| Posted by: moviePig at February 25, 2008, 3:00 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 25, 7:27 pm, Jared wrote: Quote:On Feb 26, 1:27 am, moviePig wrote: ...unless the cute puppy is an 8-month-old 100-lb. Rottweiler going for your jugular. The question here isn't whether Polanski used bad or unacceptable judgment, but whether his actions were *necessarily* sick, twisted, perverted, etc... Not sure I understand the difference between "necessarily" and "actually" here. ...point being that it's *concievable* afaics that there was some recognizable form of consensuality there, as an earlier poster observed. Thus, although I might not risk Polanski babysitting my daughter, neither would I lynch him ...because the headlines just *might* be overstating what a reasonable eyewitness would feel he deserved. Quote:...In that regard, btw, the argument against Michael Jackson seems considerably stronger, for obvious reasons... Not sure I understand those either. In as much as there appeared to be a pattern, sure, but I don't remember any of Jackson's news reports having the word "sodomised" in the... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jared at February 25, 2008, 2:27 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 26, 1:27 am, moviePig wrote: Quote: ...unless the cute puppy is an 8-month-old 100-lb. Rottweiler going for your jugular. The question here isn't whether Polanski used bad or unacceptable judgment, but whether his actions were *necessarily* sick, twisted, perverted, etc... Not sure I understand the difference between "necessarily" and "actually" here. Quote:...In that regard, btw, the argument against Michael Jackson seems considerably stronger, for obvious reasons... Not sure I understand those either. In as much as there appeared to be a pattern, sure, but I don't remember any of Jackson's news reports having the word "sodomised" in them. Happily in my black-and-white world I can view them both as scumbags, and don't have to worry about who's the darker grey. Quote:(none of them homosexuality). I never doubted you. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at February 25, 2008, 4:27 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 24, 10:40 pm, Jared wrote: Quote:On Feb 23, 5:02 am, moviePig wrote: Afaics, nobody's arguing that Polanski didn't break the law. What's being questioned is whether we should *automatically* regard him as vile, perverted, repugnant, and all the other immoderate adjectives we use to comfortably distance ourselves from Evil. I wonder if film fans feel any differently about Polanski than, say, Michael Jackson who was accused (and acquitted) of a similar crime, because of, well, "art". (How old was Natalie Portman when *you* first saw her as hot?) I sometimes get the urge to kick cute puppies. Thinking and doing are two pretty different things. ...unless the cute puppy is an 8-month-old 100-lb. Rottweiler going for your jugular. The question here isn't whether Polanski used bad or unacceptable judgment, but whether his actions were *necessarily* sick, twisted, perverted, etc. In that regard, btw, the argument against Michael Jackson seems considerably stronger, for obvious reasons (none of them homosexua... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jared at February 24, 2008, 5:40 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 23, 5:02 am, moviePig wrote: Quote: Afaics, nobody's arguing that Polanski didn't break the law. What's being questioned is whether we should *automatically* regard him as vile, perverted, repugnant, and all the other immoderate adjectives we use to comfortably distance ourselves from Evil. I wonder if film fans feel any differently about Polanski than, say, Michael Jackson who was accused (and acquitted) of a similar crime, because of, well, "art". Quote:(How old was Natalie Portman when *you* first saw her as hot?) I sometimes get the urge to kick cute puppies. Thinking and doing are two pretty different things. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jared at February 24, 2008, 5:16 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 23, 9:42 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote: Well, ain't you the high and mighty. It's SETTLED then. Harumph. Ha - but who were you expecting to be the final arbiter on who I think is a scumbag? This one IS settled. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Invid Fan at February 22, 2008, 10:46 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | In article wrote: Quote:On Feb 21, 10:54 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: The "age of consent" is merely a LEGAL concept. A legal concept recognised by just about every civilised country in the world. I'd say that means it has a moral backing. although the age is different in every civilized country or US state, and changes from era to era. It IS a legal and moral concept, but those aren't constant. Quote:He's not a scumbag. He had sex with a minor. He broke the law. I've broken the law before, too. He's a scumbag because he's a 44 year old who has sex with a 13 year old. For me the legal issues are irrelevant. As are the moral issues for me. Scumbaggery goes beyond moral and legal concerns :) -- Chris Mack "Refugee, total shit. That's how I've always seen us. 'Invid Fan' Not a help, you'll admit, to agreement between us." -'Deal/No Deal', CHESS | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 22, 2008, 6:42 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | Jared wrote: Quote:On Feb 21, 10:54 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: The "age of consent" is merely a LEGAL concept. A legal concept recognised by just about every civilised country in the world. I'd say that means it has a moral backing. He's not a scumbag. He had sex with a minor. He broke the law. I've broken the law before, too. He's a scumbag because he's a 44 year old who has sex with a 13 year old. For me the legal issues are irrelevant. Well, ain't you the high and mighty. It's SETTLED then. Harumph. --
