| Posted by: Guest at January 23, 2008, 3:51 am | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 6, 1:15 am, RichA wrote: Quote:Even the most strident leftwing rabids in Hollywood have got to admit it deserves some kind of art, costume or special effects award, even if they hated the storyline. Well, it was certainly denied Oscar nominations. So I guess that counts as denying it any Oscars. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Red Cloud at January 22, 2008, 11:12 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 6, 4:39 am, "Manco" wrote: Quote:Invid Fan wrote: In article wrote: "RichA" <rander3...@gmail.com> wrote in message news:edb8ca46-e8d7-4607-b72d-e4245ed434ad@21g2000hsj.googlegroups.com... Even the most strident leftwing rabids in Hollywood have got to admit it deserves some kind of art, costume or special effects award, even if they hated the storyline. Hey, the "strident leftwing rabids" in Hollywood MADE "300." Well, it's the story of a small group resisting an invasion by a superpower, so obviously anti-American :) Way to simplify things. A small democratic freedom-loving nation resisting invasion by the backwards Eastern powers. /"\ |\./| | | | | |><| | | /'\| |/'\.. /~\| | | | \ | =[@]= | | | | | | | \ | ~ ~ ~ ~ |` ) | / \ / \ / | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Invid Fan at January 15, 2008, 11:10 am | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:On Jan 15, 6:59 am, Invid Fan wrote: Calvin wrote: But you can have the gods as dicks. Not interested, thank you. No need to bash the Greek religion like that :) Actually, you and Jared have led me to rethink this. I think I will re-read the mythology and finish reading the Iliad, keeping in mind that this is the way the Greeks and their gods related, and forgetting my idealization of them, at least for the time being. It IS hard for anyone, me included, to realize that others have different takes on what a "god" is. Too often people are just talking past each other in that regard. If a non-theist has any advantage, it's that by not having a vested interest in any one view we can look at all the different faiths equally. I love learning about different religions, as humans have come up with so many interesting variations. Nothing confuses my co-workers more then them hearing the resident heathen listening to lectures on Zoroasterism or the letters of Paul :) -- Chris Mack "Refugee, to... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: trotsky at January 15, 2008, 9:29 am | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 14, 10:24 pm, Jared wrote: On Jan 15, 3:08 am, Calvin wrote: That's why I have a hard time reading the Iliad; the gods and the heroes are so petty. Who wants to read about pettiness, especially in the gods? I want the gods to be perfect in their various aspects, and that rules out pettiness. No offence, but the Iliad has been going strong for what, 2,800 years, so plenty of people obviously do want to read about them. I actually like the Greek mythology - it has a certain logic to it. Why do bad things happen to good people? Because the Gods are dicks. I gave the wrong impression. I'm interested in most things Greek, That much I believe. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Invid Fan at January 15, 2008, 7:59 am | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:But you can have the gods as dicks. Not interested, thank you. No need to bash the Greek religion like that :) -- Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us. 'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us." -'Deal/No Deal', CHESS | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 15, 2008, 4:56 am | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 6:59 am, Invid Fan wrote: Quote:Calvin wrote: But you can have the gods as dicks. Not interested, thank you. No need to bash the Greek religion like that Actually, you and Jared have led me to rethink this. I think I will re-read the mythology and finish reading the Iliad, keeping in mind that this is the way the Greeks and their gods related, and forgetting my idealization of them, at least for the time being. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Invid Fan at January 14, 2008, 10:39 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:On Jan 14, 8:18 pm, David Johnston wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:00:28 -0800 (PST), Calvin cri...@windstream.net> wrote: On Jan 14, 5:22 pm, David Johnston wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:08:37 -0800 (PST), Calvin cri...@windstream.net> wrote: On Jan 13, 11:16 pm, Jared wrote: ... One of the nice touches to the Iliad is that how petty and flawed the Gods turn out to be - it emphasies the heroic behaviours of the mortals. That's why I have a herd time reading the Illiad; the gods and the heroes are so petty. Who wants to read about pettiness, especially in the gods? I want the gods to be perfect in their various aspects, and that rules out pettiness. After all we live in a perfect world so the people who run it should be perfect. Assuming that the Greek gods are true, which is the only way I like to approach them, how can we model ourselves on the ideal (failing as we do, but capable of trying again), if they don't embody the ideal? "True" and "ideal" are mutually exclusive conc... