| Posted by: Invid Fan at February 21, 2008, 9:30 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:Invid Fan wrote: Well, that was the size of CD-singles, wasn't it? I have a copy of "Doctorin' the Tardis" on a mini-CD. I haven't seen but a few (in stores, a long time ago), and I don't know anyone who owns one. I don't think they caught on because of the size. That and the labels destroying the singles market by over pricing them (moving from the mini singles with three or so songs to full size CDs with long remixes nobody wanted for twice the price) -- Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us. 'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us." -'Deal/No Deal', CHESS | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 21, 2008, 9:04 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | Invid Fan wrote: Quote:In article wrote: rcp wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:38:08 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: Oh, I know they're still around, but people generally don't want them. That's all I'm saying. They're simply too small. I'm talking about commercially available, prerecorded material. I'm not talking about for burning stuff or storage devices. I think Calvin had a good point. Maybe they aren't popular as consumer items but I am starting to notice them being packaged with various items to contain instructions, manuals, etc.. Recently I have seen: 1. A small usb sdhc reader 2. A stud finder 3. A thermostat In each of these cases the packaging was not big enough to contain a full-sized DVD and the amount of content fit quite comfortably on the little things. So it looks like they are becoming pupular with manufacturers as a means of delivering interactive multimedia information with their products. rcp And that's a really good idea, putting them with products. But I said, as consumer items, they're too sma... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Invid Fan at February 21, 2008, 8:42 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:On Feb 20, 10:41 pm, Derek Janssen wrote: calvin wrote: On Feb 20, 8:11 pm, Howard Brazee wrote: I need to save up to buy something to enable to me to make decent copies of my LD player. I am no longer using the player, hoping to make it last longer - but will want to make my movies playable. I think I read you too literally before. ....NAWWWW! 0.0 Derek Janssen (gee, being humorless, naive and no-context has never been a problem with Cal's posts *before*...) ejan...@verizon.ent Naive, yes, as I've admitted many times; but humorless and no-context? That's just your ego dimming your own vision. His ego is blinding :) -- Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us. 'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us." -'Deal/No Deal', CHESS | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Invid Fan at February 21, 2008, 3:48 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:rcp wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:38:08 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: Oh, I know they're still around, but people generally don't want them. That's all I'm saying. They're simply too small. I'm talking about commercially available, prerecorded material. I'm not talking about for burning stuff or storage devices. I think Calvin had a good point. Maybe they aren't popular as consumer items but I am starting to notice them being packaged with various items to contain instructions, manuals, etc.. Recently I have seen: 1. A small usb sdhc reader 2. A stud finder 3. A thermostat In each of these cases the packaging was not big enough to contain a full-sized DVD and the amount of content fit quite comfortably on the little things. So it looks like they are becoming pupular with manufacturers as a means of delivering interactive multimedia information with their products. rcp And that's a really good idea, putting them with products. But I said, as consumer items, they're too small. A while back,... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 21, 2008, 8:13 am | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | rcp wrote: Quote:On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:38:08 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: Oh, I know they're still around, but people generally don't want them. That's all I'm saying. They're simply too small. I'm talking about commercially available, prerecorded material. I'm not talking about for burning stuff or storage devices. I think Calvin had a good point. Maybe they aren't popular as consumer items but I am starting to notice them being packaged with various items to contain instructions, manuals, etc.. Recently I have seen: 1. A small usb sdhc reader 2. A stud finder 3. A thermostat In each of these cases the packaging was not big enough to contain a full-sized DVD and the amount of content fit quite comfortably on the little things. So it looks like they are becoming pupular with manufacturers as a means of delivering interactive multimedia information with their products. rcp And that's a really good idea, putting them with products. But I said, as consumer items, they're too small. A while back, they attempted to... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 21, 2008, 8:10 am | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | Howard Brazee wrote: Quote:On 2008-02-20 16:40:16 -0700, Alric Knebel <alric@cableone.net> said: You know, the more I got to thinking about what you said, the dumber it seemed. They don't look ANYTHING like 45s. You do know what 45s look like, don't you? http://www.rc-trucks.org/colt-45.htm And that's EXACTLY why they call it a 45: they use Colt 45s to shoot the holes in the middle. A lot of people don't know that. --
