| Posted by: Alric Knebel at January 16, 2008, 8:12 am | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 15, 10:56 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 15, 8:18 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 8:05 pm, d...@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote: In article wrote: On Jan 15, 6:29=A0pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 15, 5:58=A0pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 5:22=A0pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 15, 3:44=A0pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 10:49=A0am, moviePig wrote: ... every time I see one of those employee-of-the-month photos, the wo= rd I think first is 'exploitation'... Yep, hiring 'em, paying 'em, and praising 'em - that's exploitation.= (You seem unable to disagree without being deliberately obtuse. =A0Whe= n you write something that I think at least you believe, then I may try to rebut...) I thought I was being sarcastic. =A0But if you want it spelled out, I don't think voluntary employment (it's not conscription), and recognition of above average performance, is exploitation. The exploitation comes in "praising 'em" as a profitable substitute for "paying 'em", and as a means of squeezing 'em for their competiti... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 16, 2008, 7:32 am | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 16, 11:29 am, moviePig wrote: Quote:... (I wonder what *your* spin is when the Commies do *exactly* the same thing.) ... Have you read 'The Communist Manifesto', by the way? I read it a couple of weeks ago, and posted an outline in another thread. I recommend it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 16, 2008, 7:09 am | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 16, 11:29 am, moviePig wrote: Quote:On Jan 16, 9:54 am, Calvin wrote: On Jan 16, 9:26 am, moviePig wrote: The employee-of-the-month award is, in my view, a researched corporate technique of psychological manipulation that (e.g.)McDonald's uses to increase productivity. No more, no less. Meanwhile - and you will know this better than I - wasn't a similar practice common throughout Soviet Russia's collectives?... (or maybe I'm thinking of China's 'Model Worker Award'...) In communist collectives, the workers didn't have the freedom to seek better employment. So 'model worker' and 'employee of the month' are two entirely different things. No doubt 'employee of the month' awards are calculated to produce better employee effort, and there's nothing whatever wrong with that. Calling it 'psychological manipulation' is just your spin. Again, the employees are free. If they feel manipulated, they can seek a better situation. No, 'psychological manipulation' isn't my "spin"... it's what it *is*. My *spin*,... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 16, 2008, 6:29 am | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 16, 9:54 am, Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 16, 9:26 am, moviePig wrote: On Jan 16, 12:16 am, Calvin wrote: I forgot to mention the main point, which is that as usual when I'm put on the defensive, it's you who has said the outrageous thing, this time it being that 'an employee of the month award is exploitation'. Defend that, and shut up about how horrible it is that I appreciate capitalism. And the hell with your ridiculing the perfectly proper action of seeking better employment while using your previous achievements and honors as resume items. I doubt many here think it's "horrible" that you appreciate Capitalism (to within an inch of its life). The difficulty arises when you wield it as a sacrament empowered to stifle all further argument or scrutiny. The employee-of-the-month award is, in my view, a researched corporate technique of psychological manipulation that (e.g.)McDonald's uses to increase productivity. No more, no less. Meanwhile - and you will know this better than I - wasn't a similar... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 16, 2008, 4:54 am | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 16, 9:26 am, moviePig wrote: Quote:On Jan 16, 12:16 am, Calvin wrote: I forgot to mention the main point, which is that as usual when I'm put on the defensive, it's you who has said the outrageous thing, this time it being that 'an employee of the month award is exploitation'. Defend that, and shut up about how horrible it is that I appreciate capitalism. And the hell with your ridiculing the perfectly proper action of seeking better employment while using your previous achievements and honors as resume items. I doubt many here think it's "horrible" that you appreciate Capitalism (to within an inch of its life). The difficulty arises when you wield it as a sacrament empowered to stifle all further argument or scrutiny. The employee-of-the-month award is, in my view, a researched corporate technique of psychological manipulation that (e.g.)McDonald's uses to increase productivity. No more, no less. Meanwhile - and you will know this better than I - wasn't a similar practice common throughout Soviet... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 16, 2008, 4:26 am | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 16, 12:16 am, Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 15, 10:56 pm, moviePig wrote: Can't say I've a firm grip on what you're aiming for here, or from where, but... I do spot some fantasy lighting in your picture of what awaits our McDonald's employee as he walks into Burger King waving his employee-of-the-month photo... I forgot to mention the main point, which is that as usual when I'm put on the defensive, it's you who has said the outrageous thing, this time it being that 'an employee of the month award is exploitation'. Defend that, and shut up about how horrible it is that I appreciate capitalism. And the hell with your ridiculing the perfectly proper action of seeking better employment while using your previous achievements and honors as resume items. I doubt many here think it's "horrible" that you appreciate Capitalism (to within an inch of its life). The difficulty arises when you wield it as a sacrament empowered to stifle all further argument or scrutiny. The employee-of-the-month award is, in my view... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DK at January 16, 2008, 1:36 am | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:how horrible it is that I appreciate capitalism. And the hell with your ridiculing the perfectly proper action of seeking better employment while using your previous achievements and honors as resume items. Near complete decoupling from reality and near absolute capacity of denial... That's your perfect Republican AKA typical Calvin type. In a world where hyped up crap invariably wins over quality products, these creatures religiously cling to the notion that "free market will sort it all out". | | Static Link |
| Posted by: DK at January 15, 2008, 9:05 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:On Jan 15, 6:29=A0pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 15, 5:58=A0pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 5:22=A0pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 15, 3:44=A0pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 10:49=A0am, moviePig wrote: ... every time I see one of those employee-of-the-month photos, the wo= rd I think first is 'exploitation'... Yep, hiring 'em, paying 'em, and praising 'em - that's exploitation.= (You seem unable to disagree without being deliberately obtuse. =A0Whe= n you write something that I think at least you believe, then I may try to rebut...) I thought I was being sarcastic. =A0But if you want it spelled out, I don't think voluntary employment (it's not conscription), and recognition of above average performance, is exploitation. The exploitation comes in "praising 'em" as a profitable substitute for "paying 'em", and as a means of squeezing 'em for their competitive juices. =A0If my kid worked at McDonald's and won employee- of-the-month, I'd hope it was with a deep ulterior motive... the more Machiavellian t... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 15, 2008, 7:16 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 10:56 pm, moviePig wrote: Quote:Can't say I've a firm grip on what you're aiming for here, or from where, but... I do spot some fantasy lighting in your picture of what awaits our McDonald's employee as he walks into Burger King waving his employee-of-the-month photo... I forgot to mention the main point, which is that as usual when I'm put on the defensive, it's you who has said the outrageous thing, this time it being that 'an employee of the month award is exploitation'. Defend that, and shut up about how horrible it is that I appreciate capitalism. And the hell with your ridiculing the perfectly proper action of seeking better employment while using your previous achievements and honors as resume items. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 15, 2008, 7:05 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 10:56 pm, moviePig wrote: Quote:On Jan 15, 8:18 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 8:05 pm, d...@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote: In article wrote: On Jan 15, 6:29=A0pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 15, 5:58=A0pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 5:22=A0pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 15, 3:44=A0pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 10:49=A0am, moviePig wrote: ... every time I see one of those employee-of-the-month photos, the wo> > > >rd I think first is 'exploitation'... Yep, hiring 'em, paying 'em, and praising 'em - that's exploitation. (You seem unable to disagree without being deliberately obtuse. =A0Whe> > > >n you write something that I think at least you believe, then I may try to rebut...) I thought I was being sarcastic. =A0But if you want it spelled out, I don't think voluntary employment (it's not conscription), and recognition of above average performance, is exploitation. The exploitation comes in "praising 'em" as a profitable substitute for "paying 'em", and as a means of squeezing 'em ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 15, 2008, 5:56 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 8:18 pm, Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 15, 8:05 pm, d...