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: David Johnston at January 14, 2008, 9:18 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:00:28 -0800 (PST), Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 14, 5:22 pm, David Johnston wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:08:37 -0800 (PST), Calvin cri...@windstream.net> wrote: On Jan 13, 11:16 pm, Jared wrote: ... One of the nice touches to the Iliad is that how petty and flawed the Gods turn out to be - it emphasies the heroic behaviours of the mortals. That's why I have a herd time reading the Illiad; the gods and the heroes are so petty. Who wants to read about pettiness, especially in the gods? I want the gods to be perfect in their various aspects, and that rules out pettiness. After all we live in a perfect world so the people who run it should be perfect. Assuming that the Greek gods are true, which is the only way I like to approach them, how can we model ourselves on the ideal (failing as we do, but capable of trying again), if they don't embody the ideal? "True" and "ideal" are mutually exclusive concepts. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Invid Fan at January 14, 2008, 7:30 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:On Jan 13, 11:16 pm, Jared wrote: ... One of the nice touches to the Iliad is that how petty and flawed the Gods turn out to be - it emphasies the heroic behaviours of the mortals. That's why I have a herd time reading the Illiad; the gods and the heroes are so petty. Who wants to read about pettiness, especially in the gods? I want the gods to be perfect in their various aspects, and that rules out pettiness. Nothing wrong with a religion that tries to figure out why life often sucks and is so random by saying the Gods are insane :) Quote:(Of course atheists want to see all gods taken town; not that you're an atheist; I have no idea.) Actually, we're fine with perfect gods as they're just like any other character in a story. Write them well, and we'll enjoy it. -- Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us. 'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us." -'Deal/No Deal', CHESS | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 14, 2008, 7:13 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 14, 10:24 pm, Jared wrote: Quote:On Jan 15, 3:08 am, Calvin wrote: That's why I have a hard time reading the Iliad; the gods and the heroes are so petty. Who wants to read about pettiness, especially in the gods? I want the gods to be perfect in their various aspects, and that rules out pettiness. No offence, but the Iliad has been going strong for what, 2,800 years, so plenty of people obviously do want to read about them. I actually like the Greek mythology - it has a certain logic to it. Why do bad things happen to good people? Because the Gods are dicks. I gave the wrong impression. I'm interested in most things Greek, but Aeschylus and Sophocles are much more interesting to me than the Iliad. Their plays are mostly based on Homer, but I like Homer as seen through their eyes, not so much straight up. The way Mary Renault presents the gods and heroes is best of all, to me, for example 'The Mask of Apollo' which I re-read recently, puts it all together: the theater, one of the Gods, Plato, and h... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: David Johnston at January 14, 2008, 6:22 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:08:37 -0800 (PST), Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 13, 11:16 pm, Jared wrote: ... One of the nice touches to the Iliad is that how petty and flawed the Gods turn out to be - it emphasies the heroic behaviours of the mortals. That's why I have a herd time reading the Illiad; the gods and the heroes are so petty. Who wants to read about pettiness, especially in the gods? I want the gods to be perfect in their various aspects, and that rules out pettiness. After all we live in a perfect world so the people who run it should be perfect. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jared at January 14, 2008, 5:30 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 10:00 am, Calvin wrote: Quote: Assuming that the Greek gods are true, which is the only way I like to approach them, how can we model ourselves on the ideal (failing as we do, but capable of trying again), if they don't embody the ideal? I think they do represent an ideal, just not a 21st Century Western one. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jared at January 14, 2008, 5:24 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 15, 3:08 am, Calvin wrote: Quote: That's why I have a herd time reading the Illiad; the gods and the heroes are so petty. Who wants to read about pettiness, especially in the gods? I want the gods to be perfect in their various aspects, and that rules out pettiness. No offence, but the Iliad has been going strong for what, 2,800 years, so plenty of people obviously do want to read about them. I actually like the Greek mythology - it has a certain logic to it. Why do bad things happen to good people? Because the Gods are dicks. Quote:(Of course atheists want to see all gods taken town; not that you're an atheist; I have no idea.) Actually I am, or at least agnostic, but I don't follow your logic. I don't believe in Santa Claus but I don't want him to get stuck in the chimney. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 14, 2008, 3:29 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 14, 8:18 pm, David Johnston wrote: Quote:On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:00:28 -0800 (PST), Calvin cri...@windstream.net> wrote: On Jan 14, 5:22 pm, David Johnston wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:08:37 -0800 (PST), Calvin cri...@windstream.net> wrote: On Jan 13, 11:16 pm, Jared wrote: ... One of the nice touches to the Iliad is that how petty and flawed the Gods turn out to be - it emphasies the heroic behaviours of the mortals. That's why I have a herd time reading the Illiad; the gods and the heroes are so petty. Who wants to read about pettiness, especially in the gods? I want the gods to be perfect in their various aspects, and that rules out pettiness. After all we live in a perfect world so the people who run it should be perfect. Assuming that the Greek gods are true, which is the only way I like to approach them, how can we model ourselves on the ideal (failing as we do, but capable of trying again), if they don't embody the ideal? "True" and "ideal" are mutually exclusive concepts. By 'true' I ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 14, 2008, 1:00 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 14, 5:22 pm, David Johnston wrote: Quote:On Mon, 14 Jan 2008 08:08:37 -0800 (PST), Calvin cri...@windstream.net> wrote: On Jan 13, 11:16 pm, Jared wrote: ... One of the nice touches to the Iliad is that how petty and flawed the Gods turn out to be - it emphasies the heroic behaviours of the mortals. That's why I have a herd time reading the Illiad; the gods and the heroes are so petty. Who wants to read about pettiness, especially in the gods? I want the gods to be perfect in their various aspects, and that rules out pettiness. After all we live in a perfect world so the people who run it should be perfect. Assuming that the Greek gods are true, which is the only way I like to approach them, how can we model ourselves on the ideal (failing as we do, but capable of trying again), if they don't embody the ideal? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 14, 2008, 7:27 am | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 14, 11:26 am, Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 14, 11:08 am, Calvin wrote: That's why I have a herd time reading the Illiad; the gods and the heroes are so petty. Who wants to read about pettiness, especially in the gods? I want the gods to be perfect in their various aspects, and that rules out pettiness. (Of course atheists want to see all gods taken town; not that you're an atheist; I have no idea.) hard not herd Iliad not Illiad down not town 'do' not 'want to' -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 14, 2008, 6:26 am | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 14, 11:08 am, Calvin wrote: Quote:That's why I have a herd time reading the Illiad; the gods and the heroes are so petty. Who wants to read about pettiness, especially in the gods? I want the gods to be perfect in their various aspects, and that rules out pettiness. (Of course atheists want to see all gods taken town; not that you're an atheist; I have no idea.) hard not herd Iliad not Illiad down not town (I must learn to proofread *before* posting.) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 14, 2008, 6:08 am | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 13, 11:16 pm, Jared wrote: Quote:... One of the nice touches to the Iliad is that how petty and flawed the Gods turn out to be - it emphasies the heroic behaviours of the mortals. That's why I have a herd time reading the Illiad; the gods and the heroes are so petty. Who wants to read about pettiness, especially in the gods? I want the gods to be perfect in their various aspects, and that rules out pettiness. (Of course atheists want to see all gods taken town; not that you're an atheist; I have no idea.) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: George Peatty at January 12, 2008, 3:36 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:56:30 GMT, Agent Smith wrote: Quote:Did you give up your comics when you left home, and did your mother trash them? I'd buy and trade over the years, and was usually willing to give more than I got, in exchange for what I wanted. I stored most of my collection in a foot locker, and found out the hard way this wasn't good for preserving them in any collectible condition. Most of the rest I sold for a fraction of their worth to a dealer and used that money to put a roof on the house I had at the time .. All I have left that is worth anything are some of the Sim Cerebus's .. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Agent Smith at January 12, 2008, 2:56 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | George Peatty wrote: Boy, do I envy you for being there to see Golden Age comics on sale from the newsstands. I'm not that old, but thanks for the thought. I was there for the start of the Silver Age, though .. I distinctly remember seeing Flash #105 on the stands, though I didn't buy it. But, like you, everything I picked up about the Golden Age, I picked up secondhand. Fandom was far less organized in the early 60's, the valuable books had not yet been consolidated in the hands of a few owners .. so, there were two points which made my experience better than yours: I was closer to the Golden Age in time, so there were more books still around, and, it was possible to stumble occasionally onto a second-hand store that didn't know what it had, and that's exactly what I did. I found Quality books, Fawcetts, EC's, and I don't remember what else .. two for fifteen cents. I bought hundreds of them .. Sadly, all gone now I met another nice guy online, who was trying to sell some of his Doll Man collection, and was ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: trotsky at January 12, 2008, 10:02 am | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | Jared wrote: Quote:On Jan 12, 1:57 am, trotsky wrote: Aren't you boneheads going to mention "Troy"? That was an exercise in lameness, too. Why would you even bother making a film of Troy and leave the Gods out? The whiners were talking about "historical accuracy". Maybe they feel the Gods were part of history, I don't know. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 12, 2008, 8:30 am | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 12, 1:14 pm, Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 12, 12:32 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 12, 11:54 am, Calvin wrote: On Jan 12, 11:33 am, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 11:22 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 11:01 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 10:02 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 7:00 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 6:38 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 6:16 pm, moviePig wrote: (And, you don't know anybody less p.c. than I...) G U F F A W ! ..., feel free to explain... Here's a PC quiz. Please grade yourself. ... But, to the point, are you claiming to know my answer to all those questions? ...or to most? ...or to *any*? If so, then here's a question from me: Have you learned nothing? No, the point is/was whether you are p.c. or not, which has nothing to do with anything I claim, and I said to grade yourself. Only you know your answers. I suspect that your answers (actually opinions, not factual answers) would indicate to you that you are indeed quite p.c., and I, not you, may be the least p.c. person that Rich knows. ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 12, 2008, 8:14 am | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 12, 12:32 pm, moviePig wrote: Quote:On Jan 12, 11:54 am, Calvin wrote: On Jan 12, 11:33 am, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 11:22 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 11:01 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 10:02 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 7:00 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 6:38 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 6:16 pm, moviePig wrote: (And, you don't know anybody less p.c. than I...) G U F F A W ! ..., feel free to explain... Here's a PC quiz. Please grade yourself. ... But, to the point, are you claiming to know my answer to all those questions? ...or to most? ...or to *any*? If so, then here's a question from me: Have you learned nothing? No, the point is/was whether you are p.c. or not, which has nothing to do with anything I claim, and I said to grade yourself. Only you know your answers. I suspect that your answers (actually opinions, not factual answers) would indicate to you that you are indeed quite p.c., and I, not you, may be the least p.c. person that Rich knows. Aha... this is all about p.c.-envy... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 12, 2008, 7:32 am | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 12, 11:54 am, Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 12, 11:33 am, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 11:22 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 11:01 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 10:02 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 7:00 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 6:38 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 6:16 pm, moviePig wrote: (And, you don't know anybody less p.c. than I...) G U F F A W ! ..., feel free to explain... Here's a PC quiz. Please grade yourself. ... But, to the point, are you claiming to know my answer to all those questions? ...or to most? ...or to *any*? If so, then here's a question from me: Have you learned nothing? No, the point is/was whether you are p.c. or not, which has nothing to do with anything I claim, and I said to grade yourself. Only you know your answers. I suspect that your answers (actually opinions, not factual answers) would indicate to you that you are indeed quite p.c., and I, not you, may be the least p.c. person that Rich knows. Aha... this is all about p.c.-envy. I hadn't understood... You underst... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 12, 2008, 6:54 am | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 12, 11:33 am, moviePig wrote: Quote:On Jan 11, 11:22 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 11:01 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 10:02 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 7:00 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 6:38 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 6:16 pm, moviePig wrote: (And, you don't know anybody less p.c. than I...) G U F F A W ! ..., feel free to explain... Here's a PC quiz. Please grade yourself. ... But, to the point, are you claiming to know my answer to all those questions? ...or to most? ...or to *any*? If so, then here's a question from me: Have you learned nothing? No, the point is/was whether you are p.c. or not, which has nothing to do with anything I claim, and I said to grade yourself. Only you know your answers. I suspect that your answers (actually opinions, not factual answers) would indicate to you that you are indeed quite p.c., and I, not you, may be the least p.c. person that Rich knows. Aha... this is all about p.c.-envy. I hadn't understood... You understood all right. You may not be liber... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 12, 2008, 6:33 am | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 11, 11:22 pm, Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 11, 11:01 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 10:02 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 7:00 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 6:38 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 6:16 pm, moviePig wrote: (And, you don't know anybody less p.c. than I...) G U F F A W ! ..., feel free to explain... Here's a PC quiz. Please grade yourself. ... But, to the point, are you claiming to know my answer to all those questions? ...or to most? ...or to *any*? If so, then here's a question from me: Have you learned nothing? No, the point is/was whether you are p.c. or not, which has nothing to do with anything I claim, and I said to grade yourself. Only you know your answers. I suspect that your answers (actually opinions, not factual answers) would indicate to you that you are indeed quite p.c., and I, not you, may be the least p.c. person that Rich knows. Aha... this is all about p.c.-envy. I hadn't understood... -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: David Johnston at January 11, 2008, 11:29 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 19:02:57 -0800 (PST), Calvin wrote: Quote: 5) Should a vehicle carrying people going to work be allowed to get near-boiling coffee at McDonalds so that it will be hot when they get to work? Is there any evidence that woman asked for her coffee to be that hot? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Invid Fan at January 11, 2008, 11:27 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:22:48 -0500, George Peatty peattyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote: On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:49:40 -0800 (PST), Jared wrote: Why would you even bother making a film of Troy and leave the Gods out? I thought the same until I watched the movie. Numerous references to the gods, various oaths taken in their name, and so forth. So, they weren't "left out." We just didn't see any direct intervention from them in the conflict. That's not to say they didn't. We just didn't "see" it, which is, of course, how a skeptic would say it all went down to begin with .. On further consideration, I like this take. It is suitably ambiguous so that the movie doesn't degenerate into a full-blown fable .. I think I would have rather seen a fable. No reason you can't have two versions of the same story. Hell, it would be fun to film them at the same time, one where you see the gods and one where you don't. Maybe "believers" have to wear special glasses to see Apollo and friends :) -- Chris Ma... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: David Johnston at January 11, 2008, 10:01 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 20:22:48 -0500, George Peatty wrote: Quote:On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:49:40 -0800 (PST), Jared wrote: Why would you even bother making a film of Troy and leave the Gods out? I thought the same until I watched the movie. Numerous references to the gods, various oaths taken in their name, and so forth. So, they weren't "left out." We just didn't see any direct intervention from them in the conflict. That's not to say they didn't. We just didn't "see" it, which is, of course, how a skeptic would say it all went down to begin with .. On further consideration, I like this take. It is suitably ambiguous so that the movie doesn't degenerate into a full-blown fable .. I think I would have rather seen a fable. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: George Peatty at January 11, 2008, 9:22 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 16:49:40 -0800 (PST), Jared wrote: Quote:Why would you even bother making a film of Troy and leave the Gods out? I thought the same until I watched the movie. Numerous references to the gods, various oaths taken in their name, and so forth. So, they weren't "left out." We just didn't see any direct intervention from them in the conflict. That's not to say they didn't. We just didn't "see" it, which is, of course, how a skeptic would say it all went down to begin with .. On further consideration, I like this take. It is suitably ambiguous so that the movie doesn't degenerate into a full-blown fable .. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: trotsky at January 11, 2008, 7:25 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | RichA wrote: Quote:I haven't got the patience to deal with another liberal who'd rather bury their head in sand than really listen because what I said isn't "P.C." The Chinese tried to deny genetics in the 1950s because it didn't fit with their ideology, they paid dearly for it. Rich, your vagaries have to be the funniest things I've ever seen on the internet. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: trotsky at January 11, 2008, 6:51 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | RichA wrote: Quote:On Jan 11, 9:57 am, trotsky wrote: Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 12:00 am, Jared wrote: On Jan 11, 3:11 pm, RichA wrote: On Jan 10, 5:24 pm, Calvin wrote: There's so much great movie potential in the ancient world, that has never been realized; we don't need to be giving it fanciful treatments like '300', however entertaining it may be to some. The same entertainment could be produced on other subjects. I have to disagree. We've had "Alexander" and others that have been critical and box office disasters. However, "300" and "Gladiator" were megahits. A long time ago, when I criticized some kind of disco'd up track of Beethoven's Vth someone said at least it exposed young people to something which at its core had some merit. Maybe this is how we should view movies like "Gladiator" or "300" since it's the only way younger people today get exposed to ancient Western history, since Hollywood seems incapable of rendering a good, entertaining and honest depiction of ancient history? Ain't USENET grand?... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: trotsky at January 11, 2008, 6:50 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 11, 10:37 am, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 10:26 am, RichA wrote: But the Greeks believed that, killing the crippled or deformed (and ugliness is a form of deformity) and it's likely most developed the idea by observing animals killing or abandoning their flawed offspring. It is likely any culture who considered themselves progressive thought the same way. 'Ugliness' is not a form of deformity. It's a genetically coherent departure from the species norm ...and, e.g., could (and often does) serve as the basis for a variant in which *it* becomes the standard of beauty. 'Deformity', otoh, is a congenital error in genetic expression. Right, pounce on the letter of what was said, and ignore the gist. Just because Rich didn't repeat "the Greeks believed", you go into full 'correction' mode. I used to think that Calvin had a Christ complex, as if he were being crucified constantly, but now he has turned into Prometheus, and keeps getting his liver eaten by other posters. He probably doesn't ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 11, 2008, 6:22 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 11, 11:01 pm, moviePig wrote: Quote:On Jan 11, 10:02 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 7:00 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 6:38 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 6:16 pm, moviePig wrote: (And, you don't know anybody less p.c. than I...) G U F F A W ! ..., feel free to explain... Here's a PC quiz. Please grade yourself. ... But, to the point, are you claiming to know my answer to all those questions? ...or to most? ...or to *any*? If so, then here's a question from me: Have you learned nothing? No, the point is/was whether you are p.c. or not, which has nothing to do with anything I claim, and I said to grade yourself. Only you know your answers. I suspect that your answers (actually opinions, not factual answers) would indicate to you that you are indeed quite p.c., and I, not you, may be the least p.c. person that Rich knows. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at January 11, 2008, 6:01 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 11, 10:02 pm, Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 11, 7:00 pm, moviePig wrote: On Jan 11, 6:38 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 6:16 pm, moviePig wrote: (And, you don't know anybody less p.c. than I...) G U F F A W ! ..., feel free to explain... Here's a PC quiz. Please grade yourself. 1) Should illegal aliens be able to get drivers licenses? 2) Should a taxi driver be required to take a passenger to a high-crime area late at night? 3) Should the Boy Scouts be required to accept gay scout- masters? 4) Should McDonalds be told how to make their french fries? 5) Should a vehicle carrying people going to work be allowed to get near-boiling coffee at McDonalds so that it will be hot when they get to work? 6) Should a high school or college football team be required to allow females to go out for the team? 7) Should people be allowed to smoke in their own homes? 8) Should businesses be allowed to say whether smoking will be allowed or not? 9) Should a child be suspended from school for drawing a picture of... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 11, 2008, 5:02 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 11, 7:00 pm, moviePig wrote: Quote:On Jan 11, 6:38 pm, Calvin wrote: On Jan 11, 6:16 pm, moviePig wrote: (And, you don't know anybody less p.c. than I...) G U F F A W ! ..., feel free to explain... Here's a PC quiz. Please grade yourself. 1) Should illegal aliens be able to get drivers licenses? 2) Should a taxi driver be required to take a passenger to a high-crime area late at night? 3) Should the Boy Scouts be required to accept gay scout- masters? 4) Should McDonalds be told how to make their french fries? 5) Should a vehicle carrying people going to work be allowed to get near-boiling coffee at McDonalds so that it will be hot when they get to work? 6) Should a high school or college football team be required to allow females to go out for the team? 7) Should people be allowed to smoke in their own homes? 8) Should businesses be allowed to say whether smoking will be allowed or not? 9) Should a child be suspended from school for drawing a picture of a gun? 10) Should a school valadictorian b... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Calvin at January 11, 2008, 3:58 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 11, 7:51 pm, Jared wrote: Quote:On Jan 12, 1:52 am, Calvin wrote: ...Alcabiades was outrageous enough without artistic license taken. TIDES OF WAR might be a better bet for a Pressfield movie now we've had Thermopylae. With David Beckham playing Alcibiades of course. I liked 'Tides of War', but was disappointed that it didn't have more of Socrates in it, since Alcibiades was part of his circle. Even near the end, with Socrates right there, the only connection was with a Socrates devotee who assisted Alcibiades' killer. Also, I didn't understand why the siege and near-starvation of Athens wasn't related, even though the earlier plague was shown in gruesome detail. An excellent book anyway, but I think 'The Last of the Wine' was greater, overall. By David Beckham, I assume you mean the athlete, and though he has a powerful personality, does he have the acting ability to play Alcibiades? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: David Johnston at January 11, 2008, 3:05 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Fri, 11 Jan 2008 06:14:30 -0800 (PST), Calvin wrote: Quote:On Jan 11, 12:25 am, David Johnston wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:00:52 -0800 (PST), Calvin cri...@windstream.net> wrote: On Jan 10, 7:44 pm, David Johnston wrote: That Leonidas murdered the Persian envoy is a matter of historical record. ... Where can this historical record be found? Herodotus doesn't mention it. Really? I'm surprised. OK, I was wrong. I didn't check all of Herodotus last night, but in everything I could find in it about Thermopylae and Leonidas, including the index references, there was nothing. It's conceivable that he said something about it somewhere else in the book, so I'm not claiming final knowledge here. Well I have the impression that I'd heard about killing the Persian envoys before the movie came out, but on later consideration I have no idea where. It could have been from a totallly fictional source. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jared at January 11, 2008, 2:51 pm | | Topic: Will "300" be denied Oscars by Hollywood's radical left? Forum: groupsrv | | On Jan 12, 1:52 am, Calvin wrote: Quote:...Alcabiades was outrageous enough without artistic license taken. TIDES OF WAR might be a better bet for a Pressfield movie now we've had Thermopylae. With David Beckham playing Alcibiades of course. | | Static Link |
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