| Posted by: Derek Janssen at February 13, 2008, 6:01 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | Alric Knebel wrote: Quote: Well, hopefully you'll still remember to get one with an ATSC digital tuner after Feb. 09, or you may find the programming not quite as interesting of late.. I don't know if it's true or not, but I heard that with some sort of adapter, you'll be able to use your old TVs, and that there will be vouchers issued to assist people who can't afford them. Anybody else know any details on this? https://www.dtv2009.gov , if you still want to watch "Heroes" in letterbox. Derek Janssen ejanss1@verizon.net | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at February 13, 2008, 12:55 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 13, 5:01 pm, Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:Alric Knebel wrote: Well, hopefully you'll still remember to get one with an ATSC digital tuner after Feb. 09, or you may find the programming not quite as interesting of late.. I don't know if it's true or not, but I heard that with some sort of adapter, you'll be able to use your old TVs, and that there will be vouchers issued to assist people who can't afford them. Anybody else know any details on this? https://www.dtv2009.gov, if you still want to watch "Heroes" in letterbox. Damn that pan-and-scan. I always thought it was 'Zeroed'... -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Goro at February 13, 2008, 9:51 am | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 13, 5:17 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:Derek Janssen wrote: Invid Fan wrote: In article wrote: Alric Knebel wrote: Derek Janssen wrote: Another argument where the Haves meet the Have-Nots in the HDTV debates about why we've got the technology in the first place. There is no HDTV debate, as far as anyone else is aware of. When everything went to color, did you stop watching black & white? Or you one of THOSE? No, but at least when we had color, for how long did we have whiners saying "Oh, so you can see the color of the newscasters' clothes now, what an innovation to spend $150 bucks on!"? Color came in gradually, and consumers didn't really have to do anything apart from decide when to buy a set. Portables were B&W for quite some time, if memory serves, and we didn't get a color set until the early 70's (saw the last moon landing on a B&W set). I'm probably in the modern group you're complaining about, in that I honestly don't care about HD. If my current set dies I'll get one, yes, but I w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Goro at February 13, 2008, 9:44 am | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 12, 2:03 pm, neillmasse...@earthlink.net (Neill Massello) wrote: Quote:Alric Knebel wrote: How many do you episodes of a TV series would fit on a single disc? I was thinking how cool that would be to have a an entire season of some vintage TV series on one disc. It would depend on things like the total length of the source material, whether it's color or B&W, and the number and kind of audio tracks, subtitles, and extras that were included. It's also possible with any of these digital discs (including DVD) to fiddle with the compression in order to get longer playing time. In any case, a single sided dual layer HD DVD (HD) disc holds 30GB, a Blu-ray (BD) 50GB. A single sided dual layer DVD holds less than 9GB, although you can't do a direct time-based comparison of DVD with the high def formats because high def uses more disc space per minute of viewing time. An HD disc can be dual sided, holding a total of 60GB, but I don't know if two sided discs are permitted by BD's spec or even possible with i... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Goro at February 13, 2008, 9:38 am | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 11, 10:24 am, le...@my-deja.com wrote: Quote:On Feb 11, 11:58 am, "XPickel" wrote: BluRay just won the war, at least for my dollar. http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/11/news/companies/bc.netflix.blu.ray.ap/... So far it's only popular with the techies and the first adopters. Will the average Netflix consumer switch over to Hi-def DVD anytime soon? We'll see. Remember Laserdisc, anyone? I've had a DVD player for seven years now and I have no interest in Hi-def DVD Blu-ray or otherwise. Most of the DVDs I watch (mostly Japanese and Hong Kong movies) aren't coming out in Blu-ray anytime soon, so why should I bother? Japanese movies ARE being produced in HD media now, although not quite in the amounts as the US films. eg., Sukiyaki Western Django, Bushi no Ichibun, Shinobi, Tegami, Vexille, etc... Korea certainly is as IIRC the VENGEANCE trilogy made a big splash by being out on HD media (or maybe it was just OLD BOY?) Not so sure about HK, but i thought i saw something about Jet Li's WARLORDS being on BluRay? ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: calvin at February 13, 2008, 9:19 am | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 13, 10:16 am, atyl wrote: Quote:If you're getting programming from Cable, Dish or any digital service provider, then it may not be necessary. The only TVs that may need converters are the analogs that use rabbit ear antennas and the like. In that case, the adapter will receive the analog signals and covert them to digital. Swap the words analog and digital in your last sentence. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 13, 2008, 8:17 am | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:Invid Fan wrote: In article wrote: Alric Knebel wrote: Derek Janssen wrote: Another argument where the Haves meet the Have-Nots in the HDTV debates about why we've got the technology in the first place. There is no HDTV debate, as far as anyone else is aware of. When everything went to color, did you stop watching black & white? Or you one of THOSE? No, but at least when we had color, for how long did we have whiners saying "Oh, so you can see the color of the newscasters' clothes now, what an innovation to spend $150 bucks on!"? Color came in gradually, and consumers didn't really have to do anything apart from decide when to buy a set. Portables were B&W for quite some time, if memory serves, and we didn't get a color set until the early 70's (saw the last moon landing on a B&W set). I'm probably in the modern group you're complaining about, in that I honestly don't care about HD. If my current set dies I'll get one, yes, but I won't bother with HD programing Well, hop... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at February 13, 2008, 6:12 am | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 13, 7:17 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:Derek Janssen wrote: Invid Fan wrote: In article wrote: Alric Knebel wrote: Derek Janssen wrote: Another argument where the Haves meet the Have-Nots in the HDTV debates about why we've got the technology in the first place. There is no HDTV debate, as far as anyone else is aware of. When everything went to color, did you stop watching black & white? Or you one of THOSE? No, but at least when we had color, for how long did we have whiners saying "Oh, so you can see the color of the newscasters' clothes now, what an innovation to spend $150 bucks on!"? Color came in gradually, and consumers didn't really have to do anything apart from decide when to buy a set. Portables were B&W for quite some time, if memory serves, and we didn't get a color set until the early 70's (saw the last moon landing on a B&W set). I'm probably in the modern group you're complaining about, in that I honestly don't care about HD. If my current set dies I'll get one, yes, but I... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: atyl at February 13, 2008, 5:16 am | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | X-No-Archive: On Feb 13, 7:17 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:Derek Janssen wrote: Invid Fan wrote: In article wrote: Alric Knebel wrote: Derek Janssen wrote: Another argument where the Haves meet the Have-Nots in the HDTV debates about why we've got the technology in the first place. There is no HDTV debate, as far as anyone else is aware of. When everything went to color, did you stop watching black & white? Or you one of THOSE? No, but at least when we had color, for how long did we have whiners saying "Oh, so you can see the color of the newscasters' clothes now, what an innovation to spend $150 bucks on!"? Color came in gradually, and consumers didn't really have to do anything apart from decide when to buy a set. Portables were B&W for quite some time, if memory serves, and we didn't get a color set until the early 70's (saw the last moon landing on a B&W set). I'm probably in the modern group you're complaining about, in that I honestly don't care about HD. If my current set dies I'll get o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Invid Fan at February 12, 2008, 11:14 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:Invid Fan wrote: In article wrote: Alric Knebel wrote: Derek Janssen wrote: Another argument where the Haves meet the Have-Nots in the HDTV debates about why we've got the technology in the first place. There is no HDTV debate, as far as anyone else is aware of. When everything went to color, did you stop watching black & white? Or you one of THOSE? No, but at least when we had color, for how long did we have whiners saying "Oh, so you can see the color of the newscasters' clothes now, what an innovation to spend $150 bucks on!"? Color came in gradually, and consumers didn't really have to do anything apart from decide when to buy a set. Portables were B&W for quite some time, if memory serves, and we didn't get a color set until the early 70's (saw the last moon landing on a B&W set). I'm probably in the modern group you're complaining about, in that I honestly don't care about HD. If my current set dies I'll get one, yes, but I won't bother with HD programing Well, hopefu... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Neill Massello at February 12, 2008, 10:07 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:The whole point of releasing titles on hi-def disks would be hi-def *masters* of the shows in 1080-- Haven't rented Sopanos or Lost, so don't know how the actual storage of HDTV mastered episodes works out, but still would be the same 3-4 hours per disk, even with multi or double-sided disks...Just upped the playing level, is all. Well, the added capacity of the new disc formats does exceed the demands of high def video, so it's not a total wash in regard to playing time. "Vintage" shows are on standard def videotape or on 4:3 film, much of it 16mm, that wouldn't generate as much data as a modern 16:9 production, even when transferred to high def video. The Sopranos 6.2 comes on four discs whether it's the DVD, HD, or BD version, but I suspect this has more to do with HBO's decision to use the same (excessive, IMHO) packaging for all three versions than with any lack of capacity by the new disc formats. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at February 12, 2008, 9:47 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | Invid Fan wrote: Quote:In article wrote: Alric Knebel wrote: Derek Janssen wrote: Another argument where the Haves meet the Have-Nots in the HDTV debates about why we've got the technology in the first place. There is no HDTV debate, as far as anyone else is aware of. When everything went to color, did you stop watching black & white? Or you one of THOSE? No, but at least when we had color, for how long did we have whiners saying "Oh, so you can see the color of the newscasters' clothes now, what an innovation to spend $150 bucks on!"? Color came in gradually, and consumers didn't really have to do anything apart from decide when to buy a set. Portables were B&W for quite some time, if memory serves, and we didn't get a color set until the early 70's (saw the last moon landing on a B&W set). I'm probably in the modern group you're complaining about, in that I honestly don't care about HD. If my current set dies I'll get one, yes, but I won't bother with HD programing Well, hopefully you'll still r... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Invid Fan at February 12, 2008, 9:34 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:Alric Knebel wrote: Derek Janssen wrote: Another argument where the Haves meet the Have-Nots in the HDTV debates about why we've got the technology in the first place. There is no HDTV debate, as far as anyone else is aware of. When everything went to color, did you stop watching black & white? Or you one of THOSE? No, but at least when we had color, for how long did we have whiners saying "Oh, so you can see the color of the newscasters' clothes now, what an innovation to spend $150 bucks on!"? Color came in gradually, and consumers didn't really have to do anything apart from decide when to buy a set. Portables were B&W for quite some time, if memory serves, and we didn't get a color set until the early 70's (saw the last moon landing on a B&W set). I'm probably in the modern group you're complaining about, in that I honestly don't care about HD. If my current set dies I'll get one, yes, but I won't bother with HD programing (my sister hasn't bothered to upgrade her cable... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at February 12, 2008, 8:08 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:Derek Janssen wrote: Another argument where the Haves meet the Have-Nots in the HDTV debates about why we've got the technology in the first place. There is no HDTV debate, as far as anyone else is aware of. When everything went to color, did you stop watching black & white? Or you one of THOSE? No, but at least when we had color, for how long did we have whiners saying "Oh, so you can see the color of the newscasters' clothes now, what an innovation to spend $150 bucks on!"? Derek Janssen (who, when offering to invite neighbors to watch the HDTV Super Bowl, was reminded of his own childhood watching "Wizard of Oz" at other neighbors' houses) ejanss1@verizon.net | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 12, 2008, 7:54 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:Another argument where the Haves meet the Have-Nots in the HDTV debates about why we've got the technology in the first place. There is no HDTV debate, as far as anyone else is aware of. When everything went to color, did you stop watching black & white? Or you one of THOSE? --
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| Posted by: Derek Janssen at February 12, 2008, 5:12 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | Neill Massello wrote: Quote:Alric Knebel wrote: How many do you episodes of a TV series would fit on a single disc? I was thinking how cool that would be to have a an entire season of some vintage TV series on one disc. An HD disc can be dual sided, holding a total of 60GB, but I don't know if two sided discs are permitted by BD's spec or even possible with its manufacturing process. So HD actually has a 10GB greater capacity per disc than BD, while BD has a 20GB greater capacity per side than HD. How this would work out in fitting material onto disc sides is anybody's guess, but I suspect that consumers would object strenuously to having to get up and flip a disc in the middle of a movie or episode. Also, the very *mention* of "TV on Blu-ray" will, within seconds, immediately cause fanboys to swoon over Blu-sky dreams of storage capability and gush "Wow, does that mean we could put the entire eleven-season run on Seinfeld on one disk?? @_@ " Ahem...well, now we got THAT out of our system. (Yeesh.) 9_9 The wh... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Neill Massello at February 12, 2008, 5:03 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:How many do you episodes of a TV series would fit on a single disc? I was thinking how cool that would be to have a an entire season of some vintage TV series on one disc. It would depend on things like the total length of the source material, whether it's color or B&W, and the number and kind of audio tracks, subtitles, and extras that were included. It's also possible with any of these digital discs (including DVD) to fiddle with the compression in order to get longer playing time. In any case, a single sided dual layer HD DVD (HD) disc holds 30GB, a Blu-ray (BD) 50GB. A single sided dual layer DVD holds less than 9GB, although you can't do a direct time-based comparison of DVD with the high def formats because high def uses more disc space per minute of viewing time. An HD disc can be dual sided, holding a total of 60GB, but I don't know if two sided discs are permitted by BD's spec or even possible with its manufacturing process. So HD actually has a 10GB greater capacity per... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 11, 2008, 8:15 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | Neill Massello wrote: Quote:calvin wrote: What is the difference, from the home-theater owner's point of view? Not in terms of availability, but in terms of performance and features. "Other than that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs Lincoln?" Blu-ray's main advantage over HD DVD is capacity: a movie collection or TV series could fit on a samller number of discs. How many do you episodes of a TV series would fit on a single disc? I was thinking how cool that would be to have a an entire season of some vintage TV series on one disc. --
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| Posted by: Neill Massello at February 11, 2008, 5:24 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | calvin wrote: Quote:What is the difference, from the home-theater owner's point of view? Not in terms of availability, but in terms of performance and features. "Other than that, how did you enjoy the play, Mrs Lincoln?" Blu-ray's main advantage over HD DVD is capacity: a movie collection or TV series could fit on a samller number of discs. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: XPickel at February 11, 2008, 3:28 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | Quote:Most of the DVDs I watch (mostly Japanese and Hong Kong movies) aren't coming out in Blu-ray anytime soon, so why should I bother? I watch a lot of these films also; one of the reasons so few of these titles has gone High Def is the war. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at February 11, 2008, 2:06 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | calvin wrote: Quote:On Feb 11, 11:58 am, "XPickel" wrote: BluRay just won the war, at least for my dollar. What is the difference, from the home-theater owner's point of view? Not in terms of availability, but in terms of performance and features. If you mean Blu vs. HD, Blu's biggest advantage is in still being around in 2009. Derek Janssen (always a sales plus) ejanss1@verizon.net | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Derek Janssen at February 11, 2008, 2:05 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | XPickel wrote: Quote:BluRay just won the war, at least for my dollar. http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/11/news/companies/bc.netflix.blu.ray.ap/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote And considering that one of HD's last defenses was "We've reported more rentals on Netflix!".... Derek Janssen ejanss1@verizon.net | | Static Link |
| Posted by: XPickel at February 11, 2008, 12:58 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | BluRay just won the war, at least for my dollar. http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/11/news/companies/bc.netflix.blu.ray.ap/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote | | Static Link |
| Posted by: calvin at February 11, 2008, 12:58 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 11, 11:58 am, "XPickel" wrote: Quote:BluRay just won the war, at least for my dollar. What is the difference, from the home-theater owner's point of view? Not in terms of availability, but in terms of performance and features. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Guest at February 11, 2008, 12:58 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 11, 11:58 am, "XPickel" wrote: Quote:BluRay just won the war, at least for my dollar. http://money.cnn.com/2008/02/11/news/companies/bc.netflix.blu.ray.ap/... So far it's only popular with the techies and the first adopters. Will the average Netflix consumer switch over to Hi-def DVD anytime soon? We'll see. Remember Laserdisc, anyone? I've had a DVD player for seven years now and I have no interest in Hi-def DVD Blu-ray or otherwise. Most of the DVDs I watch (mostly Japanese and Hong Kong movies) aren't coming out in Blu-ray anytime soon, so why should I bother? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: calvin at February 11, 2008, 12:58 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 11, 1:06 pm, Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:calvin wrote: On Feb 11, 11:58 am, "XPickel" wrote: BluRay just won the war, at least for my dollar. What is the difference, from the home-theater owner's point of view? Not in terms of availability, but in terms of performance and features. If you mean Blu vs. HD, Blu's biggest advantage is in still being around in 2009. Of course I meant Blu vs. HD, and I said, 'not in terms of availability', but thanks anyway. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Flasherly at February 11, 2008, 12:58 pm | | Topic: the war is over Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 11, 4:24 pm, neillmasse...@earthlink.net (Neill Massello) wrote: Quote: Blu-ray's main advantage over HD DVD is capacity: a movie collection or TV series could fit on a samller number of discs. Relative, first said with a two tin cans and a string - 'This is as good as it gets.' But you're righter - take a perfectly good 2000 movies from a DVD disc collection, go fundamentalist on its ass and cull 90% of the garbage out of it, and then it just might be better. | | Static Link |
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