| Posted by: Neesh at March 26, 2004, 6:05 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Tuukka I see that as mere rhetoric, not a heavy philosophical message. RE: But it fits the criteria of a philosophical message. Alrightythen.... Going by your broad interpretation of what philosophy is, the last five movies I've seen are all philosophical movies: (or are they not?) What Women Want, Star Wars Episode 2: Attack of the Clones, Mulholland Drive, Schindler's List, and Batman: The Movie. I'm wondering if you think there is ANY movie in existence that doesnt involve philosophy? If so, please name a few..... And RE: The Truman Show.... I think its a bit presumptuous to claim that with technology available today, that a simulated world could not be created, ala the one in The Truman Show. It would be a logistical nightmare, and cost BILLIONS and billions of dollars, but I think the technology is here already. If you think otherwise, I'd be curious to know what exactly couldn't be created, and how you have first-hand knowledge of modern day science to make such a claim. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: osklen at March 26, 2004, 10:53 am | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Dancer in the Dark and Dogville , well, that fuck called Lars Von Trier is a real pain in the ass and, oops, overrated as hell | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Tuukka at March 26, 2004, 7:03 am | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | There is no such thing as a "correct interpretation". In the English language, we call that an oxymoron. If something can conclusively be correct, or incorrect, then there is no room for interpretation. RE: Philosophy: Definition: [n] a belief (or system of beliefs) accepted as authoritative by some group or school [n] any personal belief about how to live or how to deal with a situation; "self-indulgence was his only philosophy"; "my father's philosophy of child-rearing was to let mother do it" [n] the rational investigation of questions about existence and knowledge and ethics ...So I am correct with my claim. It is philosophy even if you are talking philosophy in bar with your friends. I'm obviously not going to change your mind on anything, but I just think its sad that you are of an elitist mindset that thinks your own personal views of Fight Club are "correct", and others arent. RE: I said that I was correct in saying that people conversating philosophy in a bar ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Neesh at March 25, 2004, 5:48 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Tuukka Wow.... you have the broadest interpretation of philosophy of anyone I've ever met. RE: But it's still a correct interpretation. There is no such thing as a "correct interpretation". In the English language, we call that an oxymoron. If something can conclusively be correct, or incorrect, then there is no room for interpretation. I'm obviously not going to change your mind on anything, but I just think its sad that you are of an elitist mindset that thinks your own personal views of Fight Club are "correct", and others arent. I recall you also stating on these boards that The Truman Show was a science fiction movie... if thats a science fiction movie, then it really comes as no surprise to me that you find Fight Club to be a philosophical movie. I disagree with it being a science fiction movie, but I suppose I'm incorrect. Quote: Ah, we're getting onto something here. Which words are pondered? (Be specific....) Please let me know so I can have some targ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: a0001 at March 18, 2004, 9:45 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Fight Club is great. The problem is, is that it can be considered overratted because of the mindless fucks who watch it and say its good. "OH FUCK MAN LIEK HE PUNCHED HIM IN TEH FACE LOLZ!1!WTF?" other than the real movie people who can look at this film in its right perspective, a fight for self honesty. This movie is post modernised and very few realize that. They think its just some psychological thriller with a couple of bloody fights. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: flowrchild at March 18, 2004, 7:57 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | I think Fight Club is an awesome movie. Perfect it ain't, but it's definitely one of the more interesting engaging stylish well-written thought-provoking films I've seen in my life. I have nothing but love for Tyler and his cronies. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Tuukka at March 18, 2004, 6:35 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Wow.... you have the broadest interpretation of philosophy of anyone I've ever met. RE: But it's still a correct interpretation. Thats how I feel about Tyler Durden. RE: The theme of the film agrees with you. Tyler is better at asking questions than giving answers. The film acknowledges that Tyler's ideals don't hold water. That's why the narrator has to fight against him. Ah, we're getting onto something here. Which words are pondered? (Be specific....) Please let me know so I can have some target practice. RE: Well, I've already said that the philosophical depth of the film is not (only) connected to the teachings of Tyler. I've already mentioned in my earlier posts thematic issues in the film. Themes also represent philosophical ideas. I re-mention them here shortly: 1. The film shows why people are attracted to cult behaviour. 