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| Posted by: Derek Janssen at February 20, 2008, 11:41 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | calvin wrote: Quote:On Feb 20, 8:11 pm, Howard Brazee wrote: I need to save up to buy something to enable to me to make decent copies of my LD player. I am no longer using the player, hoping to make it last longer - but will want to make my movies playable. I think I read you too literally before. .....NAWWWW! 0.0 Derek Janssen (gee, being humorless, naive and no-context has never been a problem with Cal's posts *before*...) ejanss1@verizon.ent | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Howard Brazee at February 20, 2008, 9:13 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | On 2008-02-20 16:40:16 -0700, Alric Knebel <alric@cableone.net> said: Quote:You know, the more I got to thinking about what you said, the dumber it seemed. They don't look ANYTHING like 45s. You do know what 45s look like, don't you? http://www.rc-trucks.org/colt-45.htm | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Howard Brazee at February 20, 2008, 9:11 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | On 2008-02-20 16:35:16 -0700, Alric Knebel <alric@cableone.net> said: Quote: That does sound a bit more convincing. I know that Criterion did set a standard with the commentaries and so forth. I've seen a couple of DVDs that advertise themselves as DVD editions of the LDs. We definitely own a debt to Criterion. I need to save up to buy something to enable to me to make decent copies of my LD player. I am no longer using the player, hoping to make it last longer - but will want to make my movies playable. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: rcp at February 20, 2008, 9:08 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 17:38:08 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote: Oh, I know they're still around, but people generally don't want them. That's all I'm saying. They're simply too small. I'm talking about commercially available, prerecorded material. I'm not talking about for burning stuff or storage devices. I think Calvin had a good point. Maybe they aren't popular as consumer items but I am starting to notice them being packaged with various items to contain instructions, manuals, etc.. Recently I have seen: 1. A small usb sdhc reader 2. A stud finder 3. A thermostat In each of these cases the packaging was not big enough to contain a full-sized DVD and the amount of content fit quite comfortably on the little things. So it looks like they are becoming pupular with manufacturers as a means of delivering interactive multimedia information with their products. rcp | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 20, 2008, 7:40 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | Anim8rFSK wrote: Quote:In article wrote: RichA wrote: On Feb 19, 1:52 pm, calvin wrote: On Feb 19, 1:36 pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote: Laser Discs were widely adopted? I suppose there were more titles on LD than HD-DVD, but it was still very much a niche item. (I hooked mine up a few months ago and it's amazing the *thrummmmmm* it makes spinning up that huge heavy disc..). So what? Once it's spinning it's quiet enough, and LDs were a much better medium than VHS tapes. The sound of the best ones still beats DVD sound. All true, but LDs had their own problems not experienced too much by DVD, like warping (shades of vinyl) and rotting, which plagued early ones, poorly produced ones. The best sound LDs were the last generation sporting DTS and DD in a less compressed form than DVDs. I had about 1,500 when DVDs launched. I looked at the size of LDs and said, "Nah. Right technology, wrong size." The look reminded me too much of LPs, including the hole in the middle, which reminded me o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 20, 2008, 7:38 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | calvin wrote: Quote:On Feb 20, 8:31 am, Alric Knebel wrote: And if the size of the discs got any smaller (as they attempted with CDs sometimes back) they'd be TOO small. FYI, the little 3 inch discs are alive and well. A new keyboard that I bought recently came with one of them for an installation CD. I've burned many such homemade cdrs. Unfortunately, though, the trend toward vertical CD slots makes them hard to play for many people, unless there are 5-inch adaptors readily available. Oh, I know they're still around, but people generally don't want them. That's all I'm saying. They're simply too small. I'm talking about commercially available, prerecorded material. I'm not talking about for burning stuff or storage devices. --
