| Posted by: IHRTNJ at February 28, 2008, 1:10 am | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Digifruitella it's been answered by electriclite. it would benefit them and you if each respectively would know the difference between SOCIALISM and COMMUNISM. well why wasn't he a good guy? because he killed the bad guys? So is George Bush a good guy? Is JFK? Is Clinton? let's hope Soderbergh doesn't fall into the BIAS territory. Che is not an easy person to explain in simple words. DONE AND DONE: He just superburned everbody... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Digifruitella at February 27, 2008, 11:28 pm | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by floydtheater07 The fact that many Cubans are risking their lives to flee to America is a strong argument; certainly stronger than your lack of one. It's not like they went for the pretty boat ride. it's been answered by electriclite. Quote: On the other hand, I've met several people who were once from communist nations, and not a single one of them had ANYTHING good to say about it. They would go out of their way to ridicule it and call out all the BS. They were all very bitter. it would benefit them and you if each respectively would know the difference between SOCIALISM and COMMUNISM. Quote: I don't want to hijack this thread and make it not about the movie, although the way Che is portrayed will relate directly to the film. I hope it is honest, because we don't need any more people thinking that this man was a good guy. well why wasn't he a good guy? because he killed the bad guys? So is George Bush a good guy? Is JFK? Is Clinton? let's hope Soderbergh doesn't fall into the B... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DaMovieMan at February 27, 2008, 12:42 pm | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | Given my love for history and my admiration for Benicio Del Toro I will definitely see these films. I'm sure Oscar flies are buzzing over Del Toro as I type this. On the other hand, I too agree that Che is idealized by too many people who don't know jack shit and wear his t-shirts (aparently the most famous image of all time, surpassing Jesus Christ!) so that's annoying. I do hope that Soderbergh (who is completely hit and miss with me) does history justices and shows the truth about Che, the good and bad qualities, the latter dominating the former. Communism is nice on paper but will never work in practice, and when it's attempted it leaves the people of that nation miserable for the most part. I hope Soderbergh realizes this and has it in mind while making these movies. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Monotreme at February 27, 2008, 12:21 pm | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | Back on-topic for a moment... I agree that Che merchandising is quite a fad as most people wearing stuff featuring that image probably don't even know who he is, and if they do they certainly don't know what he stands for. But this is Steven Soderbergh, who even manages to make mainstream, big-budget star-studded films like the Ocean trilogy as if he's making an arthouse movie. This Flags of our Fathers/Letters from Iwo Jima-esque double feature thing will be, if anything, interesting: I'm not sure just how weird and unconventional Soderbergh will manage to make it, but be sure that Del Toro, who is pretty much almost ALWAYS good, will deliver a powerhouse performance. I'm more than excited for this, I'm a big Soderbergh fan and anything he does interests me, even if the end result is lacking (The Good German...) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: IHRTNJ at February 26, 2008, 12:10 am | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by echo_bravo Soderbergh is a good filmmaker but he seems like one of those white people that would slob on Che's knob givin the chance. I seriously want to curb stomp any person wearing a Che t-shirt. "Curb stomp" HA HA HA... Sorry I was just thinkin' about American History X Great fuckin movie by the way! Ahhhh (SIGH) Good times... Good times. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: echo_bravo at February 25, 2008, 11:56 pm | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by arto_j I don't know why so many people assume these films will "idolize" Che. I like to think Soderbergh, Buchman and co are smarter than that. Soderbergh is a good filmmaker but he seems like one of those white people that would slob on Che's knob givin the chance. I seriously want to curb stomp any person wearing a Che t-shirt. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Moviefan1234 at February 25, 2008, 3:53 pm | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | I think Che is a fascinating character in history. Sure he did a lot of bad deeds, but I do believe he wanted to do it for the ultimate good he felt like he was doing. He obviously went too far, but I still find him to be such an interesting character in history. This two part will be epic in every definition of the word. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: corran horn at February 25, 2008, 3:31 pm | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by EVILxxx We don't know but it seems that this film could go one way or the other. Nearly all main characters in film, even if they are horrible people, are portrayed as sympathetic. And maybe Che has qualitites that make him sympathetic. I dont know I'm not a historan on the subject, but I can say that if the film doesn't depict the documented atrocities that he committed for what they are, I'll have a tough time keeping my eyes focused on the screen because they'll constantly be rolling. The way I look at it is this: Che is a lot like a carnival mirror. How you see him depends on where you stand. Some, like you, don't think that much of him. Others, like me, are split on him: I despise his methods but I can't deny the fact that he is extremely fascinating and a cultural icon. To others, he is a hero, and they will gladly overlook any of his misdeeds by pointing to equally/more terrible people that were supported by the US (Pinochet, Somoza, Diaz, D'abuisson). | | Static Link |
