| Posted by: solidstealth at August 5, 2008, 7:13 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | i love both the nolanesque-"grounded in realism" and semi-fantastical burtonesque versions of batman... i mean, that deal in bb with the high-pitch device drawing in all those bats, and then with the sonar in tdk, are bit on the things that make you go hmmm domain, but at the same time, you could be like, meh okay, maybe... perhaps nolan's take is that the world he's creating could be OUR world, therefore raising the stakes in the audiences' view of what's happening to the citizens and what the villains threaten... we're pulled into it in that aspect... at the same time, you're drawing yourself away from the history and magic of what makes batman the batman... it's just a different take on the universe, and i love nolan's interpretation... after nolan finishes (maybe he IS finished? i guarantee if nolan and co. cannot find a good story, they will not be back... we'll just have to wait and see), i do want to see it go purely into what the comics make the gotham universe out to be... and recasting an... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Shockwave at August 5, 2008, 6:45 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen The comics have always been very gritty, realistic stories but they've always had their element of their fantasy. It doesn't feel right with the fantasy completely stripped off of it. Oh, i agree. Its a small gripe i have, and mainly because there is NOT going to be a totaly realistic world when your main character dresses as a big black bat and throws cute little bat-shaped shurikens as people. I hate the talk about how ROBIN or CLAY FACE (insert character name here)wouldnt work because its too silly or too far out. Thast bullshit. These characters should always be able to fit into Batmans world. ..and to be fair, i dont think people are giving Nolan enough credit. He COULD fit them in if he wanted/needed, and i think he could make them work very well. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at August 5, 2008, 6:18 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Shockwave BINGO! We have a winner. ..and i disagree about Nolan knowing not to do things "the comic book way" since i ive read MANY Batman comics that were pretty damn realistic. Its all in how its handled. Jokers origin and Ras Lazurus pit were NOT silly at all, Nolan just felt like he wanted to try something different, or "cut short" the origin story. Nothing wrong with that. The essence of the character was still the same. Nolan is a good writer. Thats all there is to it. At the end of the day u still have a movie about a guy that goes out at night DRESSED AS A FLYING RAT, leaping from rooftops and throwing bat-a-rangs at random thugs. Like any good comic book writer, he sold us on the character. It wasnt the realism that made the movie so good. It was the writing and the character. Same reason i liked The Hulk, Iron Man, Spider-man 2, The Crow, X-men 1 and 2, ect, ect, despite the total lack of realism in all those movies. With the exception of Ra and Ducar... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Shockwave at August 5, 2008, 6:06 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen If someone thinks comics are silly, they shouldn't adapt comic books.. BINGO! We have a winner. ..and i disagree about Nolan knowing not to do things "the comic book way" since i ive read MANY Batman comics that were pretty damn realistic. Its all in how its handled. Jokers origin and Ras Lazurus pit were NOT silly at all, Nolan just felt like he wanted to try something different, or "cut short" the origin story. Nothing wrong with that. The essence of the character was still the same. Nolan is a good writer. Thats all there is to it. At the end of the day u still have a movie about a guy that goes out at night DRESSED AS A FLYING RAT, leaping from rooftops and throwing bat-a-rangs at random thugs. Like any good comic book writer, he sold us on the character. It wasnt the realism that made the movie so good. It was the writing and the character. Same reason i liked The Hulk, Iron Man, Spider-man 2, The Crow, X-men 1 and 2, ect, ect, despite the total ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: a7xfan at August 5, 2008, 5:41 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | i am sick of people saying that batman works better as a realistic film, and totally basing their views on the matter by comparing... Batman Begins and The Dark Knight with batman forever and Batman and robin yes bb and tdk are far superior in terms of directing and story, but that is because bf and b+r are totally terrible films, i want to see a batman, a fantasy take on it. and i second the fact that nolan is wrong by saying certain things from the comics can't work in a live action version, maybe not in his take of batman, but for sure they can, if it is done right. bring zack snyder in to make proper fantasy-filled batman, visually it would be stunning. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at August 5, 2008, 5:27 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Moviefan1234 You're blinded by your love of the original source material. Some of that stuff is quite silly, Nolan knows this. He's a great filmmaker and it shows with his intelligent decisions regarding these last two movies. Basing the whole thing around realism was as good of a decision as could be made about BATMAN. There's a reason his films are much better than Burton's, he dropped the stupid shit and added realism. Most people don't care how closely it resembles the comic book, they want a good movie - they couldn't be more right! Nolan falls into this camp knowing full well the characters work better in film his way and not the comic book way. If someone thinks comics are silly, they shouldn't adapt comic books. As simple as that. He and Burton both went two different directions but effectively ended up turning out films at about the same quality. Both of them really missed a lot of aspects and nailed a bunch of others. I'd say if you combined Burton's world from the first... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Moviefan1234 at August 5, 2008, 5:04 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen He's wrong. And it's not ridiculous. Because if he feels there are aspects of the comic book that do not translate on screen, then he is flat out wrong. Everything from the comic book can be translated on the screen. Hell, there have been comic book movies that have proved it's possible. This idea that in order to make a comic book movie you have to take out every fantastic element of the characters and the world the character comes from may work for his movies, but that idea is the reason his movies will never, ever be the best Batman movies they could be. You're blinded by your love of the original source material. Some of that stuff is quite silly, Nolan knows this. He's a great filmmaker and it shows with his intelligent decisions regarding these last two movies. Basing the whole thing around realism was as good of a decision as could be made about BATMAN. There's a reason his films are much better than Burton's, he dropped the stupid shit and added realism. Most peo... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: LordSimen at August 5, 2008, 4:45 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by fooknasty Saying Nolan is wrong is completely ridiculous. Obviously, his realistic approach works because both movies were critically acclaimed and made a shit load of cash. If he were wrong in that sense, neither of those would be the case. They don't work for your style, true, but they do work. He's wrong. And it's not ridiculous. Because if he feels there are aspects of the comic book that do not translate on screen, then he is flat out wrong. Everything from the comic book can be translated on the screen. Hell, there have been comic book movies that have proved it's possible. This idea that in order to make a comic book movie you have to take out every fantastic element of the characters and the world the character comes from may work for his movies, but that idea is the reason his movies will never, ever be the best Batman movies they could be. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: fooknasty at August 5, 2008, 4:41 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Saying Nolan is wrong is completely ridiculous. Obviously, his realistic approach works because both movies were critically acclaimed and made a shit load of cash. If he were wrong in that sense, neither of those would be the case. They don't work for your style, true, but they do work. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at August 5, 2008, 4:36 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by fooknasty Wow. I thank God Begins and The Dark Knight stayed close to the belt in terms of reality, instead of adventuring off into a "comic bookish style" of movie. Grounding the movie in realism allowed people to disassociate it from the previous disasters of Batman flicks. Also, allowing the audience to believe that the Batman could really exist in a "real" world gives the movie a more authentic and genuine feel. It's very easy to disassociate with the previous disasters of Batman flicks by simply making a good movie. Realism or not has nothing to do with whether a movie's good. There are plenty of BETTER movies than Nolan's Batman films that have fantastic elements. The feeling his movies give are not authentic or genuine, but rather the feeling of longing. A desire to see Nolan stop being afraid of the material he's basing his movie from and instead embrace it to it's fullest. This false aspect of realism are really bringing down the films potential. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: fooknasty at August 5, 2008, 4:31 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen He's wrong. The fact that he even thinks that is the reason he shouldn't be making these movies in the first place. He's made solid movies, but they are not the Batman movies I'd like to see. Not by a long shot. Wow. I thank God Begins and The Dark Knight stayed close to the belt in terms of reality, instead of adventuring off into a "comic bookish style" of movie. Grounding the movie in realism allowed people to disassociate it from the previous disasters of Batman flicks. Also, allowing the audience to believe that the Batman could really exist in a "real" world gives the movie a more authentic and genuine feel. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at August 5, 2008, 4:27 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Moviefan1234 Judging by the quality of Nolan's two BATMAN films, I'd say he is anything but wrong. They may be quality films, but they aren't the amazing Batman movies they could be because of his narrow-minded view of Batman's world that doesn't take into account much of what makes it what it is. He is wrong. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at August 5, 2008, 4:22 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Moviefan1234 I'm as well versed as anyone regarding film, and guess what? We're talking movies here. THE DARK KNIGHT is a film and as Nolan feels there are many aspects of the comic book that just don't work in the world of cinema. And he's right. He's wrong. The fact that he even thinks that is the reason he shouldn't be making these movies in the first place. He's made solid movies, but they are not the Batman movies I'd like to see. Not by a long shot. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: fooknasty at August 5, 2008, 4:21 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Moviefan1234 I'm as well versed as anyone regarding film, and guess what? We're talking movies here. THE DARK KNIGHT is a film and as Nolan feels there are many aspects of the comic book that just don't work in the world of cinema. And he's right. Agreed. There are some elements that just won't/don't translate well from comic book to the big screen. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Moviefan1234 at August 5, 2008, 4:17 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen I'd take a good movie that's a bad adaptation over a bad movie that's a good adaptation, it's true. But you couldn't care less about the comic book because you've never read any. Once again why I have no desire to talk about Batman with you. I'm as well versed as anyone regarding film, and guess what? We're talking movies here. THE DARK KNIGHT is a film and as Nolan feels there are many aspects of the comic book that just don't work in the world of cinema. And he's right. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: therealjohng at August 5, 2008, 4:27 am | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen He makes one movie with slow motion shots, and you think he'll make every movie with it? Your logic is flawed. Try again. Jesus Christ it was a joke, chill out. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at August 5, 2008, 4:14 am | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by therealjohng A 2.5 hour Batman film comprised of 75% slow mo shots is something that would not be cool. He makes one movie with slow motion shots, and you think he'll make every movie with it? Your logic is flawed. Try again. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: therealjohng at August 5, 2008, 4:11 am | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Shockwave I would love to see ZACK SNYDER do a Batman movie. I would LOVE to see him adapt THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS comic by Frank Miller. A 2.5 hour Batman film comprised of 75% slow mo shots is something that would not be cool. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at August 5, 2008, 2:47 am | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Moviefan1234 We were obviously desiring different things from the film then, because for me I couldn't care less how closely it resembled the comic book, all I cared about was the quality of the movie. I'd take a good movie that's a bad adaptation over a bad movie that's a good adaptation, it's true. But you couldn't care less about the comic book because you've never read any. Once again why I have no desire to talk about Batman with you. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Moviefan1234 at August 4, 2008, 4:28 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen I enjoyed the movie version for what it was and it definitely was a solid villain. However he wasn't really even close to the character I grew up with. At least with Raimi's power ranger suited Green Goblin, the character still acted like the Green Goblin. That was the point I was making, really. We were obviously desiring different things from the film then, because for me I couldn't care less how closely it resembled the comic book, all I cared about was the quality of the movie. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at August 4, 2008, 2:14 am | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Moviefan1234 Ra was a pretty sweet villain. I enjoyed the movie version for what it was and it definitely was a solid villain. However he wasn't really even close to the character I grew up with. At least with Raimi's power ranger suited Green Goblin, the character still acted like the Green Goblin. That was the point I was making, really. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: dellamorte dellamore at August 3, 2008, 12:09 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by echo_bravo I am all for Cuaron as well. He would have some awesome long tracking shots through out the action sequences. It would be pretty mindblowing. The overall look of the film would be mesmerizing also and he's a master at characterization . ZS has obviously proven to be adept at adapting comic book films , but in this situation i think he may be too much of a fanboy to get it right , he may be way too slavish in his creative choices . Cuaron would approach the project without a blinding reverence for the source material ( and he won't be influenced by past offerings ), because i think this next incarnation will need a bit of objectivity to distinguish it from the rest , and this is the guy to do it . ZS would still be an excellent choice , i just don't think he would be the best choice . Plus , you know we'll see some 300 fast mo slow mo stuff in there somewhere | | Static Link |
| Posted by: darknite125 at August 3, 2008, 1:28 am | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by g1ng3rsnap9ed I would be outraged if burton decided to once again f*ck up Bat-man like he is right now w/t Alice In Wonderland. I say Neil Patrick Harris would be the best choice! The likes of Alex Proyas, David Fincher, and Paul Greengrass pale in comparison to NPH. But, sorry I love Burton but I didn't like his take on Batman. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: solidstealth at August 2, 2008, 8:21 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen Ugh. This is the kind of shit I've been talking about. A man makes ONE bad movie and people completely forget all the other great movies he's made and assume any other movie he makes is going to be bad. This shit doesn't add up. Quote: Originally Posted by Moviefan1234 Oh please. The first two SPIDER-MAN films were hit out of the park, and the third one is also very good. People have way overreacted over the third film because it's not quite as good as the first two. Raimi isn't right for BATMAN though, we need to keep up the dark and realistic tones. i didn't enjoy the first or second spider-man... and looking at his filmography, i have only liked the evil dead... but that's me... i'm just not a fan of his movies... if you love his stuff, that's great... however, i'm on the other end of the aisle | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Shockwave at August 2, 2008, 10:31 am | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen I agree 100%. It's just unfortunate, since this movie is called THE DARK KNIGHT, any movie with THE DARK KNIGHT in the title relating to Batman will automatically be assumed to be a sequel and part of this franchise unfortunately. Hell, if anything the studio would probably keep the title the same and try and pass it off as a sequel set in the future, even if it wasnt the case. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at August 2, 2008, 10:23 am | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Shockwave I would love to see ZACK SNYDER do a Batman movie. I would LOVE to see him adapt THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS comic by Frank Miller. After seeing both 300 and The Watchmen trailer, as well as being really impressed by his DAWN OF THE DEAD remake, i honestly see this guy being a major force in the future. That and he actualy seems to really give a shit when he adapts something. I agree 100%. It's just unfortunate, since this movie is called THE DARK KNIGHT, any movie with THE DARK KNIGHT in the title relating to Batman will automatically be assumed to be a sequel and part of this franchise unfortunately. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Shockwave at August 2, 2008, 10:12 am | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by echo_bravo I am all for Cuaron as well. He would have some awesome long tracking shots through out the action sequences. It would be pretty mindblowing. Raimi just wouldnt be right for Batman. I just dont think his style of writing woudl fit into Batmans world at all. Be it comic, film, or otherwise. Cuaron would be an outstanding choice. I would love to see ZACK SNYDER do a Batman movie. I would LOVE to see him adapt THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS comic by Frank Miller. After seeing both 300 and The Watchmen trailer, as well as being really impressed by his DAWN OF THE DEAD remake, i honestly see this guy being a major force in the future. That and he actualy seems to really give a shit when he adapts something. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at August 2, 2008, 10:08 am | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by echo_bravo I will say that Spiderman 2 was somewhat enjoyable BUT Spiderman and Spiderman 3 were both laughable. In the first one, you have the Hobgoblin lookin all shitty like some PowerRanger villian. It was awful. The dialogue was 3rd rate all thru out. And lets not even talk about the abomination that the 3rd one was. He ruined Venom and made Peter look like that dude from Fall Out Boy. BIG TIME no thanks to Raimi. I dont want him getting close to Batman. None of that is even half as bad as what Nolan did to Ra. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: echo_bravo at August 2, 2008, 10:05 am | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen Ugh. This is the kind of shit I've been talking about. A man makes ONE bad movie and people completely forget all the other great movies he's made and assume any other movie he makes is going to be bad. This shit doesn't add up. I will say that Spiderman 2 was somewhat enjoyable BUT Spiderman and Spiderman 3 were both laughable. In the first one, you have the Hobgoblin lookin all shitty like some PowerRanger villian. It was awful. The dialogue was 3rd rate all thru out. And lets not even talk about the abomination that the 3rd one was. He ruined Venom and made Peter look like that dude from Fall Out Boy. BIG TIME no thanks to Raimi. I dont want him getting close to Batman. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: dellamorte dellamore at August 2, 2008, 9:04 am | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Okay , this is my final pick , after careful consideration , and racking my brain , it's small so it didn't take long , there is one guy who can stage action to stunning effect , is a master at dark characterization , can ground fantastical situations in a palpable reality , and has one of the best directorial eyes for images of his generation . That guy is Alfonso Cuaron . I can easily see this guy bringing a unique vision to this world , and the film would look unbelievable , in addition to featuring some mesmerizing action sequences . All you need to do is watch Children of Men , and you'll see why this is the one guy who can take over after Nolan and not miss a beat . There would be no drop in quality whatsoever and in some respects i can easily see see him eclipsing what Nolan has done . I agree , all of a sudden Nolan has been elevated to a sort of demi Batgod , and people feel that nobody else should touch this franchise . He has done an admirable job of making Bat important again , but that doesn't m... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: dellamorte dellamore at August 2, 2008, 8:40 am | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by solidstealth we saw emo peter parker... wonder what emo bruce wayne would've been like i dont know man , the way Bale plays BW is borderline emo , i'm surprised he hasn't cried on Alfred's shoulder yet , that will be in the next one i'm sure . And we already have an emo Joker , so how much different would Raimi have been ? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Moviefan1234 at August 2, 2008, 7:25 am | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by solidstealth we saw emo peter parker... wonder what emo bruce wayne would've been like Oh please. The first two SPIDER-MAN films were hit out of the park, and the third one is also very good. People have way overreacted over the third film because it's not quite as good as the first two. Raimi isn't right for BATMAN though, we need to keep up the dark and realistic tones. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at August 1, 2008, 10:53 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by solidstealth we saw emo peter parker... wonder what emo bruce wayne would've been like Ugh. This is the kind of shit I've been talking about. A man makes ONE bad movie and people completely forget all the other great movies he's made and assume any other movie he makes is going to be bad. This shit doesn't add up. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at August 1, 2008, 8:51 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | I've always wondered what would have happened if Raimi had taken the job for Batman. If I remember correctly, he was offered it before Burton and turned it down. Not saying I'd like him to take over post-Nolan, just always been curious as to how it would have turned out. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: dellamorte dellamore at August 1, 2008, 8:20 pm | | Topic: Who Should Direct The Batman Series Post-Nolan? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by AshleysDad Tim would Tim it up and that is a bad thing to me. At least he will give us a great batmobile, right? And I am sure he would give us the mansion back. Yeah , i know , i'm being a bit silly , but it would be funny to see the franchise get all whimsical again , especially with modern technology | | Static Link |
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