| Posted by: IrishRover63 at January 20, 2008, 12:06 am | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 14, 6:35 pm, RichA wrote: Quote:Probably happened in a crime or history movie and NOT a horror movie. Horror movie killings tend to be quick, even if they are brutal. For instance, the pool cue beating-murder in the movie, "Deep Cover" exceeded in brutality any killing I can recall in a horror movie. I agree that was pretty gross! What about this one? The movie isn't out yet though. It's filming here in Boston. Everyone hates it because it's too violent! I agree. YUCK. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2CsGu5J92Q | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Russell Watson at January 19, 2008, 10:57 am | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:35:08 -0800 (PST), RichA wrote: Quote:Probably happened in a crime or history movie and NOT a horror movie. Horror movie killings tend to be quick, even if they are brutal. For instance, the pool cue beating-murder in the movie, "Deep Cover" exceeded in brutality any killing I can recall in a horror movie. The killing of the British soldier by Mel Gibson with the tomahawk in the scene where they get Heath Ledger back in "The Patriot" is pretty harsh. Somebody mentioned Pesci being taken out by ball bat in "Casino" which brings to mind Deniro as Al Capone in "The Untouchables" taking out one of his henchmen the same way. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Flasherly at January 18, 2008, 4:44 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 18, 8:19 pm, moviePig wrote: Quote: Hope this (from MetaCritic) helps: ----------------- 1. Film: Zodiac, The (2006) 21 Directed by: Alexander Bulkley . Written by: Kelley Bulkeley Alexander Bulkley . Starring: Justin Chambers Robin Tunney Rory Culkin William Mapother Brad William Henke Rex Linn Philip Baker Hall Marty Lindsey . 2. Film: Zodiac (2007) 78 Directed by: David Fincher . Written by: James Vanderbilt Robert Graysmith (book) . Starring: Jake Gyllenhaal Mark Ruffalo Anthony Edwards Robert Downey Jr. Brian Cox John Carroll Lynch Chloë Sevigny Ed Setrakian . ---------------- -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com Except for not being a supportive drift I can follow. I can not, in effect, turn now to the same page if I haven't present access to the better movie, in the first place, from two movies of the same title released within a year of one another. Bad luck, damnably, I consequently then should have access to the worse of the two [within receptions reviewed], so vie... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jim Beaver at January 18, 2008, 4:22 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | "Flasherly" <gjerrell@ij.net> wrote in message news:8ab00946-b311-4a55-8aba-6951ce42aaff@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... Quote: There's no OK or huh about it. The guy's a stone-cold killer still running loose (or closer every day to being already a dead, 35-year- old listening to the Mikado during the 60's heyday). Other than me, there's a whole following of shirt-tail types that follow killers, including the Zodiac. You want simple answers, don't ask complicated questions. I don't want simple answers. I want decipherable answers. And I asked no questions whatsoever. Quote: The big payoff is how it relates to a movie you recommended to me. I recommended no movie to you. Quote:I'm not asking for that, either. It's not worth it, IMHO. What I do however get -- I simply don't think the movie is conclusive -- interesting, vaguely yes, as movies go, though not in the sense originally implied - that I don't care for serial-killers generally or as a whole. (Exceptions excluded on rare occasions. Depp, for instan... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 18, 2008, 3:19 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 18, 7:47 pm, Flasherly wrote: Quote:On Jan 18, 3:22 pm, "Jim Beaver" wrote: And while I liked the film a great deal while having no particular fondness one way or another for "serial killer movies," I don't really care one whit whether you see it or like it. I merely suggested that if it being some sort of stereotypical "serial killer movie", as you feared, was keeping you from seeing it, you might reconsider if you knew that some people, including by extension the screenwriter, don't think of it as a "serial killer movie", you might rethink your reluctance to see it and might possibly enjoy it as much as I did. Beyond that bit of kindness, I don't give a damn. Did you, really. That's nice. That's the way I took your suggestion. Yes, of course, others indeed wouldn't. I do realize that. And a bit of kindness is never amiss, really. Cheapened, trifled, denigrated, yes, but never amiss. You did well to recommend the movie to me. Why can I not enjoy The Zodiac. If I could say in a most direct an... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Flasherly at January 18, 2008, 2:47 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 18, 3:22 pm, "Jim Beaver" wrote: Quote: And while I liked the film a great deal while having no particular fondness one way or another for "serial killer movies," I don't really care one whit whether you see it or like it. I merely suggested that if it being some sort of stereotypical "serial killer movie", as you feared, was keeping you from seeing it, you might reconsider if you knew that some people, including by extension the screenwriter, don't think of it as a "serial killer movie", you might rethink your reluctance to see it and might possibly enjoy it as much as I did. Beyond that bit of kindness, I don't give a damn. Did you, really. That's nice. That's the way I took your suggestion. Yes, of course, others indeed wouldn't. I do realize that. And a bit of kindness is never amiss, really. Cheapened, trifled, denigrated, yes, but never amiss. You did well to recommend the movie to me. Why can I not enjoy The Zodiac. If I could say in a most direct and understandable way, I would. What I've tried... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 18, 2008, 1:00 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 18, 3:22 pm, "Jim Beaver" wrote: Quote:"Flasherly" <gjerr...@ij.net> wrote in message news:8ab00946-b311-4a55-8aba-6951ce42aaff@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com... There's no OK or huh about it. The guy's a stone-cold killer still running loose (or closer every day to being already a dead, 35-year- old listening to the Mikado during the 60's heyday). Other than me, there's a whole following of shirt-tail types that follow killers, including the Zodiac. You want simple answers, don't ask complicated questions. I don't want simple answers. I want decipherable answers. And I asked no questions whatsoever. The big payoff is how it relates to a movie you recommended to me. I recommended no movie to you. I'm not asking for that, either. It's not worth it, IMHO. What I do however get -- I simply don't think the movie is conclusive -- interesting, vaguely yes, as movies go, though not in the sense originally implied - that I don't care for serial-killers generally or as a whole. (Exceptions excluded on... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Flasherly at January 18, 2008, 8:41 am | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 17, 1:38 pm, "Jim Beaver" wrote: Quote:"Flasherly" wrote: On Jan 15, 10:11 pm, "Jim Beaver" wrote: Read an interview with the screenwriter the other day in which the interviewer said, "The thing about ZODIAC is, it's NOT a serial killer movie. It's a newspaper movie." You might give it a shot. Jim Beaver Knarly. OK, I'm ready [or not]. . . --Detective Sergeant Les Lundblad of the Solano County Sheriff's Department investigated the crime, but no solid leads developed. Detective Jack Mulanax takes over a year later. The S.F. cab driver: [reason unknown] Stine drove one block further to Cherry Street; the man shot him once in the head with a 9mm. Yet, The Zodiac movie centers on Lundblad, wife and kid. The kid's attempting to astrologically tie in murders, while the wife's getting ready to pack it up and leave. The Bettyes [Wiki] are credited for solving the cryptogram, yet the SF Chronicle, a few months ago, impugns that translation. S.F. police don't stop the suspect [walking away from cab scene]. They ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jim Beaver at January 17, 2008, 2:38 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | "Flasherly" wrote: On Jan 15, 10:11 pm, "Jim Beaver" wrote: Read an interview with the screenwriter the other day in which the interviewer said, "The thing about ZODIAC is, it's NOT a serial killer movie. It's a newspaper movie." You might give it a shot. Jim Beaver Knarly. OK, I'm ready [or not]. . . --Detective Sergeant Les Lundblad of the Solano County Sheriff's Department investigated the crime, but no solid leads developed. Detective Jack Mulanax takes over a year later. The S.F. cab driver: [reason unknown] Stine drove one block further to Cherry Street; the man shot him once in the head with a 9mm. Yet, The Zodiac movie centers on Lundblad, wife and kid. The kid's attempting to astrologically tie in murders, while the wife's getting ready to pack it up and leave. The Bettyes [Wiki] are credited for solving the cryptogram, yet the SF Chronicle, a few months ago, impugns that translation. S.F. police don't stop the suspect [walking away from cab scene]. They drive past, do not question him, because he's ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Guest at January 17, 2008, 2:02 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | The slow heart-stabbing at the end of Saving Private