@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote: In article wrote: On Jan 15, 6:29=A0pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 15, 5:58=A0pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 5:22=A0pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 15, 3:44=A0pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 10:49=A0am, moviePig wrote: ... every time I see one of those employee-of-the-month photos, the wo> > >rd I think first is 'exploitation'... Yep, hiring 'em, paying 'em, and praising 'em - that's exploitation. (You seem unable to disagree without being deliberately obtuse. =A0Whe> > >n you write something that I think at least you believe, then I may try to rebut...) I thought I was being sarcastic. =A0But if you want it spelled out, I don't think voluntary employment (it's not conscription), and recognition of above average performance, is exploitation. The exploitation comes in "praising 'em" as a profitable substitute for "paying 'em", and as a means of squeezing 'em for their competitive juices. =A0If my kid work... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 15, 2008, 3:18 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 8:05 pm, d...@no.email.thankstospam.net (DK) wrote: Quote:In article wrote: On Jan 15, 6:29=A0pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 15, 5:58=A0pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 5:22=A0pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 15, 3:44=A0pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 10:49=A0am, moviePig wrote: ... every time I see one of those employee-of-the-month photos, the wo> >rd I think first is 'exploitation'... Yep, hiring 'em, paying 'em, and praising 'em - that's exploitation. (You seem unable to disagree without being deliberately obtuse. =A0Whe> >n you write something that I think at least you believe, then I may try to rebut...) I thought I was being sarcastic. =A0But if you want it spelled out, I don't think voluntary employment (it's not conscription), and recognition of above average performance, is exploitation. The exploitation comes in "praising 'em" as a profitable substitute for "paying 'em", and as a means of squeezing 'em for their competitive juices. =A0If my kid worked at McDonald's and won employee- of-the-mo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 15, 2008, 1:40 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 6:29 pm, moviePig wrote: Quote:On Jan 15, 5:58 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 5:22 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 15, 3:44 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 10:49 am, moviePig wrote: ... every time I see one of those employee-of-the-month photos, the word I think first is 'exploitation'... Yep, hiring 'em, paying 'em, and praising 'em - that's exploitation. (You seem unable to disagree without being deliberately obtuse. When you write something that I think at least you believe, then I may try to rebut...) I thought I was being sarcastic. But if you want it spelled out, I don't think voluntary employment (it's not conscription), and recognition of above average performance, is exploitation. The exploitation comes in "praising 'em" as a profitable substitute for "paying 'em", and as a means of squeezing 'em for their competitive juices. If my kid worked at McDonald's and won employee- of-the-month, I'd hope it was with a deep ulterior motive... the more Machiavellian the better... If your kid won employee o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 15, 2008, 1:29 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 5:58 pm, Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 15, 5:22 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 15, 3:44 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 10:49 am, moviePig wrote: ... every time I see one of those employee-of-the-month photos, the word I think first is 'exploitation'... Yep, hiring 'em, paying 'em, and praising 'em - that's exploitation. (You seem unable to disagree without being deliberately obtuse. When you write something that I think at least you believe, then I may try to rebut...) I thought I was being sarcastic. But if you want it spelled out, I don't think voluntary employment (it's not conscription), and recognition of above average performance, is exploitation. The exploitation comes in "praising 'em" as a profitable substitute for "paying 'em", and as a means of squeezing 'em for their competitive juices. If my kid worked at McDonald's and won employee- of-the-month, I'd hope it was with a deep ulterior motive... the more Machiavellian the better... -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.co... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 15, 2008, 12:58 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 5:22 pm, moviePig wrote: Quote:On Jan 15, 3:44 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 15, 10:49 am, moviePig wrote: ... every time I see one of those employee-of-the-month photos, the word I think first is 'exploitation'... Yep, hiring 'em, paying 'em, and praising 'em - that's exploitation. (You seem unable to disagree without being deliberately obtuse. When you write something that I think at least you believe, then I may try to rebut...) I thought I was being sarcastic. But if you want it spelled out, I don't think voluntary employment (it's not conscription), and recognition of above average performance, is exploitation. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 15, 2008, 12:22 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 3:44 pm, Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 15, 10:49 am, moviePig wrote: ... every time I see one of those employee-of-the-month photos, the word I think first is 'exploitation'... Yep, hiring 'em, paying 'em, and praising 'em - that's exploitation. (You seem unable to disagree without being deliberately obtuse. When you write something that I think at least you believe, then I may try to rebut...) -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 15, 2008, 10:44 am | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 10:49 am, moviePig wrote: Quote:... every time I see one of those employee-of-the-month photos, the word I think first is 'exploitation'... Yep, hiring 'em, paying 'em, and praising 'em - that's exploitation. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 15, 2008, 6:36 am | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 11:33 am, nick wrote: Quote:On Jan 15, 10:49�am, moviePig wrote: On Jan 15, 3:08�am, "Jim Beaver" wrote: "DK" wrote: "Garondo Marondo" <Classic.Mr.H...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:c6216b6c-0510-4e73-97ce-699db71c13f6@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... LOS ANGELES - The crime tale "No Country for Old Men," the historical epic "There Will Be Blood" and the teen-pregnancy comedy "Juno" were among the Producers Guild of America nominees Monday for best film of 2007. The producers have an award show, too? Do these people never tire of handing each other trophies? Being in "showbiz" is beginning to look an awful lot like being a participant in the tiny tot tetherball league! It's not a show but you are right about awards. The fact of life is that for anyone's career getting anywhere, one's got to have an award. Some award, any award, preferably more than one. So the number of awards multiplies because everyone's got to eat. Supply and demand. Not to mention: �you ever walk the administrati... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: nick at January 15, 2008, 6:33 am | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 10:49�am, moviePig wrote: Quote:On Jan 15, 3:08�am, "Jim Beaver" wrote: "DK" wrote: "Garondo Marondo" <Classic.Mr.H...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:c6216b6c-0510-4e73-97ce-699db71c13f6@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.... LOS ANGELES - The crime tale "No Country for Old Men," the historical epic "There Will Be Blood" and the teen-pregnancy comedy "Juno" were among the Producers Guild of America nominees Monday for best film of 2007. The producers have an award show, too? Do these people never tire of handing each other trophies? Being in "showbiz" is beginning to look an awful lot like being a participant in the tiny tot tetherball league! It's not a show but you are right about awards. The fact of life is that for anyone's career getting anywhere, one's got to have an award. Some award, any award, preferably more than one. So the number of awards multiplies because everyone's got to eat. Supply and demand. Not to mention: �you ever walk the administrative areas of a department store or... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 15, 2008, 5:49 am | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 3:08 am, "Jim Beaver" wrote: Quote:"DK" wrote: "Garondo Marondo" <Classic.Mr.H...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:c6216b6c-0510-4e73-97ce-699db71c13f6@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com.... LOS ANGELES - The crime tale "No Country for Old Men," the historical epic "There Will Be Blood" and the teen-pregnancy comedy "Juno" were among the Producers Guild of America nominees Monday for best film of 2007. The producers have an award show, too? Do these people never tire of handing each other trophies? Being in "showbiz" is beginning to look an awful lot like being a participant in the tiny tot tetherball league! It's not a show but you are right about awards. The fact of life is that for anyone's career getting anywhere, one's got to have an award. Some award, any award, preferably more than one. So the number of awards multiplies because everyone's got to eat. Supply and demand. Not to mention: you ever walk the administrative areas of a department store or factory or high school or insurance office... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jim Beaver at January 15, 2008, 4:08 am | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | "DK" wrote: "Garondo Marondo" <Classic.Mr.Hole@gmail.com> wrote in message news:c6216b6c-0510-4e73-97ce-699db71c13f6@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... LOS ANGELES - The crime tale "No Country for Old Men," the historical epic "There Will Be Blood" and the teen-pregnancy comedy "Juno" were among the Producers Guild of America nominees Monday for best film of 2007. The producers have an award show, too? Do these people never tire of handing each other trophies? Being in "showbiz" is beginning to look an awful lot like being a participant in the tiny tot tetherball league! It's not a show but you are right about awards. The fact of life is that for anyone's career getting anywhere, one's got to have an award. Some award, any award, preferably more than one. So the number of awards multiplies because everyone's got to eat. Supply and demand. Not to mention: you ever walk the administrative areas of a department store or factory or high school or insurance office? "Employee of the month," "Salesman of the Year... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DK at January 14, 2008, 11:20 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote: "Garondo Marondo" <Classic.Mr.Hole@gmail.com> wrote in message news:c6216b6c-0510-4e73-97ce-699db71c13f6@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... LOS ANGELES - The crime tale "No Country for Old Men," the historical epic "There Will Be Blood" and the teen-pregnancy comedy "Juno" were among the Producers Guild of America nominees Monday for best film of 2007. The producers have an award show, too? Do these people never tire of handing each other trophies? Being in "showbiz" is beginning to look an awful lot like being a participant in the tiny tot tetherball league! It's not a show but you are right about awards. The fact of life is that for anyone's career getting anywhere, one's got to have an award. Some award, any award, preferably more than one. So the number of awards multiplies because everyone's got to eat. Supply and demand. DK | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Sandy McDermin at January 14, 2008, 10:24 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | "Garondo Marondo" <Classic.Mr.Hole@gmail.com> wrote in message news:c6216b6c-0510-4e73-97ce-699db71c13f6@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... Quote:LOS ANGELES - The crime tale "No Country for Old Men," the historical epic "There Will Be Blood" and the teen-pregnancy comedy "Juno" were among the Producers Guild of America nominees Monday for best film of 2007. The producers have an award show, too? Do these people never tire of handing each other trophies? Being in "showbiz" is beginning to look an awful lot like being a participant in the tiny tot tetherball league! Sandy | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at January 14, 2008, 10:04 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | atyl wrote: Quote:On Jan 14, 8:52 pm, Derek Janssen wrote: and the lack of a current Mainstream Populist favorite... Juno. Have you seen that box office? Sorry, it can play a jillion theaters, but if it's got "Sundance" pasted on it, it's still Quirky Indie Fan-Following Favorite-- And a 50-50 shot at just locking Original Screenplay, to shut up the overenthusiastic Picure geeks... But, since it's got a Fan-Follwing Actress, too, that puts it squarely in "Let's make 'Little Miss Sunshine' happen twice" wishful-thinking category, and a reserved Picture slot. Derek Janssen ejanss1@verizon.net | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at January 14, 2008, 9:52 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | atyl wrote Quote: LOS ANGELES - The crime tale "No Country for Old Men," the historical epic "There Will Be Blood" and the teen-pregnancy comedy "Juno" were among the Producers Guild of America nominees Monday for best film of 2007. The other nominees were the foreign-language film "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly" and the legal drama "Michael Clayton." Switch "Bell" for "Sweeney Todd", and think we've got our five de facto Oscar nominees, by this point in the January Globes/Guilds/Critics awards roulette-- That's not necessarily a recommendation, just an ability to notice patterns. What pattern? The Five Species of Nominees, "No Country" being relegated to Dreary Critics-Award-Sucker Bet, and the lack of a current Mainstream Populist favorite... Quote:"Sweeney Todd" hasn't won anything except for the Globe last night. It wasn't nominated by the producer's guild, or the director's guild, or the writer's guild. It didn't receive a single Screen Actor's Guild award. It wasn't cited by any critic's groups. It'... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at January 14, 2008, 9:35 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | Garondo Marondo wrote: Quote:LOS ANGELES - The crime tale "No Country for Old Men," the historical epic "There Will Be Blood" and the teen-pregnancy comedy "Juno" were among the Producers Guild of America nominees Monday for best film of 2007. The other nominees were the foreign-language film "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly" and the legal drama "Michael Clayton." Switch "Bell" for "Sweeney Todd", and think we've got our five de facto Oscar nominees, by this point in the January Globes/Guilds/Critics awards roulette-- That's not necessarily a recommendation, just an ability to notice patterns. Derek Janssen ejanss1@verizon.net | | Static Link |
