| Posted by: Derek Janssen at January 5, 2008, 12:18 am | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | moviePig wrote: Quote: I did notice the Warner unwaffle on my own, as it happens. So, Kreskin, what and when will Paramount do? (They're the lone above- ground resistance... right?) Paramount's contract, unfortunately, is binding through till Feb. 2009, or Toshiba's declared death of HD. ....Whichever comes first. Derek Janssen (and if there's a way out of it before then, they're looking) ejanss1@verizon.net | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at January 4, 2008, 8:41 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | moviePig wrote: Quote: - "When high-definition DVD reaches its tipping point, studios will have to release their movies in both HD DVD and Blu-ray," Mr. Adams said. "No studio will be able to afford not to." Fact: Warner, for one, can't afford to--As the only studio still dual-format, they've been taking hell from their own Blu fans for using one HD-DVD VC-1 codec for both their HD and Blu releases, instead of the clearer Blu-dedicated MPEG-4 AVC, and the War has now focused on a siege on Warner's neutrality. Fans expect some announcement at next week's CES'08 (either of Warner giving in, or of showing less support for HD), and are almost literally counting the minutes....Eight days, btw. You're clearly seeing the world (as opposed to seeing the world clearly) through novitiate's glasses. Nevertheless, I'll watch this space for your take on CES. Well, sorry I didn't get back to you on that, but looks like we've got early news flashes a weekend ahead of schedule: http://www.timewarner.com/corp/newsroom/pr/0,20... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 4, 2008, 5:49 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 4, 7:41 pm, Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:moviePig wrote: - "When high-definition DVD reaches its tipping point, studios will have to release their movies in both HD DVD and Blu-ray," Mr. Adams said. "No studio will be able to afford not to." Fact: Warner, for one, can't afford to--As the only studio still dual-format, they've been taking hell from their own Blu fans for using one HD-DVD VC-1 codec for both their HD and Blu releases, instead of the clearer Blu-dedicated MPEG-4 AVC, and the War has now focused on a siege on Warner's neutrality. Fans expect some announcement at next week's CES'08 (either of Warner giving in, or of showing less support for HD), and are almost literally counting the minutes....Eight days, btw. You're clearly seeing the world (as opposed to seeing the world clearly) through novitiate's glasses. Nevertheless, I'll watch this space for your take on CES. Well, sorry I didn't get back to you on that, but looks like we've got early news flashes a weekend ahead of schedule:http:/... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: trotsky at January 2, 2008, 9:32 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:trotsky wrote: RichA wrote: Which brand of "Class A amps" are those, Rich? And who are we talking about, generic guys, or someone infinitely discerning like me? And as a last question, who in the general populace can tell the difference between the original Dodge Charger and the current version? Honestly, Rich, you have become so monumentally stupid at this point you're going to tell me all pseudo muscle cars are the same. If it says "Hemi" on it, that's all that matters, right? Or, wait, is the newer Charger better just because it's newer? I put one of those new hi-def disks into a Dodge Charger, and it couldn't play the darn thing at all! Derek Janssen (when red-herring posts just become too blamed puzzling) I'm a connoisseur of audio, Rich muscle cars, and you gay porn. Simple, dullard. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at January 2, 2008, 9:22 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | trotsky wrote: Quote:RichA wrote: Which brand of "Class A amps" are those, Rich? And who are we talking about, generic guys, or someone infinitely discerning like me? And as a last question, who in the general populace can tell the difference between the original Dodge Charger and the current version? Honestly, Rich, you have become so monumentally stupid at this point you're going to tell me all pseudo muscle cars are the same. If it says "Hemi" on it, that's all that matters, right? Or, wait, is the newer Charger better just because it's newer? I put one of those new hi-def disks into a Dodge Charger, and it couldn't play the darn thing at all! Derek Janssen (when red-herring posts just become too blamed puzzling) 0_o?? ejanss1@verizon.net | | Static Link |
