| Posted by: Witch King at March 4, 2008, 2:42 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | I can actually appreciate the homage. I hated the originals, but I can still find that creative and enjoy familiarity. Not as much as I would if I liked the originals, though, of course. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: crappertay at March 4, 2008, 10:11 am | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | Superman Returns is an honest to God sequel to the second movie, however, a lot of concessions are made to the fact that this sequel is being made an actual 24 years later, but in the movie's terms it is only set 5 or 6 years later. I love that WK likes a movie that is in essence, in the first two thirds, a massive homage to the original which he hates. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Into at March 4, 2008, 4:00 am | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | For me, it was a bit of a reboot. Just because the title had "returns" in it, didn't signify a sequel of any sort, to me. I saw it as the equivalent of Batman Begins, as a reboot of a franchise...maybe I've got the wrong thought pattern on this or something, though. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Witch King at March 4, 2008, 2:40 am | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | I finally got around to seeing this tonight. My absolute unrivaled hatred of the first two movies is well documented, but I liked this. I loved it most of the way and felt like I was watching one of my favorite movies that has ever been (amazing considering I don't really like Superman and, again, hate his movies), but the third act sort've lost me a bit. Sort've overly drawn out and just not really that interesting. Up until then, though, the acting, story, visuals and emotions are absolutely incredible. Also, I've joined EDJ in trashing Hackman's Luthor many a time, but I disagree with him here: I really liked Spacey. Anyway, that's all. I didn't love the entire product, but I loved large parts of it and liked it as a whole. Pleasently surprised. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alice at August 8, 2006, 7:09 am | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by Josh) It's done really well overseas... but probably won't top $190 million in the US. Pirates 3's dominance simply killed it's second and third week box office. It's a shame it was released so close to Pirates. Seems to be hard for two movies to be successful at once these days. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alice at August 8, 2006, 7:08 am | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by Deus Ex Machina) The word out there seems to be that if the movie can make $200 million domestic, there will be a second. Is $195 million close enough? That's up to the execs. Whether Singer does or doesn't get to direct a second movie, you can bet the budget won't be as elaborate as this time around. Thanks for the info, Deus. I hope there will be another movie, but am sure you are right it won't get the same budget. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Deus Ex Machina at August 7, 2006, 6:25 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by baldbantam) I'm a staunch atheist. I can't really say I care, it was just an observation. It just struck me as too many points of correlation to be entirely accidental - I think the director was deliberately apeing the resurrection story. The gospel according to Bryan Singer? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: baldbantam at August 7, 2006, 6:21 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by Tay) Maybe because non-Christians don't care? I'm a staunch atheist. I can't really say I care, it was just an observation. It just struck me as too many points of correlation to be entirely accidental - I think the director was deliberately apeing the resurrection story. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Deus Ex Machina at August 7, 2006, 6:10 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by Tay) I need a hero I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night He's gotta be strong And he's gotta be fast And he's gotta be fresh from the fight That's why Hero isn't fitting. Side of edam?It's true. Spider-man repeatedly saves half of New York. He's a hero. Superman saves the entire world. He needs something bigger. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: crappertay at August 7, 2006, 6:02 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | I need a hero
I'm holding out for a hero 'til the end of the night
He's gotta be strong
And he's gotta be fast
And he's gotta be fresh from the fight That's why Hero isn't fitting. Side of edam? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: crappertay at August 7, 2006, 4:57 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: I'm surprised people haven't picked up on the Christian theme more Maybe because non-Christians don't care? The budget wont be as big because it doesn't have the baggage Returns came with. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Deus Ex Machina at August 7, 2006, 4:51 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | By average movie standards Superman Returns has done pretty well, grossing around $190 million domestically and $150 million internationally. However, given its large budget, massive marketing campaign and the amount of time it took the movie to earn what it has, there's debate over whether or not it actually turned much of a profit. The word out there seems to be that if the movie can make $200 million domestic, there will be a second. Is $195 million close enough? That's up to the execs. Whether Singer does or doesn't get to direct a second movie, you can bet the budget won't be as elaborate as this time around. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alice at August 7, 2006, 4:46 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | Does anyone know what the box office for Superman Returns has been like over the last few weeks? I liked the movie a lot, but am getting the impression it has struggled a bit, which is a shame. My young son also liked it very much, though I think he preferred Superman II because of Zod - so I'm hoping it may be true that Singer will bring back Zod next time (assuming there is a next time.) PS I noticed all the Christian stuff, but wasn't too bothered. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at August 7, 2006, 3:53 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | Did you know that Passion of the Christ is an allegory for Aztec Sun Worship? They practiced human sacrifice after all, and note the way the sun goes down in the film as Jesus dies. I just don't get why this is such a big deal. People act like the influence of Christianity is some sort of proof of their faith... or conversely some affront to it. The reactions seem to run the gamit. I don't see why anyone has any reaction at all.... maybe some people have never read books or seen movies before. That is my only explanation. What do you expect after centuries of oppression... sorry rephrase... creative faith building.... by the Christian Church? Of course their teachings are going to work their way into every part of everyone's life. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at August 7, 2006, 3:45 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | NEWSFLASH: Modern pop culture has been influenced by Christianity and other religius mythology!! Whoa. I guess that's what happens after centuries of Christian church influence. It wasn't so long ago that people weren't allowed to read anything that WASN'T Jesus based. Whoopdeedooo. Did you know you can draw a direct parallel between Star Wars and Jesus too? Also Star Wars and Greek Mythology. Also Star Wars and Pagan sun god worship. Pick a movie. Play find the Allegory. It's a blast. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: baldbantam at August 7, 2006, 2:10 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | I rated it no better than alright, and not a patch on the Spiderman movies or Batman Begins. I'm surprised people haven't picked up on the Christian theme more - from when he landed on the island it was basically an allegory for the crucifiction story. Anyway, similarities that I picked up on: The demigod sent by his father to bring light to mankind and be the saviour. Raised by human parents. The retreat into the wilderness (or outer space). Beaten by the guards. Stabbed in the side. Carries the problems of the world. Dies and falls back to earth in a crucifix position. Rises again. Empty bed is discovered = empty tomb. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Ford at July 26, 2006, 9:45 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | This was one of the dullest movies I've ever seen. Dull superhero, dull alter-ego, dull villain, dull plot, dull non-love story. None of the characters were fleshed out at all. Clark Kent was just a pair of glasses, Superman was the last survivor of Krypton (which his father had already told him), Lex Luthor was......nothing at all. Superman just wasn't super. He barely stopped a plane crash, and he stopped a bank robber that had a gun that cost him more money than he could ever steal from that bank. Singer wanted to strike gold again like he did with Hugh Jackman. It didn't work. Brandon Routh is not a movie star. In a couple years time he'll probably be on some CBS crime drama. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alice at July 24, 2006, 4:41 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | I see there are reports around about the sequel, with Singer saying it will be out in 2009 - and will be his 'Wrath of Khan'. Three years seems quite a long time to wait - but we'll have Spidey in the meantime. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alice at July 16, 2006, 3:43 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by masterthes) Alright, didn't quite buy how Superman was in that big of a critical condition even after they removed the kryptonite. I mean, he had it worse it seemed like that first time after Lex stabbed him, and after Lois removed the kryptonite, he was back on his feet My feeling was that he had lost the will to live at that point - it seemed as if he had been to Krypton and found nothing there, and now there was nothing left for him on earth either. But then when Lois whispers to him that Jason is his son, and Jason kisses him as he leaves the room, suddenly he has a reason to live again and recovers... OK, so I'm an old romantic. I thought this was a wonderful movie, with Routh doing a great job of taking over from Reeve (though Reeve will always be my favourite), and giving the character a sort of wistful, brooding quality. I wasn't too sure about Bosworth as Lois, though - she doesn't have the sparky humour that Kidder had. I also loved all the similarities to the earlier mo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: CharlieBrown85 at July 12, 2006, 12:42 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | I enjoyed it. Routh was a good Superman/fitting Clark Kent. I'm wondering what the old lady meant when she was on her dying bed, thanking Lex Luther for showing her pleasures that she never knew of ..? Thinking about that gives me the chills. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at July 10, 2006, 2:02 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by crevette) Yeah, but Supes is more of an American phenomenon/legend. I'm not expecting a huge overseas turnout. Healthy, yes. Huge, no. . That's actually not true. Superman is actually as big as... or maybe even bigger overseas than it he is here.. I've been watching a lot of Superman documentaries lately on the subject. I also asked some of my foreign coworkers (China, UK, India), and they all say that Superman is the most popular superhero in their countries. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at July 10, 2006, 2:00 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by Deus Ex Machina) Complete fools they were. Of course they expected it to outperform Batman Begins. Why else would they have either greenlit it with such a large budget or allowed the budget to balloon so high. Because they had no choice. The $260 million number also includes tens of millions of dollars spent trying to develop the movie before Singer came on board. The cost of Singer's movie alone, at least from what I can find, was around $200 million. Batman Begins made $370 million or something worldwide, and so that's a nice profit. Quote: For the most part, buzz about a Superman film had been HUGE. How many people were out there saying that X-Men 3 was going to suck since Singer left and Superman was going to be the big film of the year? Nobody. Everyone thought X-Men 3 would make a ton of money. Nobody thought it would be any good, but EVERYONE thought it would make a mint. Quality and box office take do not go hand in hand. Quote: I think they were expecting it to be another... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: crevette at July 10, 2006, 1:57 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by fafhrd) Keep in mind guys, that Supes isn't really hitting the Overseas market just yet. This film's probably going to gross at least $200 mil in the US domestically, and probably at least another $150 overseas. And that's not including all the movie tie-in products, and also the eventual (and massive) DVD sales. Oh, and the Superman Returns video game was pushed back to September Fafhrd Yeah, but Supes is more of an American phenomenon/legend. I'm not expecting a huge overseas turnout. Healthy, yes. Huge, no. And all those tie ins will help, but will they help $300 million strong after everyone gets their cut? I don't know. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: crevette at July 10, 2006, 1:55 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | Quote: I wonder why they didn't move Superman's release date a bit? There were plenty of times during the summer when it could have had more room for at least a good second week.
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They actually did move it from a Friday premiere to the Wendsday before, probably in anticipation of Pirates. But they did that probably a month or two (?) beforehand. I suspect moving it much more might have started some negative press (you know how such things can be interpreted in LaLaland) and it might have hurt more than helped. If they were going to move it, they would have had to move it many months ago. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Deus Ex Machina at July 10, 2006, 1:54 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | Quote: Originally Posted by Josh) If the studio expected it to make any more than Batman Begins, then they were complete fools, especially releasing it the week before Pirates... which everyone knew would dominate the box office no matter what went up against it. I wonder why they didn't move Superman's release date a bit? There were plenty of times during the summer when it could have had more room for at least a good second week. Complete fools they were. Of course they expected it to outperform a movie like Batman Begins ($200+ million domestic gross). Why else would they have either greenlit it with such a large budget or allowed the budget to balloon so high? (whichever was what actually occurred). For the most part, buzz about a Superman film had been HUGE. How many people were out there saying that X-Men 3 was going to suck since Singer left and Superman was going to be the big film of the year? I think they were expecting it to be another Spider-man. Instead they got Batman type response at the Box O... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: fafhrd at July 10, 2006, 1:45 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | Keep in mind guys, that Supes isn't really hitting the Overseas market just yet. This film's probably going to gross at least $200 mil in the US domestically, and probably at least another $150 overseas. And that's not including all the movie tie-in products, and also the eventual (and massive) DVD sales. Oh, and the Superman Returns video game was pushed back to September Fafhrd | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Josh at July 10, 2006, 1:41 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | If the studio expected it to make any more than Batman Begins, then they were complete fools, especially releasing it the week before Pirates... which everyone knew would dominate the box office no matter what went up against it. I wonder why they didn't move Superman's release date a bit? There were plenty of times during the summer when it could have had more room for at least a good second week. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: crevette at July 10, 2006, 1:27 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | True. I'm hearing rumblings that the two sequels that have been planned (one for 2009) may not be made now because of the underperformance of this movie. With a smaller budget, this movie would be a wild sucess. But with how much it took to make it, I don't think they're getting the expected bang for their buck. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: eandcdad at July 8, 2006, 12:21 pm | | Topic: SUPERMAN RETURNS- post when you see it! Forum: Film Hobbit | | I've also read there is a 50-50 split most times, but I read that on blockbusters (like Superman Returns) the studio negotiates with the theaters and gets 80%-90%, the first week or two, and then it drifts down to an equal split. I can't imagine that this movie will not be profitable. In addition to US and oversees box office (and a lot of movies oversees are sold as a right to distribute, rather than a portion of box office take, sometimes they are pre-sold and used to finance the movie, but that's typically with smaller movies), there is DVD, pay-per-view, television, and all that Superman merchandise. Plus the additional interest in the original movies which results in a few extra bucks for the studio. The movie isn't a bomb by any stretch, but the key will be if they make another one. We can be pretty sure they made a few dollars if that is the case. | | Static Link |
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