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| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 22, 2008, 6:40 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | Agent Smith wrote: Quote:RichA wrote: Agent Smith wrote: George Peatty wrote: I disagree. First of all, his "crime" was with a willing participant in his act. Had he raped the girl, that would be hypocrisy. But all these laws about sex are just ridiculous. If someone consents, in my opinion, it's a done deal. There are some who would argue that given the age of the child, it was impossible for her to consent in any legally meaningful sense. Therefore, the act was not consensual .. I'm surprised to see that we have a pedo in the group. You'd expect this to happen in the groups where nutjobs and pedos routinely hang out and try to reationalize their urges. But you don't expect it to happen in a quiet backwater like this place, where people usually confine their conversations to film. Are you calling me a pedophile because I think a lot of these cases are overblown? No, calling you dangerous because you don't appear to be able to understand the concept of informed consent. He doesn't seem to be able to understan... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 22, 2008, 6:30 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | RichA wrote: Quote:On Feb 21, 7:58 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Agent Smith wrote: George Peatty <peattyg47-1...@copper.net> wrote in news:incor3p0mf653btpsptb53rfqihvhh0ne7@4ax.com: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:28:49 -0600, Alric Knebel <al...@cableone.net wrote: I disagree. First of all, his "crime" was with a willing participant in his act. Had he raped the girl, that would be hypocrisy. But all these laws about sex are just ridiculous. If someone consents, in my opinion, it's a done deal. There are some who would argue that given the age of the child, it was impossible for her to consent in any legally meaningful sense. Therefore, the act was not consensual .. I'm surprised to see that we have a pedo in the group. You'd expect this to happen in the groups where nutjobs and pedos routinely hang out and try to reationalize their urges. But you don't expect it to happen in a quiet backwater like this place, where people usually confine their conversations to film. Are you calling me a pedophile because I think... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Agent Smith at February 22, 2008, 11:49 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | RichA wrote: Agent Smith wrote: George Peatty wrote: I disagree. First of all, his "crime" was with a willing participant in his act. Had he raped the girl, that would be hypocrisy. But all these laws about sex are just ridiculous. If someone consents, in my opinion, it's a done deal. There are some who would argue that given the age of the child, it was impossible for her to consent in any legally meaningful sense. Therefore, the act was not consensual .. I'm surprised to see that we have a pedo in the group. You'd expect this to happen in the groups where nutjobs and pedos routinely hang out and try to reationalize their urges. But you don't expect it to happen in a quiet backwater like this place, where people usually confine their conversations to film. Are you calling me a pedophile because I think a lot of these cases are overblown? No, calling you dangerous because you don't appear to be able to understand the concept of informed consent. He doesn't seem to be able to understand the concepts of illegal... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 22, 2008, 8:48 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | George Peatty wrote: Quote:In article <IIWdnfSBLJGfhiPanZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alric Knebel says... Well, that'd depend on whether they were honoring him for his filmmaking career or for his work with kids. I assume that, for whatever reason or reasoning, they're disregarding his purported appetites *and* accepting his innocence of the more sensational charges... He has had his due process. Whatever else he may be, he is *not* innocent To hell with the process. "Guilty" is a legal concept, but not necessarily a reality when it comes to ACCURATE judgment. Check around, George. A lot of people have been sent to jail on either trumped-up charges, or are sometimes flatly innocent. It happens. No doubt, some overzealous prosecutor saw a chance to put away a celebrity for a high-profile trial, and took what was probably a private party, with no one complaining, and decided to make a case. Then he'd use the publicity to gain political ascendancy. Like those DAs a few years back who were finding devil w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 22, 2008, 8:29 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | moviePig wrote: Quote:On Feb 21, 7:40 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: George Peatty wrote: On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:54:24 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: He's not a scumbag. He had sex with a minor. I gotta call oxymoron on this .. He broke the law. I've broken the law before, too. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone? Why, Alric, I'm surprised at you. I'm not even sure what that means. I didn't cast the stone. (I think George believed *you* were saying "Let him without sin, etc.") Oh. I see. George would be mighty surprised to know just how much about scripture I know. I spent twenty-five years as very devout to spiritual beliefs, and while I was nowhere near a fundamentalist, I considered myself a Christian. I took what I wanted and left what I believed was nonsensical. --
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| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 22, 2008, 8:27 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | George Peatty wrote: Quote:In article <ZpudnbKOxvQEhCPanZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alric Knebel says... He broke the law. I've broken the law before, too. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone? Why, Alric, I'm surprised at you. I'm not even sure what that means. I didn't cast the stone. John 7:53-8:11 8 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at February 22, 2008, 8:02 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 22, 10:23 am, RichA wrote: Quote:On Feb 21, 7:58 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Agent Smith wrote: George Peatty <peattyg47-1...@copper.net> wrote in news:incor3p0mf653btpsptb53rfqihvhh0ne7@4ax.com: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:28:49 -0600, Alric Knebel <al...@cableone.net wrote: I disagree. First of all, his "crime" was with a willing participant in his act. Had he raped the girl, that would be hypocrisy. But all these laws about sex are just ridiculous. If someone consents, in my opinion, it's a done deal. There are some who would argue that given the age of the child, it was impossible for her to consent in any legally meaningful sense. Therefore, the act was not consensual .. I'm surprised to see that we have a pedo in the group. You'd expect this to happen in the groups where nutjobs and pedos routinely hang out and try to reationalize their urges. But you don't expect it to happen in a quiet backwater like this place, where people usually confine their conversations to film. Are you calling me ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: RichA at February 22, 2008, 5:23 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 21, 7:58 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:Agent Smith wrote: George Peatty <peattyg47-1...@copper.net> wrote in news:incor3p0mf653btpsptb53rfqihvhh0ne7@4ax.com: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:28:49 -0600, Alric Knebel <al...@cableone.net wrote: I disagree. First of all, his "crime" was with a willing participant in his act. Had he raped the girl, that would be hypocrisy. But all these laws about sex are just ridiculous. If someone consents, in my opinion, it's a done deal. There are some who would argue that given the age of the child, it was impossible for her to consent in any legally meaningful sense. Therefore, the act was not consensual .. I'm surprised to see that we have a pedo in the group. You'd expect this to happen in the groups where nutjobs and pedos routinely hang out and try to reationalize their urges. But you don't expect it to happen in a quiet backwater like this place, where people usually confine their conversations to film. Are you calling me a pedophile because I think a lot of the... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 21, 2008, 9:01 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | Flasherly wrote: Quote:On Feb 21, 8:55 am, Agent Smith wrote: I'm surprised to see that we have a pedo in the group. You'd expect this to happen in the groups where nutjobs and pedos routinely hang out and try to reationalize their urges. But you don't expect it to happen in a quiet backwater like this place, where people usually confine their conversations to film. I hereby submit my nomination for Debra Lafave in a film with Robin Williams as the director. http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Teacher_Sentenced_for_Sexual_Conduct_with_Teenager_Arrested_Again_11367.html That's a perfect example of how ridiculous the puritans have gotten. Oh, yeah. Our prisons aren't filled enough. Let's put away people for something as ridiculous as this. Even her original "crime" was a fantasy come true for most teen-aged males. Now she'll be considered a "pedophile" and be listed on sexual offender lists. Ain't that some pretty shit? --