| Posted by: atyl at January 14, 2008, 4:43 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 14, 9:24 pm, "Sandy McDermin" wrote: Quote:"Garondo Marondo" <Classic.Mr.H...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:c6216b6c-0510-4e73-97ce-699db71c13f6@q39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com... LOS ANGELES - The crime tale "No Country for Old Men," the historical epic "There Will Be Blood" and the teen-pregnancy comedy "Juno" were among the Producers Guild of America nominees Monday for best film of 2007. The producers have an award show, too? Well, no. It's not a show, at least. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: nick at January 14, 2008, 4:19 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 14, 9:04�pm, Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:atyl wrote: On Jan 14, 8:52 pm, Derek Janssen wrote: �and the lack of a current Mainstream Populist favorite... Juno. Have you seen that box office? Sorry, it can play a jillion theaters, but if it's got "Sundance" pasted � on it, it's still Quirky Indie Fan-Following Favorite-- And a 50-50 shot at just locking Original Screenplay, to shut up the overenthusiastic Picure geeks... But, since it's got a Fan-Follwing Actress, too, that puts it squarely in "Let's make 'Little Miss Sunshine' happen twice" wishful-thinking category, and a reserved Picture slot. My money's on No Country for Old Men at this point. I'll go with Atonement (which managed to get panned locally by both our daily paper and alt. weekly but it's English and literary so it gets in), Sweeney Todd, NCfOM, There Will Be Blood and probably Juno as the Best Picture noms. In the olden days, there'd be time for backlashes and backlashes against the backlashes but the Oscars come around too quickly ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: atyl at January 14, 2008, 3:43 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 14, 8:35 pm, Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:Garondo Marondo wrote: LOS ANGELES - The crime tale "No Country for Old Men," the historical epic "There Will Be Blood" and the teen-pregnancy comedy "Juno" were among the Producers Guild of America nominees Monday for best film of 2007. The other nominees were the foreign-language film "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly" and the legal drama "Michael Clayton." Switch "Bell" for "Sweeney Todd", and think we've got our five de facto Oscar nominees, by this point in the January Globes/Guilds/Critics awards roulette-- That's not necessarily a recommendation, just an ability to notice patterns. Derek Janssen ejan...@verizon.net What pattern? "Sweeney Todd" hasn't won anything except for the Globe last night. It wasn't nominated by the producer's guild, or the director's guild, or the writer's guild. It didn't receive a single Screen Actor's Guild award. It wasn't cited by any critic's groups. It's a box office under-acheiver. There's nothing to indicate there's any gr... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Garondo Marondo at January 14, 2008, 3:32 pm | | Topic: Producers Guild picks awards nominees Forum: groupsrv | | LOS ANGELES - The crime tale "No Country for Old Men," the historical epic "There Will Be Blood" and the teen-pregnancy comedy "Juno" were among the Producers Guild of America nominees Monday for best film of 2007. The other nominees were the foreign-language film "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly" and the legal drama "Michael Clayton." In the running for best animated film at the Feb. 2 awards ceremony: "Bee Movie," "Ratatouille" and "The Simpsons Movie." For documentaries, the Producers Guild nominated Michael Moore's health-care romp "Sicko," along with the Iraq War tale "Body of War," the deafness narrative "Hear and Now," the music chronicle "Pete Seeger: The Power of Song" and the World War II film "White Light/ Black Rain: The Destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki." Other nominees: * Long-form television: "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee," "The Bronx Is Burning," "High School Musical 2," "Jane Eyre," "The Starter Wife." * Episodic TV comedy: "Entourage," "Extras," "The Office," "30 Rock," "Ugly Betty." ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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