Ryan? I could only watch that once, and now I avoid the whole end of that movie. -- Doug Appleyard To reply, my-name (in e-mail address) is dougappleyard -------------------- http://NewsReader.Com/ -------------------- Usenet Newsgroup Service | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Smokie Darling (Annie) at January 17, 2008, 10:08 am | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 14, 4:35 pm, RichA wrote: Quote:Probably happened in a crime or history movie and NOT a horror movie. Horror movie killings tend to be quick, even if they are brutal. For instance, the pool cue beating-murder in the movie, "Deep Cover" exceeded in brutality any killing I can recall in a horror movie. As Mr. Appleyard said, the stabbing at the end of Saving Private Ryan (though the storming of Omaha Beach wasn't all that easy to watch either) was ... beautifully brutal? Then a scene you don't really see, but in Scarface, when Al Pacino's 'friend/brother' (I don't remember which) is killed with the chain saw was pretty brutal. I would say the death of John Wayne's character in The Cowboys. It was the first one I thought of when I read the subject. My mother-in- law still hates Bruce Dern for that (yes, she knows it was only a movie, but still, he killed the Duke). I guess I just find beating someone to death to be much more brutal than stabbing, or shooting, or even dismembering. It's so much more perso... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: RogerM at January 16, 2008, 9:58 am | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | Russell Watson wrote: Quote: More fantasy than horror, but remember the shock when the baby dragons ate the virgin sacrifice alive in "Dragonslayer"? "Oh my God, I thought this was fuckin' DISNEY movie! Get the kids outta here quick, and cover their eyes!" Oh yes. That one got to me, as well. -- | | Static Link |
| Posted by: RogerM at January 16, 2008, 9:56 am | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | Michael O'Connor wrote: Quote: Joe Pesci being beat repeatedly with baseball bats (then being buried alive) in Casino was really disturbing. Sounds like comedy to me. -- | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jeffy3 at January 16, 2008, 3:43 am | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 8:50 pm, "Michael O'Connor" wrote: Quote:Joe Pesci being beat repeatedly with baseball bats (then being buried alive) in Casino was really disturbing. As was Pesci's murder of Frank Vincent in GOODFELLAS! The first murder in CRUISING was pretty disturbing. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Russell Watson at January 15, 2008, 11:51 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:50:52 -0400, RogerM wrote: Quote:RichA wrote: Probably happened in a crime or history movie and NOT a horror movie. Horror movie killings tend to be quick, even if they are brutal. For instance, the pool cue beating-murder in the movie, "Deep Cover" exceeded in brutality any killing I can recall in a horror movie. Why am I not surprised this is one of Rich's threads? Anyway...there have been plenty of horror films with scenes of people being torn apart and eaten while still alive. More fantasy than horror, but remember the shock when the baby dragons ate the virgin sacrifice alive in "Dragonslayer"? "Oh my God, I thought this was fuckin' DISNEY movie! Get the kids outta here quick, and cover their eyes!" | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Flasherly at January 15, 2008, 11:50 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 11:36 pm, Flasherly wrote: Quote:On Jan 15, 10:11 pm, "Jim Beaver" wrote: Read an interview with the screenwriter the other day in which the interviewer said, "The thing about ZODIAC is, it's NOT a serial killer movie. It's a newspaper movie." You might give it a shot. Jim Beaver Knarly. OK, I'm ready [or not]. . . --Detective Sergeant Les Lundblad of the Solano County Sheriff's Department investigated the crime, but no solid leads developed. Detective Jack Mulanax takes over a year later. The S.F. cab driver: [reason unknown] Stine drove one block further to Cherry Street; the man shot him once in the head with a 9mm. Yet, The Zodiac movie centers on Lundblad, wife and kid. The kid's attempting to astrologically tie in murders, while the wife's getting ready to pack it up and leave. The Bettyes [Wiki] are credited for solving the cryptogram, yet the SF Chronicle, a few months ago, impugns that translation. S.F. police don't stop the suspect [walking away from cab scene]. They drive past, do not qu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jim Beaver at January 15, 2008, 11:11 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | "Flasherly" wrote: Keith Carradine in "McCabe and Mrs. Miller" Call me old school. Warren Beatty -- hell of a movie because of the killing - because