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| Posted by: George Peatty at February 21, 2008, 9:00 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | In article <IIWdnfSBLJGfhiPanZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alric Knebel says... Quote:Well, that'd depend on whether they were honoring him for his filmmaking career or for his work with kids. I assume that, for whatever reason or reasoning, they're disregarding his purported appetites *and* accepting his innocence of the more sensational charges... He has had his due process. Whatever else he may be, he is *not* innocent To hell with the process. "Guilty" is a legal concept, but not necessarily a reality when it comes to ACCURATE judgment. Check around, George. A lot of people have been sent to jail on either trumped-up charges, or are sometimes flatly innocent. It happens. No doubt, some overzealous prosecutor saw a chance to put away a celebrity for a high-profile trial, and took what was probably a private party, with no one complaining, and decided to make a case. Then he'd use the publicity to gain political ascendancy. Like those DAs a few years back who were finding devil worshippers at all the... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 21, 2008, 8:58 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | Agent Smith wrote: Quote:George Peatty <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote in news:incor3p0mf653btpsptb53rfqihvhh0ne7@4ax.com: On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:28:49 -0600, Alric Knebel <alric@cableone.net wrote: I disagree. First of all, his "crime" was with a willing participant in his act. Had he raped the girl, that would be hypocrisy. But all these laws about sex are just ridiculous. If someone consents, in my opinion, it's a done deal. There are some who would argue that given the age of the child, it was impossible for her to consent in any legally meaningful sense. Therefore, the act was not consensual .. I'm surprised to see that we have a pedo in the group. You'd expect this to happen in the groups where nutjobs and pedos routinely hang out and try to reationalize their urges. But you don't expect it to happen in a quiet backwater like this place, where people usually confine their conversations to film. Are you calling me a pedophile because I think a lot of these cases are overblown? You didn't see M... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: George Peatty at February 21, 2008, 8:56 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | In article <ZpudnbKOxvQEhCPanZ2dnUVZ_jmdnZ2d@giganews.com>, Alric Knebel says... Quote:He broke the law. I've broken the law before, too. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone? Why, Alric, I'm surprised at you. I'm not even sure what that means. I didn't cast the stone. John 7:53-8:11 8 But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2 At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. 3 The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4 and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the firs... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 21, 2008, 8:46 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | George Peatty wrote: Quote:On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:10:29 -0800 (PST), moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com wrote: Well, that'd depend on whether they were honoring him for his filmmaking career or for his work with kids. I assume that, for whatever reason or reasoning, they're disregarding his purported appetites *and* accepting his innocence of the more sensational charges... He has had his due process. Whatever else he may be, he is *not* innocent .. To hell with the process. "Guilty" is a legal concept, but not necessarily a reality when it comes to ACCURATE judgment. Check around, George. A lot of people have been sent to jail on either trumped-up charges, or are sometimes flatly innocent. It happens. No doubt, some overzealous prosecutor saw a chance to put away a celebrity for a high-profile trial, and took what was probably a private party, with no one complaining, and decided to make a case. Then he'd use the publicity to gain political ascendancy. Like those DAs a few years back who were finding devil w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 21, 2008, 8:40 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | George Peatty wrote: Quote:On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:54:24 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: He's not a scumbag. He had sex with a minor. I gotta call oxymoron on this .. He broke the law. I've broken the law before, too. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone? Why, Alric, I'm surprised at you. I'm not even sure what that means. I didn't cast the stone. --
