in water barrels because he was totally plastered and waiting for the Sicilian, making trouble for the brute squad. And yes, the pill worked, and it did so instantly. They were overlooking the courtyard when it was used. Wesley went from dead to confrontive. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: zanarkand at December 8, 2007, 8:08 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | Wesley was never dead. Max said this one here is only mostly dead.(alive) if he was dead, the only thing to do is go through his pockets and look for change. And the pill failed to revive him. Fessic dunked him into water barrels until he came around. And he was weak, as per somebody who had been tortured, not like the pill perked him back to normal, it did not even do that. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Volante at December 8, 2007, 7:37 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by zanarkand) What pill? The one that brings Wesley back to life that he gets from Miracle Max. ...Have you even seen this movie? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Old Darth at December 8, 2007, 7:10 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Ok, but how about blasters, or spaceships, or aliens, or hovercars, or everything else IN star wars?A subgenre of SF - and on the pulp side. Those items are window dressing. Including them does not automatically make SWs SF. Quote: I'd have to say one litmus test for sci-fi or fantasy is do they use "practical" or "fantastic" methods to achieve the currently impossible. The litmus test for SF is whether the story told is based on logical extensions of current technology and is an extension of our current world. SWs fails on both counts because it occurs in the past and .... Quote: Plus, as was mentioned, the force could simply have been another name for telekinesis which would be scientific. (Could have, if you ignore the midichlorians.) The concept of The Force I was referring to as fantasy was the universal aspect as something that binds together all living things. There is never a plausible scientific and objective explanation for its existence. SWs has some space opera trappings but it is clearly ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Volante at December 8, 2007, 5:04 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by zanarkand) There was no magic in The Princeess Bride. There was a torture rack that guy claimed could remove years off your life, but that was just talk. There was the pill. That definatly counts, but it was practically a throwaway. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Volante at December 8, 2007, 2:59 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: One needs to look no further than the concept of the Force which is SW doublespeak for magic. Ok, but how about blasters, or spaceships, or aliens, or hovercars, or everything else IN star wars? Just because one aspect blurs the line doesn't mean you can throw out the rest of the film. Plus, as was mentioned, the force could simply have been another name for telekinesis which would be scientific. (Could have, if you ignore the midichlorians.) I'd have to say one litmus test for sci-fi or fantasy is do they use "practical" or "fantastic" methods to achieve the currently impossible. Star Wars clearly demonstrates using practical means for the most part (engines, guns, machinery in general). And I still say Princess Bride makes less sense on there than Wonka. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Old Darth at December 8, 2007, 2:41 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | Quote: Originally Posted by Josh) Star Wars is not fantasy for the purposes of this list. Star Wars is science fiction through and through.
No its fantasy with SF trappings. SF is the genre of the scientifically plausible. Something which SW does not possess. One needs to look no further than the concept of the Force which is SW doublespeak for magic. As to the list I can't fathom how Charlie and the Chocolate Factory made the list. Or any list for that matter. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Cup of Jabba at December 8, 2007, 1:02 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | Whether you believe it to be a trick or not... The Force (or telekinesis)... is based on the hypothesis or the reality of science. Psychokinetic events (or moving of objects with the mind) have been witnessed by psychologists in the United States at the Ph.D, Masters, and B.A. degree levels, and in the U.S. and elsewhere in the world by professionals with medical degrees, physicists, electrical engineers, military personnel, police officers, and other professionals and ordinary citizens. So in conclusion, telekinesis is still is considered a science by many, even if it might be false or speculative by other scientists and maybe, just maybe, Star Wars is more... science fiction than science fantasy after all. Article Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychokinesis | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Cup of Jabba at December 7, 2007, 6:40 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | Fantasy Films vs Science Fiction Films!!! Okay. Getting back to the old argument, just in case anyone has any doubts about what is what. Here are some facts I found on the internet about Fantasy and Sci Fi. Fantasy films are films with fantastic themes, usually involving magic, supernatural events, make-believe creatures, or exotic fantasy worlds. The genre is considered to be distinct from science fiction film and horror film, although the genres do overlap. The boundaries of the fantasy literary genre are not well-defined, and the same is therefore true for the film genre as well. Some critics classify the Star Wars films as Science Fantasy rather than Science Fiction. Note, for example, the similarites in composition of this Star Wars DVD Cover (above) to that of Conan the Barbarian cover below. Article Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantasy_films Science fiction (abbreviated SF or sci-fi with varying punctuation and case) is a broad genre of fiction that often involves speculations based on current... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Cup of Jabba at December 7, 2007, 6:36 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by Josh) hey, that's a great Deep Space 9 episode. I make no apologies for liking your avatar. On the Deep Space Nine DVDs: I remember watching the behind the scenes for the episode titled "Rejoined" and they said there was more people (mostly males of course) that had crowded around that kiss scene more than any other scene or episode during that season. Heck. I don't blame them. Dax + Girl = A Strong Male Pheromone Level Increase. So yes. I like your Avatar alot as well, Zanarkand. Good Choice. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: zanarkand at December 7, 2007, 5:18 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | Now the lack of artistic value part...I mostly agree. If you get an XXX film, of course there is no art value there. But in a regular movie, sometimes it does add to it. Like Tom Cruise/Kelly McGillis in Top Gun. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at December 7, 2007, 5:15 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | I think there are some things that people would DEFINITELY define as Erotica... er for instance paints of naked women or something. But the video I think most would define as softcore porn. Softcore porn is the stuff you get in hotel rooms, on your PPV cable, late night on Showtime, and in Suncoast video. It usually involves a lot of simulated dry-humping. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mack at December 7, 2007, 5:11 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | It doesn't matter where the root comes from. Meanings evolve and change...and currently, to the masses, porn is anything involving naked women touching themselves or being touched that lacks any artistic value. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Volante at December 7, 2007, 5:05 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | m-w says: Greek pornographos, adjective, writing about prostitutes, from pornē prostitute + graphein to write; akin to Greek pernanai to sell, poros journey So...amateur doesn't count as porn, only if the subjects are being paid I guess. And my vote on what Willy Wonka counts as? Acid trip. Come on, only plausable explaination for that film is his chocolate's high on the happy juice. (ugg...I suck at street lingo...I'm just white and nerdy.) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Volante at December 7, 2007, 4:52 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | Ignorant or lazy... por·nog·ra·phy 1 : the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement (check)
2 : material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement (check)
3 : the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction <the pornography of violence> (close enough) Counts in Merriam-Webster's book. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: zanarkand at December 7, 2007, 4:47 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | It is considered "soft core porn" by the ignorant, and "erotica" by people who know what they are talking about. The word Porn is thrown around often by people who don't even know what it means. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Captain Murphy at December 7, 2007, 4:39 pm | | Topic: Top 5 Fantasy Films of All Time Forum: Film Hobbit | | What is it considered then? Just soft-core? I thought anything with just naked chicks and slow music throughout the entire film was considered porn. Edit: Another question... Is there such thing as soft-core gay porn? Somebody find Justin. | | Static Link |
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