| Posted by: trotsky at January 2, 2008, 9:19 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | RichA wrote: Quote:On Jan 2, 9:02 am, trotsky wrote: RichA wrote: On Jan 1, 8:46 am, trotsky wrote: RichA wrote: On Dec 31 2007, 12:47 pm, moviePig wrote: Good, straightforward article. (Sample resonant excerpt: "Almost three-quarters of ... HDTV owners surveyed said that standard DVD was good enough for them.") http://tinyurl.com/24gze7 -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com I love these crystal ball gazers. Duh, I think both will survive. Duh, I think Blu-Ray, I think HD-DVD. How are DVD-A or that other HD sound format doing?? Audio and video are two completely separate issues. Guess what, moron: people are still buying records because they sound the best. You missed the point, Private Pyle. You have two formats, one will dominate, it's just a matter of time. Just like CDs killed vinyl, That's a stupid perspective, Rich. CDs didn't "kill" vinyl, unless you are talking the McDonald's argument. If something sells the most that doesn't make it the highest quality. Are you going to arg... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: RichA at January 2, 2008, 1:20 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 2, 9:02 am, trotsky wrote: Quote:RichA wrote: On Jan 1, 8:46 am, trotsky wrote: RichA wrote: On Dec 31 2007, 12:47 pm, moviePig wrote: Good, straightforward article. (Sample resonant excerpt: "Almost three-quarters of ... HDTV owners surveyed said that standard DVD was good enough for them.") http://tinyurl.com/24gze7 -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com I love these crystal ball gazers. Duh, I think both will survive. Duh, I think Blu-Ray, I think HD-DVD. How are DVD-A or that other HD sound format doing?? Audio and video are two completely separate issues. Guess what, moron: people are still buying records because they sound the best. You missed the point, Private Pyle. You have two formats, one will dominate, it's just a matter of time. Just like CDs killed vinyl, That's a stupid perspective, Rich. CDs didn't "kill" vinyl, unless you are talking the McDonald's argument. If something sells the most that doesn't make it the highest quality. Are you going to argue that Britn... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: trotsky at January 2, 2008, 10:02 am | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | RichA wrote: Quote:On Jan 1, 8:46 am, trotsky wrote: RichA wrote: On Dec 31 2007, 12:47 pm, moviePig wrote: Good, straightforward article. (Sample resonant excerpt: "Almost three-quarters of ... HDTV owners surveyed said that standard DVD was good enough for them.") http://tinyurl.com/24gze7 -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com I love these crystal ball gazers. Duh, I think both will survive. Duh, I think Blu-Ray, I think HD-DVD. How are DVD-A or that other HD sound format doing?? Audio and video are two completely separate issues. Guess what, moron: people are still buying records because they sound the best. You missed the point, Private Pyle. You have two formats, one will dominate, it's just a matter of time. Just like CDs killed vinyl, That's a stupid perspective, Rich. CDs didn't "kill" vinyl, unless you are talking the McDonald's argument. If something sells the most that doesn't make it the highest quality. Are you going to argue that Britney Spears has musical talent? This... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: trotsky at January 2, 2008, 10:02 am | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | RichA wrote: Quote:On Jan 1, 10:37 am, Kuskokwim wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:21:07 -0800 (PST), meta wrote: i wonder if this is because even if these consumers have HDTV sets/ tuners, most DVD players only output SD signals, which means they're only viewing a standard definition picture anyways. HDTVs upscale the input from a SD DVD player (or any other input) to the TV's native resolution. People are being sold upscaling DVD players when they often don't need them. Forget that, it's a poor man's solution anyway. I agree with your assessment that you're a swine. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Charlie Foxtrot at January 2, 2008, 7:56 am | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Tue, 01 Jan 2008 10:28:40 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:But I can't see anything wrong about the comment about PS3 gamers. I'd take that as a given that the buyers of game platforms are very much motivated by the platform's movie-playing capability; only with how realistically the heads explode in the games. The Blu-Ray capability of PS3s is just lagniappe. The gamers are aware of it, but with a shrug. You're a bit older than most hardcore gamers, so I don't think you really speak for them. You are, afterall, participating in a movie newsgroup, which indicates to me that you have an above-average interest in them. Or, you could have a situation like mine. My son is into gaming and, for Christmas, wanted the XBox 360. That settled it for me. Had he wanted the PS3, I'd have stuck with that for my Blu-Ray viewing. But he wanted the XBox 360 so I bought a Blu-Ray player since it looks to be the superior format. Should HD DVD win out, I'll just buy the add-on for the XBox 360. So I think you might have units... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 2, 2008, 5:43 am | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 2, 4:36 am, RichA wrote: Quote:On Jan 1, 10:37 am, Kuskokwim wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:21:07 -0800 (PST), meta wrote: i wonder if this is because even if these consumers have HDTV sets/ tuners, most DVD players only output SD signals, which means they're only viewing a standard definition picture anyways. HDTVs upscale the input from a SD DVD player (or any other input) to the TV's native resolution. People are being sold upscaling DVD players when they often don't need them. Forget that, it's a poor man's solution anyway. What is interesting is that there isn't as much acrimony over the terrible HD-DVD players as there should be. Has (for instance) Toshiba EVER made a component that actually worked right?? Do the people avidly (are there any?) seeking HD-DVDs like dropped frames, and juddery movement when watching movies? They're trying to sell high definition to people who watch things on iPods, and that is about as awful a prognosis for the well-being of high def as there can be. What's yo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: RichA at January 1, 2008, 11:36 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 1, 10:37 am, Kuskokwim wrote: Quote:On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:21:07 -0800 (PST), meta wrote: i wonder if this is because even if these consumers have HDTV sets/ tuners, most DVD players only output SD signals, which means they're only viewing a standard definition picture anyways. HDTVs upscale the input from a SD DVD player (or any other input) to the TV's native resolution. People are being sold upscaling DVD players when they often don't need them. Forget that, it's a poor man's solution anyway. What is interesting is that there isn't as much acrimony over the terrible HD-DVD players as there should be. Has (for instance) Toshiba EVER made a component that actually worked right?? Do the people avidly (are there any?) seeking HD-DVDs like dropped frames, and juddery movement when watching movies? They're trying to sell high definition to people who watch things on iPods, and that is about as awful a prognosis for the well-being of high def as there can be. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: RichA at January 1, 2008, 11:33 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 1, 8:46 am, trotsky wrote: Quote:RichA wrote: On Dec 31 2007, 12:47 pm, moviePig wrote: Good, straightforward article. (Sample resonant excerpt: "Almost three-quarters of ... HDTV owners surveyed said that standard DVD was good enough for them.") http://tinyurl.com/24gze7 -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com I love these crystal ball gazers. Duh, I think both will survive. Duh, I think Blu-Ray, I think HD-DVD. How are DVD-A or that other HD sound format doing?? Audio and video are two completely separate issues. Guess what, moron: people are still buying records because they sound the best. You missed the point, Private Pyle. You have two formats, one will dominate, it's just a matter of time. Just like CDs killed vinyl, and DVDs that killed CDs. So far, no one has provided any proof as to which one will emerge on top, you just have the usual guestimators who are about as likely to be right as any member of the general public. Flip a coin and go scratch some vinyl. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at January 1, 2008, 5:03 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | Alric Knebel wrote: Quote: - "When high-definition DVD reaches its tipping point, studios will have to release their movies in both HD DVD and Blu-ray," Mr. Adams said. "No studio will be able to afford not to." Fact: Warner, for one, can't afford to--As the only studio still dual-format, they've been taking hell from their own Blu fans for using one HD-DVD VC-1 codec for both their HD and Blu releases, instead of the clearer Blu-dedicated MPEG-4 AVC, and the War has now focused on a siege on Warner's neutrality. Fans expect some announcement at next week's CES'08 (either of Warner giving in, or of showing less support for HD), and are almost literally counting the minutes....Eight days, btw. This will definitely be an important announcement, and will be the knell for HD DVD. If what you're expecting comes true, that is. I don't know how you get such detailed information, but it's much appreciated and do start a thread on the announcement when you see it. Right now, Warner knows the entire industry spotlight ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: trotsky at January 1, 2008, 3:44 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | moviePig wrote: Quote:Here's a helpful paragraph (...especially if it's