2. It shows how cult behaviour can A) Steal people their identity and B) Make them do opposite things they originally wanted to do. 3. The film presents an idea that modern society... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Neesh at March 18, 2004, 5:12 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Tuukka Well, yes, I agree to a certain extent. Fight Club does have plenty of messages and one is free to choose which one to listen to. But while art is free to intepretation, I think one can claim to know which is the correct interpretation... That's pretty much the point in discussions such as this. Not really. See, we're having a fine discussion about it right now, and I'm still of the opinion that there is no "correct" interpretation. Call me an open minded fool... Quote: In the end it all depends on one's ability to use the movie's content to back up arguments. If we would just say that everyone who interprets a film differently is equally correct, then there is not much room to discuss. I definitely disagree, and again point to our very own discussion as proof! It's because people see things DIFFERENTLY that discussions thrive. Quote: Of course, you can always agree to disagree when a discussion is not leading anywhere. I use that tactic from time to time. Ditto... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: a0001 at March 18, 2004, 9:19 am | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | The lord of the rings series without a doubt. I hate them, other than the fellowship of the ring, the rest were just, ew. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Tuukka at March 18, 2004, 8:27 am | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | "Are you stating this as a matter-of-fact, or is this your opinion? (I can't tell...) How do you (or I) *know* what the movie is supposed to be about? I believe that all movies are open to interpretation, and that we as movie viewers are supposed to form our own opinions about them, and none of them are wrong, or flawed. If anyone is in a position to say definitively what the movie is supposed to be about, I'd say its the author, and/or the director. In a movie like Fight Club, whats it's "about" isnt crystal clear, and I don't think it's supposed to be. We all walk away with a different POV... and thats the beauty of it. RE: Well, yes, I agree to a certain extent. Fight Club does have plenty of messages and one is free to choose which one to listen to. But while art is free to intepretation, I think one can claim to know which is the correct interpretation... That's pretty much the point in discussions such as this. In the end it all depends on one's ability to use the movie's content to back... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: DRbeauty at March 17, 2004, 1:53 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | I think Boogie Nights sucked ass too. I only saw it because someone said Mark Walberg showed his wang. Imagine my surprise when i found out it was at the very...end...of the movie. Anyways I guess that's what I get. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Neesh at March 16, 2004, 11:53 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | RE: Tukka's last response on Fight Club: That was great, and well thought out.... you give good post! I've tried to dig a little "deeper" into Fight Club here on these boards before, to no avail..... I just havent had time to respond to this thread until now.... Quote: For example the marketing of the film sold a totally different film that what FC was. ...... If one doesn't "get" something, it's not a flaw a flaw in personality or intelligence. But sometimes people claim that a movie is something it is not. The content of the movie itself contradicts their claims. Are you stating this as a matter-of-fact, or is this your opinion? (I can't tell...) How do you (or I) *know* what the movie is supposed to be about? I believe that all movies are open to interpretation, and that we as movie viewers are supposed to form our own opinions about them, and none of them are wrong, or flawed. If anyone is in a position to say definitively what the movie is supposed to be about, I'd say its the autho... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: martyds761 at March 8, 2004, 11:41 am | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by krazy drako "American Psycho" I enjoyed American Psycho. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Tuukka at March 8, 2004, 9:22 am | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by BadCoverVersion Lars Von Trier aint exactly renowned for his chortle-fests. RE: Ever seen Kingdom? That was often damn funny. Very blackly comic. Anyway, I still haven't seen Dogville, so I can't comment. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Lynn Minmei at March 7, 2004, 10:46 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by BadCoverVersion Lars Von Trier aint exactly renowned for his chortle-fests. Aww, come off it. Dancer in the Dark was quite the larfer. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Last Dragon at March 7, 2004, 10:32 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Being an avid horror fan, I'll say "Carrie" is overrated. Also, I really didn't liek "Jerry Macguire." | | Static Link |