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| Posted by: Jared at February 21, 2008, 4:54 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 21, 10:54 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:The "age of consent" is merely a LEGAL concept. A legal concept recognised by just about every civilised country in the world. I'd say that means it has a moral backing. Quote:He's not a scumbag. He had sex with a minor. He broke the law. I've broken the law before, too. He's a scumbag because he's a 44 year old who has sex with a 13 year old. For me the legal issues are irrelevant. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Agent Smith at February 21, 2008, 3:31 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | moviePig wrote: On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:28:35 -0800 (PST), moviePig pwall...@moviepig.com wrote: If Polanski knew her age, then he was demonstrably stupid. But, beyond that, only villagers with intimate knowledge of his particular situation have any business with a torch and pitchfork... That's a fair point, but it's not what I was objecting to. A willingnes s to abstain from condemnation does not give implied consent to honoring the ma n .. In view of his past peccadilloes, any such expression is unwise. It is a good deal worse than unwise, but I'll stop there. To paraphrase Jay Len o, *what* are they thinking? Well, that'd depend on whether they were honoring him for his filmmaking career or for his work with kids. I assume that, for whatever reason or reasoning, they're disregarding his purported appetites *and* accepting his innocence of the more sensational charges... Not that I'm a Polanski apologist, but I'm inclined to agree. Any sex crimes he may have committed in his personal life have no bearing... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: trotsky at February 21, 2008, 3:26 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | George Peatty wrote: Quote:On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:10:29 -0800 (PST), moviePig <pwallace@moviepig.com wrote: Well, that'd depend on whether they were honoring him for his filmmaking career or for his work with kids. I assume that, for whatever reason or reasoning, they're disregarding his purported appetites *and* accepting his innocence of the more sensational charges... He has had his due process. Whatever else he may be, he is *not* innocent .. Kewl, he has something in common with Cheney. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Agent Smith at February 21, 2008, 3:26 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | Flasherly wrote: I'm surprised to see that we have a pedo in the group. You'd expect this to happen in the groups where nutjobs and pedos routinely hang out and try to reationalize their urges. But you don't expect it to happen in a quiet backwater like this place, where people usually confine their conversations to film. I hereby submit my nomination for Debra Lafave in a film with Robin Williams as the director. http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Teacher_Sentenced_for_Sexual_Conduct_wit h_Teenager_Arrested_Again_11367.html I don't understand what you're hinting at. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at February 21, 2008, 3:12 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 21, 7:40 pm, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:George Peatty wrote: On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:54:24 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: He's not a scumbag. He had sex with a minor. I gotta call oxymoron on this .. He broke the law. I've broken the law before, too. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone? Why, Alric, I'm surprised at you. I'm not even sure what that means. I didn't cast the stone. (I think George believed *you* were saying "Let him without sin, etc.") -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: George Peatty at February 21, 2008, 12:21 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:10:29 -0800 (PST), moviePig wrote: Quote:Well, that'd depend on whether they were honoring him for his filmmaking career or for his work with kids. I assume that, for whatever reason or reasoning, they're disregarding his purported appetites *and* accepting his innocence of the more sensational charges... He has had his due process. Whatever else he may be, he is *not* innocent ... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: George Peatty at February 21, 2008, 11:38 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:28:35 -0800 (PST), moviePig wrote: Quote: If Polanski knew her age, then he was demonstrably stupid. But, beyond that, only villagers with intimate knowledge of his particular situation have any business with a torch and pitchfork... That's a fair point, but it's not what I was objecting to. A willingness to abstain from condemnation does not give implied consent to honoring the man ... In view of his past peccadilloes, any such expression is unwise. It is a good deal worse than unwise, but I'll stop there. To paraphrase Jay Leno, *what* are they thinking? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: George Peatty at February 21, 2008, 10:41 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:54:24 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote:He's not a scumbag. He had sex with a minor. I gotta call oxymoron on this .. Quote:He broke the law. I've broken the law before, too. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone? Why, Alric, I'm surprised at you. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Agent Smith at February 21, 2008, 9:55 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | George Peatty <peattyg47-1230@copper.net> wrote in news:incor3p0mf653btpsptb53rfqihvhh0ne7@4ax.com: Quote:On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:28:49 -0600, Alric Knebel <alric@cableone.net wrote: I disagree. First of all, his "crime" was with a willing participant in his act. Had he raped the girl, that would be hypocrisy. But all these laws about sex are just ridiculous. If someone consents, in my opinion, it's a done deal. There are some who would argue that given the age of the child, it was impossible for her to consent in any legally meaningful sense. Therefore, the act was not consensual .. I'm surprised to see that we have a pedo in the group. You'd expect this to happen in the groups where nutjobs and pedos routinely hang out and try to reationalize their urges. But you don't expect it to happen in a quiet backwater like this place, where people usually confine their conversations to film. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 21, 2008, 7:54 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | Jared wrote: Quote:On Feb 21, 10:45 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Some tight-asses might want to construe it that way. But it was consensual. Period. Some woman get married in some cultures at that age. You can get married in this country at 15. I'm siding with the right-wing nutters on this one. It's called the age of consent for a reason, and a thirteen year old can't give it. Polanski was 44 at the time. What countries is that acceptable in? Not many First World ones I suspect. It's irrelevent anyway becasue she denies giving consent. The "age of consent" is merely a LEGAL concept. Quote:More interesting to me is how that affects our viewing of his films (which I like). I suspect if we chucked out the work of every artist who was a scumbag we'd have a lot less art. He's not a scumbag. He had sex with a minor. He broke the law. I've broken the law before, too. --
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| Posted by: moviePig at February 21, 2008, 6:42 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 21, 11:21 am, George Peatty wrote: Quote:On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 08:10:29 -0800 (PST), moviePig <pwall...@moviepig.com wrote: Well, that'd depend on whether they were honoring him for his filmmaking career or for his work with kids. I assume that, for whatever reason or reasoning, they're disregarding his purported appetites *and* accepting his innocence of the more sensational charges... He has had his due process. Whatever else he may be, he is *not* innocent True... a recognized court (again for whatever reason or reasoning) has declared him guilty. Perhaps film festivals should have extradition treaties... -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Flasherly at February 21, 2008, 6:21 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 21, 8:55 am, Agent Smith wrote: Quote: I'm surprised to see that we have a pedo in the group. You'd expect this to happen in the groups where nutjobs and pedos routinely hang out and try to reationalize their urges. But you don't expect it to happen in a quiet backwater like this place, where people usually confine their conversations to film. I hereby submit my nomination for Debra Lafave in a film with Robin Williams as the director. http://www.efluxmedia.com/news_Teacher_Sentenced_for_Sexual_Conduct_with_Teenager_Arrested_Again_11367.html | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at February 21, 2008, 6:10 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 21, 10:38 am, George Peatty wrote: Quote:On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 07:28:35 -0800 (PST), moviePig <pwall...@moviepig.com wrote: If Polanski knew her age, then he was demonstrably stupid. But, beyond that, only villagers with intimate knowledge of his particular situation have any business with a torch and pitchfork... That's a fair point, but it's not what I was objecting to. A willingness to abstain from condemnation does not give implied consent to honoring the man .. In view of his past peccadilloes, any such expression is unwise. It is a good deal worse than unwise, but I'll stop there. To paraphrase Jay Leno, *what* are they thinking? Well, that'd depend on whether they were honoring him for his filmmaking career or for his work with kids. I assume that, for whatever reason or reasoning, they're disregarding his purported appetites *and* accepting his innocence of the more sensational charges... -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at February 21, 2008, 5:28 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 21, 9:41 am, George Peatty wrote: Quote:On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 05:54:24 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: He's not a scumbag. He had sex with a minor. I gotta call oxymoron on this .. Only lawyers will listen... Quote:He broke the law. I've broken the law before, too. Let him who is without sin cast the first stone? Why, Alric, I'm surprised at you. 'Breaking the law' isn't necessarily a sin. Nor is *not* breaking it a sanctuary. E.g., there are many (non-handicapped) kids *above* the age of majority whom I'd call incapable of consent. If Polanski knew her age, then he was demonstrably stupid. But, beyond that, only villagers with intimate knowledge of his particular situation have any business with a torch and pitchfork... -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 20, 2008, 7:45 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | George Peatty wrote: Quote:On Wed, 20 Feb 2008 06:28:49 -0600, Alric Knebel wrote: I disagree. First of all, his "crime" was with a willing participant in his act. Had he raped the girl, that would be hypocrisy. But all these laws about sex are just ridiculous. If someone consents, in my opinion, it's a done deal. There are some who would argue that given the age of the child, it was impossible for her to consent in any legally meaningful sense. Therefore, the act was not consensual .. Some tight-asses might want to construe it that way. But it was consensual. Period. Some woman get married in some cultures at that age. You can get married in this country at 15. --