correct): "In order for an HDTV to show the best possible picture quality, the video signal must be converted to the "native rate" of the display (the primary resolution that the screen supports). This can be performed either within the TV itself, or externally at the video source. Although it is true that every HDTV comes equipped with circuitry to perform this conversion, generally the set manufacturers use basic, unsophisticated scaling chips that do an inadequate job. The TV may enlarge the video to fill up the screen, but usually does not address many complicated issues in properly handling of the video signal to create the best possible picture quality. For optimal display result, it is best to feed the HDTV with a native HD video signal so that the TV does not have to do the zooming. How well the conversion from Standard Definition to High Definition is performed by the circuitry in the electronic devices will determine how good th... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at January 1, 2008, 12:31 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:[edit] And again, the Warner argument has been the one technical rebuttal to the "Look at all the cheap prices!" argument of the Draft-Dodgers, which comes off sounding like the cries of vultures and war-profiteers who don't focus on the longterm effects of an artificially prolonged war, so long as their own pockets stay lined--Cheap players are fine by me; cheap(ly made) disks, by dual-frustrated companies, AREN'T. This has long since stopped being an argument of technical quality, and started becoming the national bum's-rush of a Guest Who Won't Leave. Are you saying that the HD DVDs are shoddily produced? --
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| Posted by: Alric Knebel at January 1, 2008, 12:28 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:moviePig wrote: http://tinyurl.com/24gze7 - "But the rival camp points out that gamers are not buying the PS3 to watch movies," Fact: Oh, try THAT Microsoft quote on a real PS3 fan... The article showed that consumers interesting ONLY in watching movies were buying more HD DVD machines. The promoters do have it wrong, though, in thinking that people interested in movies would be coaxed with interactivity. Most of the time, those games that come as an extra feature on DVDs are simplistic and silly. Like the memory game mentioned in the article as an example. I want the MOVIE, and I'm not interested in that other stuff. Give me making-of features and so on, but you can keep the games and the online access. But I can't see anything wrong about the comment about PS3 gamers. I'd take that as a given that the buyers of game platforms are very much motivated by the platform's movie-playing capability; only with how realistically the heads explode in the games. The Blu-Ray capability of PS3... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at January 1, 2008, 12:10 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | Kuskokwim wrote: Quote:On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:21:07 -0800 (PST), meta wrote: i wonder if this is because even if these consumers have HDTV sets/ tuners, most DVD players only output SD signals, which means they're only viewing a standard definition picture anyways. HDTVs upscale the input from a SD DVD player (or any other input) to the TV's native resolution. People are being sold upscaling DVD players when they often don't need them. There is a distinct difference. I'm not an expert on all of this, especially all the terminology (1080p VS. 1080i, and so forth; I strain to keep it straight and really don't understand yet the meaning of the terms), but my brother bought one of those upconverters, and there's a distinct difference between what it plays and the image I saw on a SD DVD player on an HDTV at Wal-Mart. The picture at Wal-Mart was nearly unwatchable in comparison. --
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| Posted by: Kuskokwim at January 1, 2008, 11:37 am | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:21:07 -0800 (PST), meta wrote: Quote:i wonder if this is because even if these consumers have HDTV sets/ tuners, most DVD players only output SD signals, which means they're only viewing a standard definition picture anyways. HDTVs upscale the input from a SD DVD player (or any other input) to the TV's native resolution. People are being sold upscaling DVD players when they often don't need them. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: trotsky at January 1, 2008, 9:46 am | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | RichA wrote: Quote:On Dec 31 2007, 12:47 pm, moviePig wrote: Good, straightforward article. (Sample resonant excerpt: "Almost three-quarters of ... HDTV owners surveyed said that standard DVD was good enough for them.") http://tinyurl.com/24gze7 -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com I love these crystal ball gazers. Duh, I think both will survive. Duh, I think Blu-Ray, I think HD-DVD. How are DVD-A or that other HD sound format doing?? Audio and video are two completely separate issues. Guess what, moron: people are still buying records because they sound the best. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 1, 2008, 6:34 am | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 1, 11:10 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:Kuskokwim wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2007 11:21:07 -0800 (PST), meta wrote: i wonder if this is because even if these consumers have HDTV sets/ tuners, most DVD players only output SD signals, which means they're only viewing a standard definition picture anyways. HDTVs upscale the input from a SD DVD player (or any other input) to the TV's native resolution. People are being sold upscaling DVD players when they often don't need them. There is a distinct difference. I'm not an expert on all of this, especially all the terminology (1080p VS. 1080i, and so forth; I strain to keep it straight and really don't understand yet the meaning of the terms), but my brother bought one of those upconverters, and there's a distinct difference between what it plays and the image I saw on a SD DVD player on an HDTV at Wal-Mart. The picture at Wal-Mart was nearly unwatchable in comparison. Here's a helpful paragraph (...especially if it's correct): "In order for an HDTV to show the b... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at December 31, 2007, 9:05 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | moviePig wrote: Quote:Back during the Paleozoic, Intel's chip-instruction architecture was vastly less elegant and sensible than Motorola's...and, Gates's fledgling OS was clearly second best. (VHS, too. Right?) Outcome doesn't always favor the visionary. E.g., there's current hint of an Israeli-developed terabyte dvd(-sized disc). Whither Blu-ray then, I wonder. On those rumors, looks like outcome isn't favoring the visionary. ;) So far, the Draft-Dodgers' arguments seem to be echoing the Pro-HD arguments: 1) "Who cares, it'll all be downloads anyway!" 2) "Enjoy it now, there'll probably be something better, usually is!" 3) "Just buy something that makes your standard DVD's look good!" (I've seen "Low-pressure" sales campaigns for a product, but "Buy it anyway, even if it's doomed to obsolescence" has to be a new one for the record books. 0_o?? ) Quote:Meanwhile, I haven't personally heard any groundswell about inferior HD-DVDs unrelated to capacity... Leaving aside the "And what HAVE you personally heard, t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at December 31, 2007, 7:51 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | moviePig wrote: Quote:On Dec 31, 3:37 pm, Derek Janssen wrote: moviePig wrote: Good, straightforward article. (Sample resonant excerpt: "Almost three-quarters of ... HDTV owners surveyed said that standard DVD was good enough for them.") http://tinyurl.com/24gze7 And now, the actual DVD-group representative (and Blu-ray user) scans the mainstream article for goofball '06 mainstream mistakes: scan mistake light flashes Uh-oh, looks like we've got a few coming up here: - "In November, Howard Stringer, the Sony chairman, publicly acknowledged that the formats were in a stalemate, and predicted that neither side would fold." Fact: Stringer publicly disclaimed the remark after it got out of hand--What he claimed was, the industry *could* create a stalemate with customers, if no company took the initiative to make any advancement from the present situation...It was blown up by third-party misquotes into "Sony gives up the ship", which, for one, ain't so. - "But the rival camp points out that gamers are not buying t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: RichA at December 31, 2007, 7:27 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 31 2007, 12:47 pm, moviePig wrote: Quote:Good, straightforward article. (Sample resonant excerpt: "Almost three-quarters of ... HDTV owners surveyed said that standard DVD was good enough for them.") http://tinyurl.com/24gze7 -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com I love these crystal ball gazers. Duh, I think both will survive. Duh, I think Blu-Ray, I think HD-DVD. How are DVD-A or that other HD sound format doing?? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at December 31, 2007, 4:52 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | Flasherly wrote: Quote: The pristine Blu-Ray Plannet Earth, Dolby 5.1 - not into it. Kicks butt, major wonder for me -- but also a hell of a learning curve (broadcast engineering) from when I started years ago. (Darn, who was that Dickens character, again, who never spoke in complete subject-verb sentences either?: "Bad luck, lost a wheel, who'd have thought, missed connections, even so, can't complain...") Derek Janssen (Pickwick Papers, think it was) ejanss1@verizon.net | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at December 31, 2007, 4:37 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | moviePig wrote: Quote:Good, straightforward article. (Sample resonant excerpt: "Almost three-quarters of ... HDTV owners surveyed said that standard DVD was good enough for them.") http://tinyurl.com/24gze7 And now, the actual DVD-group representative (and Blu-ray user) scans the mainstream article for goofball '06 mainstream mistakes: <scan> <mistake light flashes> Uh-oh, looks like we've got a few coming up here: - "In November, Howard Stringer, the Sony chairman, publicly acknowledged that the formats were in a stalemate, and predicted that neither side would fold." Fact: Stringer publicly disclaimed the remark after it got out of hand--What he claimed was, the industry *could* create a stalemate with customers, if no company took the initiative to make any advancement from the present situation...It was blown up by third-party misquotes into "Sony gives up the ship", which, for one, ain't so. - "But the rival camp points out that gamers are not buying the PS3 to watch movies," Fact: Oh, try TH... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Flasherly at December 31, 2007, 4:20 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 31, 9:06 pm, Goro wrote: Quote: I think that the FCC is not mandating SD go away, but rather ANALOG signal; there will still be 480i signals, aiui. Right, that's it. Digital multiplexed QAM/ATSC carriers. Pay no mind and slap me upside the head if I start to drift again. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Goro at December 31, 2007, 4:06 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 31, 1:40 pm, Flasherly wrote: Quote:On Dec 31, 2:21 pm, meta wrote: i wonder if this is because even if these consumers have HDTV sets/ tuners, most DVD players only output SD signals, which means they're only viewing a standard definition picture anyways. most people wouldn't notice the difference unless it was pointed out to them by someone who is familiar. guess that's the story of our consumer culture - it is our duty to need to want more. certainly, there is always the quest to improve but sometimes better is the enemy good. SD will go out soon enough (FCC regulated), glass CRTs not long after I think that the FCC is not mandating SD go away, but rather ANALOG signal; there will still be 480i signals, aiui. -goro- Quote:for LCD HDTV. Upconverting settop DVD are already mainstream priced -- $50 at Phillips I was looking at Walmart last week (for a was- friend until he whined one too many times). 480/720/1080/1920 - it's more than I care to know. I've HDTV via a little computer I built and seldom wa... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Flasherly at December 31, 2007, 3:59 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 31, 3:52 pm, Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:Flasherly wrote: The pristine Blu-Ray Plannet Earth, Dolby 5.1 - not into it. Kicks butt, major wonder for me -- but also a hell of a learning curve (broadcast engineering) from when I started years ago. (Darn, who was that Dickens character, again, who never spoke in complete subject-verb sentences either?: "Bad luck, lost a wheel, who'd have thought, missed connections, even so, can't complain...") Derek Janssen (Pickwick Papers, think it was) Probably, I'm inclined, a bit bitten to reel. Twenty-five, instant success, Victorian Pickwick Papers and bloody made a star, they did. Cupboard romanticism, no telly, see, pantry escapism for dilly- dallying servant classes. No pomp Edwardian hedgerow, prickly nettles with half-a-mind here-then-there Conrad, Lawrence, Thomas bloody Hardy, but straight-in conkers and nettles for 'em that misses, bugger the lot. A muck of what they made: http://www.allmovie.com/cg/avg.dll?p=avg&sql=1:257289 From pay-no-mind just plain ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at December 31, 2007, 2:30 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 31, 6:51 pm, Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:moviePig wrote: On Dec 31, 3:37 pm, Derek Janssen wrote: moviePig wrote: Good, straightforward article. (Sample resonant excerpt: "Almost three-quarters of ... HDTV owners surveyed said that standard DVD was good enough for them.") http://tinyurl.com/24gze7 And now, the actual DVD-group representative (and Blu-ray user) scans the mainstream article for goofball '06 mainstream mistakes: scan mistake light flashes Uh-oh, looks like we've got a few coming up here: - "In November, Howard Stringer, the Sony chairman, publicly acknowledged that the formats were in a stalemate, and predicted that neither side would fold." Fact: Stringer publicly disclaimed the remark after it got out of hand--What he claimed was, the industry *could* create a stalemate with customers, if no company took the initiative to make any advancement from the present situation...It was blown up by third-party misquotes into "Sony gives up the ship", which, for one, ain't so. - "But the rival c... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at December 31, 2007, 1:26 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 31, 3:37 pm, Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:moviePig wrote: Good, straightforward article. (Sample resonant excerpt: "Almost three-quarters of ... HDTV owners surveyed said that standard DVD was good enough for them.") http://tinyurl.com/24gze7 And now, the actual DVD-group representative (and Blu-ray user) scans the mainstream article for goofball '06 mainstream mistakes: scan mistake light flashes Uh-oh, looks like we've got a few coming up here: - "In November, Howard Stringer, the Sony chairman, publicly acknowledged that the formats were in a stalemate, and predicted that neither side would fold." Fact: Stringer publicly disclaimed the remark after it got out of hand--What he claimed was, the industry *could* create a stalemate with customers, if no company took the initiative to make any advancement from the present situation...It was blown up by third-party misquotes into "Sony gives up the ship", which, for one, ain't so. - "But the rival camp points out that gamers are not buying the PS3 to watc... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at December 31, 2007, 1:18 pm | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 31, 2:21 pm, meta wrote: Quote:i wonder if this is because even if these consumers have HDTV sets/ tuners, most DVD players only output SD signals, which means they're only viewing a standard definition picture anyways. most people wouldn't notice the difference unless it was pointed out to them by someone who is familiar. guess that's the story of our consumer culture - it is our duty to need to want more. certainly, there is always the quest to improve but sometimes better is the enemy of good. My eye's not overly discerning, but, e.g., I gripe bigtime when the theater screen's even marginally out-of-focus. Thus calibrated... I can report that, when I switch my 1080p Sony between a (broadcast) 1080i movie and an *upconverted* standard dvd, I don't sense a great loss of visual quality (...as I do when, say, switching between hi-def and standard broadcasts). Sooner or later, I'll take the plunge (as will we all, no doubt) ...but I personally don't yet feel the urgent nag of deprivation. -- - - - - - - ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Flasherly at December 31, 2007, 10:40 am | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 31, 2:21 pm, meta wrote: Quote:i wonder if this is because even if these consumers have HDTV sets/ tuners, most DVD players only output SD signals, which means they're only viewing a standard definition picture anyways. most people wouldn't notice the difference unless it was pointed out to them by someone who is familiar. guess that's the story of our consumer culture - it is our duty to need to want more. certainly, there is always the quest to improve but sometimes better is the enemy good. SD will go out soon enough (FCC regulated), glass CRTs not long after for LCD HDTV. Upconverting settop DVD are already mainstream priced -- $50 at Phillips I was looking at Walmart last week (for a was- friend until he whined one too many times). 480/720/1080/1920 - it's more than I care to know. I've HDTV via a little computer I built and seldom watch aerial reception. No cable. Software to work with aspect ratios to get a full HDLCD screen: I paid for "37 of screen, not to watch black boarders, and that's all ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: meta at December 31, 2007, 9:21 am | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | i wonder if this is because even if these consumers have HDTV sets/ tuners, most DVD players only output SD signals, which means they're only viewing a standard definition picture anyways. most people wouldn't notice the difference unless it was pointed out to them by someone who is familiar. guess that's the story of our consumer culture - it is our duty to need to want more. certainly, there is always the quest to improve but sometimes better is the enemy good. nonetheless, great article and a great post. cheers. = m On Dec 31, 11:47 am, moviePig wrote: Quote:Good, straightforward article. (Sample resonant excerpt: "Almost three-quarters of ... HDTV owners surveyed said that standard DVD was good enough for them.") http://tinyurl.com/24gze7 -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at December 31, 2007, 7:47 am | | Topic: NYTimes: BluRay vs. HD-DVD Forum: groupsrv | | Good, straightforward article. (Sample resonant excerpt: "Almost three-quarters of ... HDTV owners surveyed said that standard DVD was good enough for them.") http://tinyurl.com/24gze7 -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com | | Static Link |
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