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| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 20, 2008, 7:38 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | Anim8rFSK wrote: Quote:In article wrote: RichA wrote: On Feb 19, 1:52 pm, calvin wrote: On Feb 19, 1:36 pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote: Laser Discs were widely adopted? I suppose there were more titles on LD than HD-DVD, but it was still very much a niche item. (I hooked mine up a few months ago and it's amazing the *thrummmmmm* it makes spinning up that huge heavy disc..). So what? Once it's spinning it's quiet enough, and LDs were a much better medium than VHS tapes. The sound of the best ones still beats DVD sound. All true, but LDs had their own problems not experienced too much by DVD, like warping (shades of vinyl) and rotting, which plagued early ones, poorly produced ones. The best sound LDs were the last generation sporting DTS and DD in a less compressed form than DVDs. I had about 1,500 when DVDs launched. I looked at the size of LDs and said, "Nah. Right technology, wrong size." The look reminded me too much of LPs, including the hole in the middle, which reminded me o... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 20, 2008, 7:36 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | AZ Nomad wrote: Quote:On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:31:57 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: That's just it: I did NOT miss out. I intentionally waited because I Then why haven't you stuck with tapes? Jesus Christ. That ought to be obvious. DVDs are much clearer. Quote:knew about all of those things you mentioned: the flipping, the time limitation. I saw the advent of CDs, and I figured it was a matter of time before it got down to that size. Now EVERYTHING is that size, a nice standard size for several types of media, making devices all compatible. And if the size of the discs got any smaller (as they attempted with CDs sometimes back) they'd be TOO small. They don't do hidef. They don't do 3D. They don't tastovision or smellovision. Better keep waiting. You can stick to videotape in the meantime. What the shit are blabbing about, you goofy fuck? --
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| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 20, 2008, 7:35 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | Paul Clarke wrote: Quote: But for cinephiles it was a nice bridge between VHS and DVDs. LDs introduced me to the widescreen format for home video, plus the concept of the 'special edition', with documentary features and audio commentaries, etc., originated with LDs. There are some superb special editions on LDs that have not been, and in many cases will likely *never* be, equalled. Much of the Criterion Collection LD editions, such as their version of Lewton's "Cat People", will not be ported over to DVD, because of licensing issues. So those who did not get into LDs *did* miss out on some superb editions of classic films. That does sound a bit more convincing. I know that Criterion did set a standard with the commentaries and so forth. I've seen a couple of DVDs that advertise themselves as DVD editions of the LDs. We definitely own a debt to Criterion. --
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| Posted by: calvin at February 20, 2008, 6:29 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 20, 10:41 pm, Derek Janssen wrote: Quote:calvin wrote: On Feb 20, 8:11 pm, Howard Brazee wrote: I need to save up to buy something to enable to me to make decent copies of my LD player. I am no longer using the player, hoping to make it last longer - but will want to make my movies playable. I think I read you too literally before. ....NAWWWW! 0.0 Derek Janssen (gee, being humorless, naive and no-context has never been a problem with Cal's posts *before*...) ejan...@verizon.ent Naive, yes, as I've admitted many times; but humorless and no-context? That's just your ego dimming your own vision. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: calvin at February 20, 2008, 4:32 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 20, 8:11 pm, Howard Brazee wrote: Quote:I need to save up to buy something to enable to me to make decent copies of my LD player. I am no longer using the player, hoping to make it last longer - but will want to make my movies playable. I think I read you too literally before. Maybe you meant to say you wanted to copy your LDs. If so, the simplest DVD recorder from Wal-Mart will do the job very well. And there's no copy-protection on LDs, so you won't need to get a 'video stabilizer' to defeat it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: calvin at February 20, 2008, 4:23 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 20, 8:11 pm, Howard Brazee wrote: Quote:I need to save up to buy something to enable to me to make decent copies of my LD player. I am no longer using the player, hoping to make it last longer - but will want to make my movies playable. Why not buy an LD player on eBay? Then you will have one to play and one to save. I have two and that approach works well for me. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AZ Nomad at February 20, 2008, 1:26 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 07:31:57 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:That's just it: I did NOT miss out. I intentionally waited because I Then why haven't you stuck with tapes? Quote:knew about all of those things you mentioned: the flipping, the time limitation. I saw the advent of CDs, and I figured it was a matter of time before it got down to that size. Now EVERYTHING is that size, a nice standard size for several types of media, making devices all compatible. And if the size of the discs got any smaller (as they attempted with CDs sometimes back) they'd be TOO small. They don't do hidef. They don't do 3D. They don't tastovision or smellovision. Better keep waiting. You can stick to videotape in the meantime. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Del Stanley at February 20, 2008, 12:33 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | "Anim8rFSK" wrote: I looked at the size of LDs and said, "Nah. Right technology, wrong size." The look reminded me too much of LPs, including the hole in the middle, which reminded me of both LPs and 45s. I'm glad I waited. Well, you better throw out your DVDs, 'cause they have a hole in the middle, and sure look like 45s. I'm trying to lose 15 lbs. I should have thrown out the donuts, and ate the holes. However, on donuts, like LDs, LPs, 45s, and DVDs the holes are free. Del | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Paul Clarke at February 20, 2008, 12:04 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:AZ Nomad wrote: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:50:54 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: On Feb 19, 1:36 pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote: Laser Discs were widely adopted? I suppose there were more titles on LD than HD-DVD, but it was still very much a niche item. (I hooked mine up a few months ago and it's amazing the *thrummmmmm* it makes spinning up that huge heavy disc..). So what? Once it's spinning it's quiet enough, and LDs were a much better medium than VHS tapes. The sound of the best ones still beats DVD sound. All true, but LDs had their own problems not experienced too much by DVD, like warping (shades of vinyl) and rotting, which plagued early ones, poorly produced ones. The best sound LDs were the last generation sporting DTS and DD in a less compressed form than DVDs. I had about 1,500 when DVDs launched. I looked at the size of LDs and said, "Nah. Right technology, wrong size." The look reminded me too much of LPs, including the hole in the middle, which rem... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Anim8rFSK at February 20, 2008, 11:58 am | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:RichA wrote: On Feb 19, 1:52 pm, calvin wrote: On Feb 19, 1:36 pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote: Laser Discs were widely adopted? I suppose there were more titles on LD than HD-DVD, but it was still very much a niche item. (I hooked mine up a few months ago and it's amazing the *thrummmmmm* it makes spinning up that huge heavy disc..). So what? Once it's spinning it's quiet enough, and LDs were a much better medium than VHS tapes. The sound of the best ones still beats DVD sound. All true, but LDs had their own problems not experienced too much by DVD, like warping (shades of vinyl) and rotting, which plagued early ones, poorly produced ones. The best sound LDs were the last generation sporting DTS and DD in a less compressed form than DVDs. I had about 1,500 when DVDs launched. I looked at the size of LDs and said, "Nah. Right technology, wrong size." The look reminded me too much of LPs, including the hole in the middle, which reminded me of both LPs and 45... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Anim8rFSK at February 20, 2008, 11:57 am | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:calvin wrote: On Feb 19, 1:36 pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote: Laser Discs were widely adopted? I suppose there were more titles on LD than HD-DVD, but it was still very much a niche item. (I hooked mine up a few months ago and it's amazing the *thrummmmmm* it makes spinning up that huge heavy disc..). So what? Once it's spinning it's quiet enough, and LDs were a much better medium than VHS tapes. The sound of the best ones still beats DVD sound. I find that hard to believe. That sounds like one of those things people say just because the precision and certainly have lend a sonorous quality to it. I doubt any human ears can tell the difference between the sound coming off a DVD and a LD. Electronic instruments monitoring critical areas of the sound reproduction could, but human ears wouldn't be able to discern that difference. You would be incorrect. -- Star Trek 09: No Shat, No Show. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Invid Fan at February 20, 2008, 11:50 am | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:calvin wrote: On Feb 19, 1:36 pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote: Laser Discs were widely adopted? I suppose there were more titles on LD than HD-DVD, but it was still very much a niche item. (I hooked mine up a few months ago and it's amazing the *thrummmmmm* it makes spinning up that huge heavy disc..). So what? Once it's spinning it's quiet enough, and LDs were a much better medium than VHS tapes. The sound of the best ones still beats DVD sound. I find that hard to believe. That sounds like one of those things people say just because the precision and certainly have lend a sonorous quality to it. I doubt any human ears can tell the difference between the sound coming off a DVD and a LD. Electronic instruments monitoring critical areas of the sound reproduction could, but human ears wouldn't be able to discern that difference. The big advantage LD had over DVD is the audio and video (at least on one type of LD) wasn't compressed. Audio equal to or better the... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: calvin at February 20, 2008, 11:22 am | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 20, 8:31 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote: And if the size of the discs got any smaller (as they attempted with CDs sometimes back) they'd be TOO small. FYI, the little 3 inch discs are alive and well. A new keyboard that I bought recently came with one of them for an installation CD. I've burned many such homemade cdrs. Unfortunately, though, the trend toward vertical CD slots makes them hard to play for many people, unless there are 5-inch adaptors readily available. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 20, 2008, 9:31 am | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | AZ Nomad wrote: Quote:On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:50:54 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: RichA wrote: On Feb 19, 1:52 pm, calvin wrote: On Feb 19, 1:36 pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote: Laser Discs were widely adopted? I suppose there were more titles on LD than HD-DVD, but it was still very much a niche item. (I hooked mine up a few months ago and it's amazing the *thrummmmmm* it makes spinning up that huge heavy disc..). So what? Once it's spinning it's quiet enough, and LDs were a much better medium than VHS tapes. The sound of the best ones still beats DVD sound. All true, but LDs had their own problems not experienced too much by DVD, like warping (shades of vinyl) and rotting, which plagued early ones, poorly produced ones. The best sound LDs were the last generation sporting DTS and DD in a less compressed form than DVDs. I had about 1,500 when DVDs launched. I looked at the size of LDs and said, "Nah. Right technology, wrong size." The look reminded me too much of LPs, including the ho... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: AZ Nomad at February 20, 2008, 9:14 am | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:50:54 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:RichA wrote: On Feb 19, 1:52 pm, calvin wrote: On Feb 19, 1:36 pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote: Laser Discs were widely adopted? I suppose there were more titles on LD than HD-DVD, but it was still very much a niche item. (I hooked mine up a few months ago and it's amazing the *thrummmmmm* it makes spinning up that huge heavy disc..). So what? Once it's spinning it's quiet enough, and LDs were a much better medium than VHS tapes. The sound of the best ones still beats DVD sound. All true, but LDs had their own problems not experienced too much by DVD, like warping (shades of vinyl) and rotting, which plagued early ones, poorly produced ones. The best sound LDs were the last generation sporting DTS and DD in a less compressed form than DVDs. I had about 1,500 when DVDs launched. I looked at the size of LDs and said, "Nah. Right technology, wrong size." The look reminded me too much of LPs, including the hole in the middle... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 20, 2008, 8:50 am | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | RichA wrote: Quote:On Feb 19, 1:52 pm, calvin wrote: On Feb 19, 1:36 pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote: Laser Discs were widely adopted? I suppose there were more titles on LD than HD-DVD, but it was still very much a niche item. (I hooked mine up a few months ago and it's amazing the *thrummmmmm* it makes spinning up that huge heavy disc..). So what? Once it's spinning it's quiet enough, and LDs were a much better medium than VHS tapes. The sound of the best ones still beats DVD sound. All true, but LDs had their own problems not experienced too much by DVD, like warping (shades of vinyl) and rotting, which plagued early ones, poorly produced ones. The best sound LDs were the last generation sporting DTS and DD in a less compressed form than DVDs. I had about 1,500 when DVDs launched. I looked at the size of LDs and said, "Nah. Right technology, wrong size." The look reminded me too much of LPs, including the hole in the middle, which reminded me of both LPs and 45s. I'm glad I wait... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 20, 2008, 8:48 am | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | calvin wrote: Quote:On Feb 19, 1:36 pm, t...@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) wrote: Laser Discs were widely adopted? I suppose there were more titles on LD than HD-DVD, but it was still very much a niche item. (I hooked mine up a few months ago and it's amazing the *thrummmmmm* it makes spinning up that huge heavy disc..). So what? Once it's spinning it's quiet enough, and LDs were a much better medium than VHS tapes. The sound of the best ones still beats DVD sound. I find that hard to believe. That sounds like one of those things people say just because the precision and certainly have lend a sonorous quality to it. I doubt any human ears can tell the difference between the sound coming off a DVD and a LD. Electronic instruments monitoring critical areas of the sound reproduction could, but human ears wouldn't be able to discern that difference. --