| Posted by: EVILxxx at February 25, 2008, 3:22 pm | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | We don't know but it seems that this film could go one way or the other. Nearly all main characters in film, even if they are horrible people, are portrayed as sympathetic. And maybe Che has qualitites that make him sympathetic. I dont know I'm not a historan on the subject, but I can say that if the film doesn't depict the documented atrocities that he committed for what they are, I'll have a tough time keeping my eyes focused on the screen because they'll constantly be rolling. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: corran horn at February 25, 2008, 3:15 pm | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by arto_j I don't know why so many people assume these films will "idolize" Che. I like to think Soderbergh, Buchman and co are smarter than that. Definitely agreed. TRAFFIC proves that Soderbergh is capable of examining complex topics (and people) and making them interesting. Being a fan of Latin American history, I've been eagerly anticipating this duology for a while. There's been no official confirmation yet (and probably won't be until April), but there is talk that ARGENTINE and GEURILLA will, respectively, open and close the Cannes film festival. There's also supposed to be an announcement of another Soderbergh-Damon film (following next year's INFORMANT) at Cannes. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: floydtheater07 at February 25, 2008, 12:04 pm | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by The Heart Collector saying that communism in cuba has never benefited the people is disingenous, at best. It may have been a step up from Batistia, but that's like giving someone a cure for HIV but admitting that it inevitably results in cancer. The fact that many Cubans are risking their lives to flee to America is a strong argument; certainly stronger than your lack of one. It's not like they went for the pretty boat ride. The thing is, I've met many people who support communism. One of my best friends believes firmly in it. However, all of those people are middle class, upper middle class, or upper class Americans. On the other hand, I've met several people who were once from communist nations, and not a single one of them had ANYTHING good to say about it. They would go out of their way to ridicule it and call out all the BS. They were all very bitter. I don't want to hijack this thread and make it not about the movie, although the way Che is portrayed will relate directly to ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: IHRTNJ at February 24, 2008, 6:11 pm | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Rawlin67 i get pretty tired of everyone who talks about him and wears his shirt when they dont really know any shit about him whatsoever, and are only educated in one or two facts. hes a fad. Well I agree... It's true, Che has become just some punchline. There are far more better revolutionary visionaries than just Che Guevara. Anyway I'd like to stick to the topic my babies lets not get into politics here. Let's discuss something we all know and love... MOVIES I started this thread because I for one liked Traffic and I thought a pairing of these two might make a good film or two films for that matter. I'm really not concerned with the "man" rather than his story and how Benicio and Steve are going to interpret this story on the silver screen. So with that being said do you think it'll make a good film? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: biff_debris at February 24, 2008, 6:06 pm | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by chasingbanky I was hoping this thread was about Benecio being Dr. Strange when I saw the first part of the thread title... That would interest me far more than this project. I a great big ditto on that one -- other than my first choice of Johnny Depp, I'd love to see Benicio play Strange. I'm sure the Che Guevara thing will be nice, too. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: EVILxxx at February 24, 2008, 5:50 pm | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by electriclite I think its the emasculating dictatorship that's ruled over the people for 40+ years that's more of the problem then communism. Indeed, they weren't much better off with Batista but I'm scratching my head as to how exchanging him for a communist dictator benefited the Cuban people. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: floydtheater07 at February 24, 2008, 1:46 pm | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | "The Motorcycle Diaries" was pretty good; Gael Garcia Bernal is a good actor, so that helped. However, (and I know I'm about to start some sh!t), I gotta roll my eyes at not one, but two more movies that appear to idolize this so-called man. I'm generally pretty left of center when it comes to politics, but Che was a paranoid, murdering psycho. I don't see how forsaking a life of privilege and supporting a system which has never benefited the people in any of its incarnations erases the murders he committed. I believe that the CIA spreads misinformation, but we have so much evidence against this man, it's ridiculous. I go to a school where practically every other student wheres a t-shirt with his image. One, that's ironic, because people are making tons of cash off the likeness of a communist, and two, I have to fight the urge to illuminate my peers that they might as well bring along a Charles Manson lunchbox if they are gonna support that sociopath. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: IHRTNJ at February 24, 2008, 12:53 pm | | Topic: So Benicio Del Toro as Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara in Steven Soderbergh's... Forum: JoBlo | | Benicio Del Toro playing Dr. Ernesto "CHE" Guevara de la Serna respectively in Steven Soderbergh's next directorial outing... The Argentine and Guerilla. What appear to be back to back sequels or just epic parts. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0892255/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0374569/ Last time these two paired up was for (if i am not mistaken) ... Traffic. Which garnered 4 Oscars. Two of which were Benicio and Soderbergh's first and only. One for Best Supporting Actor (Benicio Del Toro) and another for Best Director. I don't know about you guys but I kinda liked The Motorcycle Diaries. I just thought that it lacked doing Che some justice. I wouldn't mind watching this I'm just a little iffy about it being two films. What do you say? | | Static Link |
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