| Posted by: BadCoverVersion at March 7, 2004, 7:30 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Tuukka Most don't see Happiness or Dogville as hilarious black comedies. I haven't seen the latter one, BTW, but I intend to see it next week because my good friend who has an identical sense of humour called it the funniest movie he saw in 2003. Errrr, I was led to believe that Dogville is a bleak yet ultimately rewarding experience..."the most powerful movie of the year" has been batted about quite a bit. It's already #125 on the IMDb Top 250. Lars Von Trier aint exactly renowned for his chortle-fests. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: krazy drako at March 7, 2004, 6:44 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | "Titanic" "The Birds" "Scarface" "American Psycho" Scarface is the most overrated of the ones I've listed in my opinion. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Jon Lyrik at March 7, 2004, 1:47 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Fight Club was a video hit and gained ground from there, even if it flopped when originally released. Anybody see it in theaters? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: dg885 at March 7, 2004, 1:46 am | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Back to the original subject... I liked Fight Club alot. David Fincher's work is always amazing and he's become my favorite director although Panic Room was a little iffy. Fight Club is a hilarious eye opening confession to what life can be like for some people and truely is an original piece of cinema. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: JCPhoenix at March 7, 2004, 12:49 am | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by darkface what i find sort of odd about saying Fight Club is overrated is that it's still a cult hit. The mainstream public still hasn't tried to watch it or give it a chance mostly because it probably wouldn't work. But i wouldn't say its overrated. Maybe if it made $100 mill then i can understand the arguement. Still a great movie in my view. actually, don't underestimate the public...i was in anthro class the other day and we were talking about an article about "fight clubs" in brazil, and our teacher asked how many people had seen fight club. (outsyder was witness to this as well). EVERYONE except for 1 or 2 people put their hands up. which personally, really surprised me. i always thought of it as a cult hit, but i tihnk it's already spread to the point where it's just an movie that became successful on video and dvd ala shawshank. I think the next movie that will follow in Fight Club's footsteps is Donnie Darko which is finding its audience on dvd. And a surprisingl... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Basco at March 7, 2004, 12:14 am | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Neesh And your favourite movie is Rocky V? Oh, the irony! Touchez. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Tuukka at March 6, 2004, 7:52 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | "Personally I think thats a horrible thing to say when engaging in a debate/discussion. I dont mean this to sound insulting to Tukka - youre one of the smarter & nicer guys I've seen posting around here. But I wonder if you understand the point of films, or basically art in general. If someone has a different opinion about a movie (or any work of art), or doesnt see a film the same way you do, doesnt mean they have a "flawed eye". The movie just didnt speak to them. I do agree though that many times people don't "get" something - but thats not due to any flaw on their part. To suggest something like that is a bit conceited, imo. RE: I didn't mean my comment like that. Like I said, I know many people who are VERY smart and yet they have completely misunderstood the film. There are many things that can affect this. For example the marketing of the film sold a totally different film that what FC was. I didn't see any trailers for it and I read only one review (which didn't spoil any... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: one_crow_sorrow at March 6, 2004, 7:22 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | I agree with Tayzlor. Pulp Fiction is quite possibly THE most overrated movie. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Neesh at March 6, 2004, 6:06 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Tuukka Essentially the problem is that the film is being too clever for it's own good. I know personally many people who I know to be very intelligent, but even most of them have missed the point when watching the film. It can be argued that the film fails because it doesn't make it's intentions clear enough. But I disagree, because this flaw is only in the eye of the beholder. Personally I think thats a horrible thing to say when engaging in a debate/discussion. I dont mean this to sound insulting to Tukka - youre one of the smarter & nicer guys I've seen posting around here. But I wonder if you understand the point of films, or basically art in general. If someone has a different opinion about a movie (or any work of art), or doesnt see a film the same way you do, doesnt mean they have a "flawed eye". The movie just didnt speak to them. I do agree though that many times people don't "get" something - but thats not due to any flaw on their part. To suggest... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: ANavissi500 at March 6, 2004, 5:12 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Raul Duke Scarface....hands down It was soooo bad. I cannot believe that this is the "quintessential guy movie." | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Basco at March 6, 2004, 4:13 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | Quote: Originally Posted by Tayzlor Lord Of The Rings:The Fellowship Of The Ring Lord Of The Rings:The Two Towers Lord Of The Rings:The Return Of The King
