| Posted by: darknite125 at February 4, 2008, 7:08 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Brandon Routh was OK as Superman, maybe with a little more experience under his belt he could pull off a better portrayal in the future. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: rob the many at February 4, 2008, 7:39 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Silverload The budget also includes the cost of what Tim Burton, McG, and Brett Ratner added to it. $40-$50 million of the budget was already spent before Singer even came onboard. They had to pay kevin smith too. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: adamjohnson at January 10, 2008, 8:50 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | I seriously nearly cry every time I watch that plane sequence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lYHtA4IfBo | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Lord Raiden at January 10, 2008, 8:24 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by adamjohnson Superman Returns kicked ass. That is all. What he said. Also, if the principle actors or Singer doesn't come back...I don't see a point in doing another one. End it on a high note. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Shockwave at January 8, 2008, 12:24 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | To be perfectly honest, i thought Super-man has been done the most justice of late in the JUSTICE LEAGUE cartoon. Hes still a boy scout, but hes alos a hard-ass who commands respect and a little bit of fear when he goes all out. He really did come off as the leader of the bunch. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: fooknasty at January 8, 2008, 10:31 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | I think that most people will agree that the coolest part about Superman Returns was the scene where Lex was beating the shit out of Superman on that huge floating kryptonite landmass. We need to see Superman struggle with life and MUCH more physically demanding villians. Nothing against Luther, but he is afterall just a human going against an alien who can, in one swoop, reverse time by spinning around the earth? That shit is to unbelievable (and I am not saying that other comic book stuff IS believable, but come on), and whoever takes the helm for the next Superman movie needs to understand that. What makes Smallville so great is that we get to see Clark's personal life and struggles but also that his powers aren't as magnificent as the comics/previous movies led us to believe. Just tone down the next Superman movie and make America like Superman again. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: APzombie at January 8, 2008, 12:01 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | I just think the only way to make the superman concept interesting to a modern audience is if they find a way to "WOW" people again. Donner's film, above all else, was the success it was for the spectacle and grandiose of it, even with its great leads and sharp writing (sans the world spin). Superman Returns was just riding off of a 1979 achievement in scale, which many films today have accomplished along with a great story, not a mirrored story. You can't expect the same response from people when the effects arn't particularly spellbinding and the structure is practically identical to previous incarnations. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Silverload at January 7, 2008, 6:43 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by DarkKnight81 What in the hell cost $300, or even $200 million on Superman? . The budget also includes the cost of what Tim Burton, McG, and Brett Ratner added to it. $40-$50 million of the budget was already spent before Singer even came onboard. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: DarkKnight81 at January 7, 2008, 5:16 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Those ridiculous budgets always seem to work against the movie. Xmen cost a fraction of what Superman Returns did, money can't buy you a good movie. Spiderman 3, easily the worst in the series was more expensive than the previous films and we all saw how that $300 mil for Evan Almighty worked out. Nobody cares that you built a real ark, the average movie fan is not concerned with the vast amount of money you spent and feels inclined to see your movie so that you make a profit. Didnt each Lord of the Rings movie cost $100 mil each and in box office numbers alone tripled their money. Why? Because they were good movies. What in the hell cost $300, or even $200 million on Superman? Did they really build a kryptonite planet and drag it into outer space? If WB wants to waste their money then let them waste it, just dont expect to be reimbursed for a shitty product. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Mr. Fred Krueger at January 7, 2008, 4:42 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | Quote: Originally Posted by Nomein
Everyone remembers Superman Returns' budget? 300 million, that could make each spartan soldier a millionare. Warner Bros. went on record to say that the film, after tax breaks, cost $209 million (this of course doesn't include P&A). | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Nomein at January 7, 2008, 11:39 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Hopefully, this doesnt follow in the AvP line and go from bad to worse and nothing but empty promises. Everyone remembers Superman Returns' budget? 300 million, that could make each spartan soldier a millionare. Something went wrong there. Obviously I wouldnt like a perfectly good franchise like superman to keep stinking. Hopefully the next one is better. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: retlaw at January 7, 2008, 8:31 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Superman returns was simply not good, they should also use a more widely ranged actor and not someone who plays him like a robot. And he was too young, would like to see a older superman for once. Still like to see another superman movie. By the way the ending of the original superman really ruined it for me(spin back earth com' on!!!)more like a disney movie. Let him fail to rescue people for once and fuck things up or something. Or accidentally kill someone. Justice league movie will suck period. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Olboj at January 5, 2008, 6:43 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Good. They should have went with Tom Welling from Smallville to begin with. Not that they will now but I've been bitter ever since they said they would never go with him. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: bonoferox at January 5, 2008, 1:17 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | As much as I don't care for AICN, thye just updated the article that states Routh is NOT out of the sequel. I hope it's true. http://aintitcool.com/node/35200 (if anyone cares) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Badbird at January 5, 2008, 12:01 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | The whole Batman "franchise reboot" annoyed me, but at least it had been almost ten years. Now they're not even trying. Hulk, The Punisher, and (possibly) Superman all getting revamped/recast after just one movie? How about: If at first you don't succeed, just stop. Go and do something else and quit beating a dead horse. My only real problem with Superman Returns was Kate Bosworth. Her version of Lois Lane was flat and boring compared to Margot Kidder's in the original. Now that was a character, and a perfect foil to Superman. There was just too much brooding going on in the new one. Yeah, it was bloated and the story a bit wonky, but it was pretty solid overall. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Strider at January 5, 2008, 6:32 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Superman Returns was not only a disappointment, but it was also an incredibly boring comic book flick. If there's a sequel, Bryan Singer should return to direct -- he's a very talented filmmaker, in my opinion, and SR is the only real dud on his filmography. If given another shot, I know he can do better. Just pop X2 into your DVD player. Although I liked X-Men, Singer outdid himself with the sequel. I'd bring back Kevin Spacey as Lex Luthor as well, because Spacey deserves a superior Superman film. He was a perfect choice for Luthor, but there was absolutely NOTHING in Superman Returns that he could sink his teeth into. Kate Bosworth should be replaced by a more talented actress because her performance as Lois Lane was absolutely wretched. As for Brandon Routh, I thought he made for a lifeless and unlikable Superman, but I agree with the schmoe above who said they would have a difficult time trying to re-cast the title character. Therefore, Routh would have to remain in the sequel, but his acting needs to i... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DarkKnight81 at January 5, 2008, 5:19 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | It's hard to clearly explain but I just felt like Superman Returns didnt flow well, scene to scene just felt sloppy. I thought the storytelling in the Xmen flicks was very well done and flowed well considering the enormous amount of characters. I dont know if it was bad writing or bad directing but something about it just felt sloppy. I also got tired of seeing Superman just catch heavy things like airplanes and giant globes or lifting kryptonite planets and it got repetitive. I still enjoy the movie and I was hoping for a better sequel but I am shocked that Routh and especially Singer have dropped out. I wish Singer would have just stuck with Xmen. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: APzombie at January 5, 2008, 1:00 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by adamjohnson Singer's Superman Returns (I think) is a great damn film. Obviously, it needed another big action spot, but the stuff that was there was absolutely incredible. But his decision to 'plant' his film between 2 & 3 was a tough one, for sure. I dont know if you can remake Donner's Superman, so his decision was probably wise in the end. the problem Singer had was the main problem with the character of Superman himself. He's BORING. I would personally love the version Singer gave to us over the "Truth, justice and the american way' Superman who can move planets and is never conflicted. Films need drama, and a 'more human' Superman creates just that. Of course, doing this in the film sacrificed time for 'OMGZ EXPLOZIONZZZZ' ie, tons of action pieces. But given what we saw in the last film, I'm willing to be there's plenty of it in the next film. I agree that generally Superman is a pretty boring character but i don't think him being the father of Louis' child was a go... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: adamjohnson at January 5, 2008, 12:41 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Singer's Superman Returns (I think) is a great damn film. Obviously, it needed another big action spot, but the stuff that was there was absolutely incredible. But his decision to 'plant' his film between 2 & 3 was a tough one, for sure. I dont know if you can remake Donner's Superman, so his decision was probably wise in the end. the problem Singer had was the main problem with the character of Superman himself. He's BORING. I would personally love the version Singer gave to us over the "Truth, justice and the american way' Superman who can move planets and is never conflicted. Films need drama, and a 'more human' Superman creates just that. Of course, doing this in the film sacrificed time for 'OMGZ EXPLOZIONZZZZ' ie, tons of action pieces. But given what we saw in the last film, I'm willing to be there's plenty of it in the next film. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: APzombie at January 4, 2008, 11:55 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | AICN had an "insider" who claims the story to be 100% false. The only recasting is for the Justice League film. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: fooknasty at January 4, 2008, 11:38 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | I really think that if they decide to make another Superman movie, which they will becuase they do make money off of this franchise, they need to start from scratch and not in the middle of the Superman story, which is what Singer did. Hire someone to bring a unique perspective to Superman, and start from the beginning. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Monotreme at January 4, 2008, 7:09 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | No need for a sequel. An unnecessary continuation to the unnecessary revival of a franchise. Well, perhaps not unnecessary in the sense that somebody could have actually done something unique and different with it, but seeing that Singer practically made a shot-for-shot re-make of the original Superman film, except with better special effects and a cape that is a little darker red... it was a pointless failure. No sequel necessary, it's actually good to see it falling apart like this. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: a7xfan at January 4, 2008, 6:32 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | right, i agree that routh doing this franchise and the justice league one will indeed be better for his non-existant career atm, but i think he aint essential for this film, if he aint into it... fair enough, there are plenty of really good unknown actors out there waiting for their shot at fame, so let them have a go is what i say. secondly on to singer, hmm this is a bit more complicated for me, alot of you think the film without him is a total disaster, im not too sure what to think, on one hand he has a knack for making sequels very good, x2 perfect example, allthough x-men was a bucket off balls, what im thinking is, is he going to continue with, making the sequel more action based, and better...or will he again deliver us with some shit that was returns, dnt get me wrong, it had its good bits, about 10 minutes of all the action added up, i mean the film was so boring i got excited wen he fucking flew through the city, thats about all that i was interested in. but yeah thats how i feel, if singer is goi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: APzombie at January 4, 2008, 5:27 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | I agree I wasn't much a fan of Bosworth but Longeria, Spacey and especially Routh deserve a better sequal. I think if they made a balls to wall hour and forty minute sequel with much more DRAMA, action, a villain that rocks and the same crew WB would make a hell of a lot of dough. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: dannywalker17 at January 4, 2008, 3:18 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Silverload I loved Superman Returns and Routh was great, this is terrible news. We're going to lose a classy Superman and gain some lame TV teen drama reject. Quote: Originally Posted by ilovemovies Routh not returning is pretty bad. But Singer not returning is much worse. This is starting to sound like a complete disaster. Shame, because Superman Returns really felt like a great way to restart the Superman franchise. But looks like Warner Bros is fucking that up. BADLY. Completely agree. The only talent that maybe should have changed is Kate Bosworth. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: bonoferox at January 4, 2008, 2:55 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | This was really disappointing to me. I loved SR and was hoping that Singer could do with the second one what he did with X2 and really build on the sequel. Now that both of them are (unofficially) out, it really kind of sucks. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: sarah1980 at January 4, 2008, 2:55 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | well if this falls thru (both Singer and Routh not returning) i won't be seeing the film if or when it comes out | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Z_oasis at January 4, 2008, 2:26 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | I Think WB should pull a page outta the INCREDIBLE HULK page and start over again, without a superbaby and with a new likable cast. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Ayestrain at January 4, 2008, 1:18 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Superman Returns looked and still looks great--it's just the story and lack of action that derails the movie. Were Singer and Routh to come back, and they got a banging script that actually has ACTION and comic villians like Metallo, Brainiac or Parasite, I would see it. They just need to up the action and take the melodrama down a notch. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Shockwave at January 4, 2008, 12:51 pm | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | i didnt care for Returns AT ALL(..boring as hell!!), but i thought Routh did a pretty great job as the man of steel. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: bigred760 at January 4, 2008, 10:21 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Personally, I think this is monumentally stupid. Superman Returns was not a box office failure - more like a disappointment. It made money. Now, if this is true, they're putting a lot of unnecessary pressure on the new Superman, the JLA movie, and whoever directs the two different movies. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: ilovemovies at January 4, 2008, 7:34 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Routh not returning is pretty bad. But Singer not returning is much worse. This is starting to sound like a complete disaster. Shame, because Superman Returns really felt like a great way to restart the Superman franchise. But looks like Warner Bros is fucking that up. BADLY. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: MidnightAngel at January 4, 2008, 6:51 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by DarkKnight81 Damn, Superman Returns was slightly dissapointing but wasn't that bad. First no Singer and now no Routh, is WB just giving up on this franchise??? They should. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: DarkKnight81 at January 4, 2008, 4:43 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | Damn, Superman Returns was slightly dissapointing but wasn't that bad. First no Singer and now no Routh, is WB just giving up on this franchise??? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Silverload at January 4, 2008, 4:14 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | I loved Superman Returns and Routh was great, this is terrible news. We're going to lose a classy Superman and gain some lame TV teen drama reject. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: BubbaStrangelove at January 4, 2008, 3:43 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | To me, this is a testement to them trying to reenergize the franchise. Things felt ill-conceived to me from start through seeing the finished product. Dropping Routh would be one more indication that they are making this up as they go along. Let's see if it's true or not, but really.... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: M@MAX at January 4, 2008, 3:10 am | | Topic: No Routh in Superman Sequel Forum: JoBlo | | hm, bad choice. although superman returns was an awfull movie (did anyone on set read the script at all before they started shooting ?) i liked routh in his thights. and i can imagine why bale doesn't want to play the dark knight in JLA but routh could have done that without damaging his carreer (which one anyway) any further | | Static Link |
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