sad is as sorry as screwing a classy whore that's been around once too many times to know (or care, who the hell knows) any different: May I interest you in a losing proposition, Old School. . . Irreversible, yes. Japanese Audition I've looked over a couple times but haven't actually sat down yet for. Zodiac - I could, except I'd have to excuse myself for bias -- I strong tend to dislike serial- killer movies. Read an interview with the screenwriter the other day in which the interviewer said, "The thing about ZODIAC is, it's NOT a serial killer movie. It's a newspaper movie." You might give it a shot. Jim Beaver | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jim Beaver at January 15, 2008, 7:51 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | "Jeffy3" wrote: Quote:On Jan 14, 6:35 pm, RichA wrote: Probably happened in a crime or history movie and NOT a horror movie. Horror movie killings tend to be quick, even if they are brutal. For instance, the pool cue beating-murder in the movie, "Deep Cover" exceeded in brutality any killing I can recall in a horror movie. Queen's Bench VII - LUris. The bound girl in the park getting stabbed in last year's ZODIAC was pretty harsh, ------- Yes, indeed. I'm reminded to of AUDITION. That one had some pretty hard to take stuff of this nature. Jim Beaver | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Flasherly at January 15, 2008, 6:36 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 10:11 pm, "Jim Beaver" wrote: Quote:"Flasherly" wrote: Keith Carradine in "McCabe and Mrs. Miller" Call me old school. Warren Beatty -- hell of a movie because of the killing - because sad is as sorry as screwing a classy whore that's been around once too many times to know (or care, who the hell knows) any different: May I interest you in a losing proposition, Old School. . . Irreversible, yes. Japanese Audition I've looked over a couple times but haven't actually sat down yet for. Zodiac - I could, except I'd have to excuse myself for bias -- I strong tend to dislike serial- killer movies. Read an interview with the screenwriter the other day in which the interviewer said, "The thing about ZODIAC is, it's NOT a serial killer movie. It's a newspaper movie." You might give it a shot. Jim Beaver Knarly. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Flasherly at January 15, 2008, 5:02 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 8:33 pm, tomcervo wrote: Quote:Keith Carradine in "McCabe and Mrs. Miller" Call me old school. Warren Beatty -- hell of a movie because of the killing - because sad is as sorry as screwing a classy whore that's been around once too many times to know (or care, who the hell knows) any different: May I interest you in a losing proposition, Old School. . . Irreversible, yes. Japanese Audition I've looked over a couple times but haven't actually sat down yet for. Zodiac - I could, except I'd have to excuse myself for bias -- I strong tend to dislike serial- killer movies. QB7 - 30 minutes of b&w "genuine, the real-deal Nazi snuff archival celluloid" - come on, keep 'em coming. -- Easily, the all-time greatest quote from any move made: 'I can't believe this is really happening.' | | Static Link |
| Posted by: RogerM at January 15, 2008, 1:50 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | RichA wrote: Quote: Probably happened in a crime or history movie and NOT a horror movie. Horror movie killings tend to be quick, even if they are brutal. For instance, the pool cue beating-murder in the movie, "Deep Cover" exceeded in brutality any killing I can recall in a horror movie. Why am I not surprised this is one of Rich's threads? Anyway...there have been plenty of horror films with scenes of people being torn apart and eaten while still alive. -- | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jeffy3 at January 15, 2008, 11:03 am | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 1:37 pm, Flasherly wrote: Quote:On Jan 14, 6:35 pm, RichA wrote: Probably happened in a crime or history movie and NOT a horror movie. Horror movie killings tend to be quick, even if they are brutal. For instance, the pool cue beating-murder in the movie, "Deep Cover" exceeded in brutality any killing I can recall in a horror movie. Queen's Bench VII - LUris. The bound girl in the park getting stabbed in last year's ZODIAC was pretty harsh, as was the guy getting his head bashed in in the French IRREVERSIBLE. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Flasherly at January 15, 2008, 8:37 am | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 14, 6:35 pm, RichA wrote: Quote:Probably happened in a crime or history movie and NOT a horror movie. Horror movie killings tend to be quick, even if they are brutal. For instance, the pool cue beating-murder in the movie, "Deep Cover" exceeded in brutality any killing I can recall in a horror movie. Queen's Bench VII - LUris. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 15, 2008, 8:19 am | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 14, 6:35 pm, RichA wrote: Quote:Probably happened in a crime or history movie and NOT a horror movie. Horror movie killings tend to be quick, even if they are brutal. For instance, the pool cue beating-murder in the movie, "Deep Cover" exceeded in brutality any killing I can recall in a horror movie. If "brutal killing" is to be taken literally, then I'd assume the Award would go to, say, any of the several dozen scenes where people are fed slowly into Cuisinart-like devices. But if instead it's supposed to reflect a successful brutalizing of the *audience*, then, of course, those scenes are always far more silly than "brutal". So, I'd nominate perhaps the murder scene in STRANGE DAYS, where (iirc) relatively little happens on-screen. Or, if the victim need not gratify us by actually expiring, there's always the aptly named MISERY. (But maybe I miss the point of the thread...) -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Manco at January 15, 2008, 12:09 am | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | RichA wrote: Quote:Probably happened in a crime or history movie and NOT a horror movie. Horror movie killings tend to be quick, even if they are brutal. For instance, the pool cue beating-murder in the movie, "Deep Cover" exceeded in brutality any killing I can recall in a horror movie. Ummm the rack scene in Saw III? That has to be it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Abu Masad al-Icebreaker at January 14, 2008, 8:13 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in message news:4d12b115-80dd-449c-837e-93de79a5e8ff@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... Quote:Probably happened in a crime or history movie and NOT a horror movie. Horror movie killings tend to be quick, even if they are brutal. For instance, the pool cue beating-murder in the movie, "Deep Cover" exceeded in brutality any killing I can recall in a horror movie. Murphy's death in Robocop was pretty intense. Though Spooks (MI-5 to BBC America viewers) is not a movie, it did involve one of the most gut-wrenching deaths I ever saw on television: death by deep fry oven. It happened to a female operative in the second episode of the first season; her faced was shoved into a boiling frying vat. It was so excruciating I've yet to forget it completely. That's when I knew this tv series was for real and wasn't going to pull any punches. ------------------------------------- Icebreaker "Bill is every bit as black as Barack. He's probably gone with more black women than Barack." | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Abu Masad al-Icebreaker at January 14, 2008, 8:11 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | "RichA" <rander3127@gmail.com> wrote in message news:4d12b115-80dd-449c-837e-93de79a5e8ff@f47g2000hsd.googlegroups.com... Quote:Probably happened in a crime or history movie and NOT a horror movie. Horror movie killings tend to be quick, even if they are brutal. For instance, the pool cue beating-murder in the movie, "Deep Cover" exceeded in brutality any killing I can recall in a horror movie. Murphy's death in Robocop was pretty intense. Though Spooks (MI-5 to BBC America viewers) is not a movie, it did involve one of the most gut-wrenching deaths I ever saw on television: death by deep fry oven. It happened to a female operative in the second episode of the first season; her faced was shoved into a boiling frying vat. It was so excruciating I've yet to forget it completely. That's when I knew this tv series was for real and wasn't going to pull any punches. ------------------------------------- Icebreaker "Bill is every bit as black as Barack. He's probably gone with more black women than Barack." | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at January 14, 2008, 7:41 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | RichA wrote: Quote:Probably happened in a crime or history movie and NOT a horror movie. Horror movie killings tend to be quick, even if they are brutal. For instance, the pool cue beating-murder in the movie, "Deep Cover" exceeded in brutality any killing I can recall in a horror movie. Thanks for sharing. Derek Janssen (what, were we supposed to, like, *answer*, or...?) ejanss1@verizon.net | | Static Link |
| Posted by: RichA at January 14, 2008, 1:35 pm | | Topic: Most brutal killing in any film Forum: groupsrv | | Probably happened in a crime or history movie and NOT a horror movie. Horror movie killings tend to be quick, even if they are brutal. For instance, the pool cue beating-murder in the movie, "Deep Cover" exceeded in brutality any killing I can recall in a horror movie. | | Static Link |
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