I found the only movie in the series that lived up to the hype was Fellowship (9/10), and I still don't consider it the best film of all time. The other 2 are way too long. Quote: Originally Posted by Tayzlor Pulp Fiction
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| Posted by: Tayzlor at March 6, 2004, 2:43 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Scarface, definitely. Also, Pulp Fiction Lord Of The Rings:The Fellowship Of The Ring Lord Of The Rings:The Two Towers Lord Of The Rings:The Return Of The King | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Tuukka at March 6, 2004, 1:31 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by randythetool The film, on the other hand, has enough fun to compensate for the lack of narrative depth RE: I disagree with this. My point is that even most people who actually like the film are not getting the message it pushes through. For example to say that the film is about anti-consumerism is a very limited view, because the main message of the story is something totally else. Personally I feel that FC is one of the most substantial and thematically rich movies I have ever seen. A complaint that it lacks focus might be valid, but I think the problem is that the film is on a surface level too vague about it's content and this leads many people to think that it's confused and unfocused. It's not really, but it's a movie which really requires you to think what you are seeing, since all the thematic content is hidden under the surface. And since even the surface is very complex, people mistakingly think that it's all there is. Essentially the problem is that the film is being too... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: darkface at March 6, 2004, 12:58 pm | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | what i find sort of odd about saying Fight Club is overrated is that it's still a cult hit. The mainstream public still hasn't tried to watch it or give it a chance mostly because it probably wouldn't work. But i wouldn't say its overrated. Maybe if it made $100 mill then i can understand the arguement. Still a great movie in my view. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: X-Nightcrawler at March 6, 2004, 12:35 am | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Dead Halloween Kill Bill Vol. 1 | | Static Link |
| Posted by: martyds761 at March 5, 2004, 11:54 am | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by dillhead005 Fight Club is a great movie, why is everybody on the board shitting on it? Its funny, original, dark, has crazy filming, a great twist ending. Sure the films message (capitalism/consumerism blows) has been used over and over but it was done so originally that I forgot about its recycled context. The film is fresh and has a cult hype for a reason. I enjoyed Fight Club and it's one of the few movies I'd use for teaching a college Psych or Counseling class. There are about 7 others I'd use. Of course, you need to have a mind like mine to know what I'm talking about. Now I'm rambling. Anyway, fight on Fight Club. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: martyds761 at March 5, 2004, 11:47 am | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by X-Nightcrawler *shakes fist* Sorry X. I just don't think it should get that much attention. It bored me and I tried to get into it. To me, it sucked. Sex scene was good though. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: dillhead005 at March 5, 2004, 11:16 am | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | Fight Club is a great movie, why is everybody on the board shitting on it? Its funny, original, dark, has crazy filming, a great twist ending. Sure the films message (capitalism/consumerism blows) has been used over and over but it was done so originally that I forgot about its recycled context. The film is fresh and has a cult hype for a reason. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: dillhead005 at March 5, 2004, 11:13 am | | Topic: OVERRATED CLUB Forum: JoBlo | | DYLAN'S OFFICIAL OVERRATED FILM LIST: -Donnie Darko (good mind fuck, but not the ultimate expierence as fans are making it out to be.) -Texas Chainsaw Massacre (remake) (horribly cliche and stupid. STOP MAKING MOVIES MICHAEL BAY!!!) -The Butterfly Effect (okay, this movie was just ridiculous, violent for the sake of it. Why?) -Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas (okay, I do like this film, but think about the cult hype it has, its ridiculous) -Brazil (I found this movie to make absoultly no sense and incredibly stupid. Im not going to sit around and pretend i like a movie for other people.) -Boogie Nights (P.T. Anderson is a genious. This is his worst film. Compared to Magnolia, this is shit on the bottom of my shoe.) | | Static Link |
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