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| Posted by: Alric Knebel at February 20, 2008, 7:43 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | RichA wrote: Quote:On Feb 20, 7:34 am, Alric Knebel wrote: RichA wrote: On Feb 19, 1:11 pm, Flasherly wrote: On Feb 19, 10:25 am, George Peatty wrote: On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:14:42 GMT, Agent Smith agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote: documentary that premiered at the Sundance Film Festival in January, "Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired," suggests he was the victim of a gross miscarriage of justice. What a hypocritical society we live in. Polanski is just one more example of people who get a pass from being held accountable for their misdeeds .. -- In August 1977 he pleaded guilty before a Californian court to a charge of unlawful sexual intercourse with a girl aged 13 years. He underwent tests ordered by the court, spending 42 days in the state penitentiary for this purpose. He then fled from the United States before he was sentenced. He returned to his home in France. As a French citizen he cannot be extradited from France to the United States. This rat-faced little creep would spend a few yea... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Flasherly at February 20, 2008, 5:40 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 20, 9:40 pm, Jared wrote: Quote: You can get married in this country at 15. I'm siding with the right-wing nutters on this one. It's called the age of consent for a reason, and a thirteen year old can't give it. Polanski was 44 at the time. What countries is that acceptable in? Not many First World ones I suspect. It's irrelevent anyway becasue she denies giving consent. More interesting to me is how that affects our viewing of his films (which I like). I suspect if we chucked out the work of every artist who was a scumbag we'd have a lot less art. True. Apart from his parents stories of the concentration camps Charles Mansion personified, he got off squeaky-clean. Some things just get [to be] done differently, that's all. -- [...] at 35, he became involved with 16-year-old Lita Grey during preparations for The Gold Rush. They married on November 26, 1924 after she became pregnant. They had two sons [and] actors. Their extraordinarily bitter divorce in 1928 had Chaplin paying Grey a then- record-breaki... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Jared at February 20, 2008, 4:40 pm | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | On Feb 21, 10:45 am, Alric Knebel wrote: Quote: Some tight-asses might want to construe it that way. But it was consensual. Period. Some woman get married in some cultures at that age. You can get married in this country at 15. I'm siding with the right-wing nutters on this one. It's called the age of consent for a reason, and a thirteen year old can't give it. Polanski was 44 at the time. What countries is that acceptable in? Not many First World ones I suspect. It's irrelevent anyway becasue she denies giving consent. More interesting to me is how that affects our viewing of his films (which I like). I suspect if we chucked out the work of every artist who was a scumbag we'd have a lot less art. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: trotsky at February 20, 2008, 11:20 am | | Topic: Italian film festival to honor Polanski Forum: groupsrv | | RichA wrote: Quote:On Feb 20, 7:34 am, Alric Knebel wrote: RichA wrote: On Feb 19, 1:11 pm, Flasherly wrote: On Feb 19, 10:25 am, George Peatty wrote: On Tue, 19 Feb 2008 15:14:42 GMT, Agent Smith agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-left.com> wrote: documentary that premiered at the Sundance Film Festival in January, "Roman Polanski: Wanted and Desired," suggests he was the victim of a gross miscarriage of justice. What a hypocritical society we live in. Polanski is just one more example of people who get a pass from being held accountable for their misdeeds .. -- In August 1977 he pleaded guilty before a Californian court to a charge of unlawful sexual intercourse with a girl aged 13 years. He underwent tests ordered by the court, spending 42 days in the state penitentiary for this purpose. He then fled from the United States before he was sentenced. He returned to his home in France. As a French citizen he cannot be extradited from France to the United States. This rat-faced little creep would spend a few yea... | | Read Entire Entry |
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