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| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 20, 2008, 8:42 am | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | moviePig wrote: Quote:On Feb 18, 6:21 pm, SexyGreenGi...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 18, 4:57 pm, Anim8rFSK wrote: In article 397fc01b-49cd-45da-9ae7-dbdd0ec3a...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, SexyGreenGi...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 16, 11:25 pm, Garondo Marondo <Classic.Mr.H...@gmail.com wrote: By Mayumi Negishi and Kentaro Hamada TOKYO (Reuters) - Toshiba Corp is planning to give up on its HD DVD format for high definition DVDs, conceding defeat to the competing Blu- Ray technology backed by Sony Corp, a company source said on Saturday. The move will likely put an end to a battle that has gone on for several years between consortiums led by Toshiba and Sony vying to set the standard for the next-generation DVD and compatible video equipment. The format war, often compared to the Betamax-VHS battle in the 1980s, has confused consumers unsure of which DVD or player to buy, slowing the development what is expected to be a multibillion dollar high definition DVD industry. Toshiba's cause has suffered several ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 20, 2008, 8:41 am | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | SexyGreenGiant@gmail.com wrote: Quote:On Feb 18, 4:57 pm, Anim8rFSK wrote: In article 397fc01b-49cd-45da-9ae7-dbdd0ec3a...@e25g2000prg.googlegroups.com>, SexyGreenGi...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 16, 11:25 pm, Garondo Marondo <Classic.Mr.H...@gmail.com wrote: By Mayumi Negishi and Kentaro Hamada TOKYO (Reuters) - Toshiba Corp is planning to give up on its HD DVD format for high definition DVDs, conceding defeat to the competing Blu- Ray technology backed by Sony Corp, a company source said on Saturday. The move will likely put an end to a battle that has gone on for several years between consortiums led by Toshiba and Sony vying to set the standard for the next-generation DVD and compatible video equipment. The format war, often compared to the Betamax-VHS battle in the 1980s, has confused consumers unsure of which DVD or player to buy, slowing the development what is expected to be a multibillion dollar high definition DVD industry. Toshiba's cause has suffered several setbacks in recent weeks including F... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: calvin at February 20, 2008, 5:15 am | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 20, 7:48 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:calvin wrote: So what? Once it's spinning it's quiet enough, and LDs were a much better medium than VHS tapes. The sound of the best ones still beats DVD sound. I find that hard to believe. That sounds like one of those things people say just because the precision and certainly have lend a sonorous quality to it. I doubt any human ears can tell the difference between the sound coming off a DVD and a LD. Electronic instruments monitoring critical areas of the sound reproduction could, but human ears wouldn't be able to discern that difference. It depends on the audio equipment that you are using. If it's only adequate, you might not be able to tell the difference. But I have a specific easy comparison. I own both the laserdiscs of 'Titanic' and the special edition DVDs; the latter bought because of the additional scenes. The sound that I use for both LD and DVD is with a NAD amplifier and full frequency range response, though older, speakers. When I play the b... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: David Levy at February 19, 2008, 8:57 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | really real wrote: Quote:There have been many examples of US industries going along with a cheaper way of doing things. Isn't that why, for all these years, North American television wasn't as good as European television? Are you referring to NTSC vs. the 25fps formats (SECAM and most varieties of PAL)? That had nothing to do with expense, and there are comparative advantages and disadvantages on both sides. In my opinion, NTSC's shortcomings are preferable. Quote:The VHS victory over Betamax was, in many ways, a victory for a cheaper product. It also was a product that did a better job of satisfying consumers. This time, the studios decided for us. Quote:I remember the Amiga computer being outmarketed by Atari as well ( I guess I have to blame Japan for that.) A chimpanzee could have done a better job than Commodore's marketing department at the time. It's a darn shame, as the Amiga was an excellent product. Quote:How nice for us that the superior, more expensive format won this time. More expensive? Yes. Su... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Patrick McNamara at February 19, 2008, 6:34 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | "really real" <reallyreal@shaw.ca> wrote in message news:KMFuj.63893$FA.38100@pd7urf2no... Quote:There have been many examples of US industries going along with a cheaper way of doing things. Isn't that why, for all these years, North American television wasn't as good as European television? The VHS victory over Betamax was, in many ways, a victory for a cheaper product. I remember the Amiga computer being outmarketed by Atari as well ( I guess I have to blame Japan for that.) Beta didn't completely loose. There are many foreign countries that adopted Beta as the standard. But Beta stuck around for a while in NA and it was possible to still find blank tapes in the stores well after Beta lost the battle. HD-DVD didn't last long enough to become a standard anywhere. LDs never dropped to the price of videotapes and as such never entered the mainstream consumer market; they were always a higher end item. In a sence, they had to compete with videotape and couldn't overcome the recording advantage of tape. I... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: really real at February 19, 2008, 3:06 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | Quote: They'll take a big hit but not to the extent of committing hari kiri (sp?). But lets remember that when CHEAP, MONEY-GRUBBING COWARDS like the parasites at Disney didn't support DVD, it was Warner and Toshiba (as well as some others) that did, and created the format. They deserve great credit, despite this misstep. There have been many examples of US industries going along with a cheaper way of doing things. Isn't that why, for all these years, North American television wasn't as good as European television? The VHS victory over Betamax was, in many ways, a victory for a cheaper product. I remember the Amiga computer being outmarketed by Atari as well ( I guess I have to blame Japan for that.) How nice for us that the superior, more expensive format won this time. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: really real at February 19, 2008, 3:03 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | Quote:Another (ethnic) joke that fell flat Not at all. Butz, Buchanan, Watt, McCullough, et al would certainly appreciate your humor. The gang here is just too too PC. No, I got and appreciated the joke, I just countered with another ethnic stereotype, of the survivability of Japanese businesses. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AZ Nomad at February 19, 2008, 2:13 pm | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 10:52:57 -0500, Invid Fan wrote: Quote:In article wrote: On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:02:17 -0500, Invid Fan wrote: In article ee030328-2755-4349-86d2-a56487dc118a@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Goro wrote: At worst, it's a pretty nice upconverting SD-DVD player. Just don't invest in HD-DVD media and you're not TOO bad off... Or buy HD-DVD media cheap and figure the player will last awhile. Buy the discs now and understand that there will be no more. No store is going to devote even a $5/disc bin to the disks. The discs will be sent back and/or destroyed. Keep them next to your divx player and discs. Or LD player, audio tape deck, etc. The difference is that HD-DVD died before widescale adaption. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Invid Fan at February 19, 2008, 11:52 am | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:02:17 -0500, Invid Fan wrote: In article ee030328-2755-4349-86d2-a56487dc118a@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Goro wrote: At worst, it's a pretty nice upconverting SD-DVD player. Just don't invest in HD-DVD media and you're not TOO bad off... Or buy HD-DVD media cheap and figure the player will last awhile. Buy the discs now and understand that there will be no more. No store is going to devote even a $5/disc bin to the disks. The discs will be sent back and/or destroyed. Keep them next to your divx player and discs. Or LD player, audio tape deck, etc. -- Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us. 'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us." -'Deal/No Deal', CHESS | | Static Link |
| Posted by: AZ Nomad at February 19, 2008, 10:32 am | | Topic: Toshiba to give up on HD DVD, end format war Forum: groupsrv | | On Mon, 18 Feb 2008 22:02:17 -0500, Invid Fan wrote: Quote:In article ee030328-2755-4349-86d2-a56487dc118a@i29g2000prf.googlegroups.com>, Goro wrote: At worst, it's a pretty nice upconverting SD-DVD player. Just don't invest in HD-DVD media and you're not TOO bad off... Or buy HD-DVD media cheap and figure the player will last awhile. Buy the discs now and understand that there will be no more. No store is going to devote even a $5/disc bin to the disks. The discs will be sent back and/or destroyed. Keep them next to your divx player and discs. | | Static Link |
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