| Posted by: redfiretruck at August 19, 2008, 12:50 am | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Saw this with a friend who dragged me (I haven't seen the first one) and it was... okay. Those tooth fairies though- omg, scary! I was like covering my eyes! But anyway it really didn't thrill me, best thing about it was Selma Blair (Cruel Intentions & The Sweetest Thing are love!). I'd say 5/10 | | Static Link |
| Posted by: a7xfan at August 6, 2008, 3:23 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | yeah i just saw this too, fucking awesome, the first was great, this surpassed it by far. visuals were awesome, the characters were great. (i was 'awww-ing' at abe when hellboy walked in on him listening to the cd) hilarious also, i was LOLing at alot of things during it. awesome film 9/10 i prefered this over tdk. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: gyro_44 at August 2, 2008, 12:40 am | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Just saw this. Pretty awesome. There's so much imaginative stuff in this movie (realized using an amazing mix of CGI and makeup/prosthetics) that I picture George Lucas crying in a corner somewhere. Plus a great sense of humor, characters with personality and good action scenes. Del Toro rules. I prefered this over the original. 8/10, at least. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: JCPhoenix at July 29, 2008, 7:53 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | SPOILERS Decent but not as good as I expected based on the reviews. What's good about the film? The visuals. All the crazy creatures in the film were just incredible, interesting designs. There are so many subtleties in the way they move and react to what's going on that they really feel like they live in the world. They were the major reason I enjoyed the film. The action sequences are pretty good. I really dug Ron Perlman overall in the film and things felt more unique and alive than the last film for sure. BUT...there's a ton of bad that I feel was overlooked because people just dug the visuals. And most of the bad is all in the script. I felt Pan's Labyrinth was a little symptomatic of this approach where it felt like things were made up as they went along (in Pan's Labyrinth, which I did enjoy quite a bit, each task felt just not too integrated into the film. By that I mean, the task could have been fetch a piece of crap from the toilet and things would have still turned out he same). In this film, whil... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: fabxxx at July 18, 2008, 3:39 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Am I the only one not digging Liz' flames this time around? I thought the blue flames were much more interesting than the normal yellow/red from this sequel. It just made her look like The Torch from FF... The blue flames from the first HB moved more fluidly (is that a word?) than this time around... Just a small grip Great movie! 8/10 | | Static Link |
| Posted by: anakinsrise at July 17, 2008, 3:43 am | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | It was fun to once again enter Hellboy's world and Guillermo del Toro's wildly creative mind.There is so much to take in in one scene alone. I was so happy Abe and Liz were given more to do this time around. Funny and action packed with romance Scale of 1-10 an 8 | | Static Link |
| Posted by: bigred760 at July 16, 2008, 3:21 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey ************SPOILER***************************** I dont think the similarities are all that thin! Aside from the Royal Feud issues that I mentioned on a past post, theres other similarities. For example: remember how Blade II ended with the vampiress Nyssa fading away, as her body was being burned by the sun, until finally it desintegrates into ashes? Now, how did Princess and Prince Nuada die on this movie? They turn to stone and desintegrate into smithereens, very similar to the deaths of Nomak and Nyssa in Blade II. **SPOILERS** She didn't fade away like Nyssa in Blade II . . . the Princess just turned to whatever the hell she turned into. The Prince crumbled, but not the Princess. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: xseanymacx at July 16, 2008, 2:41 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Cunning Visions Am I the only one who felt the final few scenes felt rushed and the film ended rather abruptly? Not the only one. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Lazy Boy at July 16, 2008, 1:55 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | The scenes with the Golden Army felt sort of anticlimactic, but everything was made up by that final freeze shot -- great use of such a terrible, terrible, terrible song. Reminded me of Peter Parker's cheesy grin to the conclusion of "Raindrops Keep Fallin' On My Head" in Spidey 2. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at July 16, 2008, 12:50 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen I agree. I never once thought of Blade II whilst watching Hellboy 2. They have some similar aspects, but they're very vague similarities that fall apart when you start getting into the details. Really, they're similar but still entirely different movies. Thats what Ive been saying, similar in certain areas (the whole royal family feud thing) but still different enough to separate one from another. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at July 16, 2008, 11:55 am | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Ender . The similarities to BLADE II seem pretty thin. Sure, they're there, but they're such broad strokes that you can draw comparison to a lot of stories. In fact, I likened the movie most to, of all things, FATAL FURY: THE MOTION PICTURE, which also featured a crazed brother who needed a magic crown in order to rule the world, and a rebellious sister who tried to hide it from him, and in the end the heroine of that movie also commits suicide in order to kill her brother and save her boyfriend. What do these similarities mean? Probably nothing. But even if they were intentional, it doesn't really matter. William Shakespeare blatantly stole the plot and story of almost every play he ever wrote, but he's still considered a great writer because his renditions of those stories were superior to the originals. I agree. I never once thought of Blade II whilst watching Hellboy 2. They have some similar aspects, but they're very vague similarities that fall apart when you start getting i... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at July 16, 2008, 7:57 am | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Im not saying its an exact replica, Im just saying, they are very similar at their cores. Of course they are also very different. The difference between them being the different mythologies involved. Blades mythology and Hellboys mythology. Still, Hellboy II had enough new elements, cool characters and creatures in it to keep it from being a complete carbon copy. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Ender at July 16, 2008, 3:20 am | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey ************SPOILER***************************** I dont think the similarities are all that thin! Aside from the Royal Feud issues that I mentioned on a past post, theres other similarities. For example: remember how Blade II ended with the vampiress Nyssa fading away, as her body was being burned by the sun, until finally it desintegrates into ashes? Now, how did Princess and Prince Nuada die on this movie? They turn to stone and desintegrate into smithereens, very similar to the deaths of Nomak and Nyssa in Blade II. I dunno, I'm not convinced. The brother and sister in this flick have a very close (even incestuous) relationship and being at odds with one another creates internal conflict for them, whereas the characters in BLADE II didn't even know they were related and they hated each other (ditto for the father son relationship, which is pretty nonexistant in BLADE II whereas in THE GOLDEN ARMY the bad guy seems genuinely pained at killing his father). The allianc... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Kings-Rook1 at July 15, 2008, 9:18 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey Yeah, I loved those extending swords, they kicked ass. The fights at the end reminded me a bit of Nomaks and Blades confrontation in Blade II. Though in Blade II the moves were more influenced by wrestling moves then on Hellboy II. After reading your comments about Blade II I made sure to avoid it before going to see HB; I'll have to give it a view now to refresh my memory. Bradley James Allen handled the stunt coordination (had to look it up) and has some nice work to his credit (90% of which has been on Jackie Chan flicks). The wire work was minimal and well done when used (not abused). For Blade II I’m sure Wesley and his double, Clay Fontenot, choreographed most of it. Again I got to give it another view. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: KCJ506 at July 15, 2008, 5:55 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Enjoyed this better than the first one. I'm glad this time Abe had more screentime. The best parts were 1. The locker room scene with Hellboy and Krauss 2. When Hellboy and Abe get drunk and sing along to the Can't Smile Without You song, and when Abe almost tells Hellboy about Liz being preggers. Doug was great at playing a drunk Abe. 3. The credits, just cuz it reminded me of how funny the drunk scene was. Hope they make a third. I'd love to see what happens to the characters. I know that the director has other movies he has to make, but I hope he makes those soon, cuz I wanna see Hellboy 3. They left the end of this movie open to a third and if they don't make one I'm going to a little pissed. Cuz I kinda really want to know whats going to happen to Liz and how she will suffer the most. 10/10. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at July 15, 2008, 3:03 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Kings-Rook1 Dug his blades and the fight choreography was a pleasure to watch. Yeah, I loved those extending swords, they kicked ass. The fights at the end reminded me a bit of Nomaks and Blades confrontation in Blade II. Though in Blade II the moves were more influenced by wrestling moves then on Hellboy II. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Kings-Rook1 at July 15, 2008, 1:14 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey One can only hope! Agreed 1000%. Finally caught it last night and was definitely entertained. Few issues story wise (most have already been mentioned in detail) and some of the dialog and acting left something to be desired but the action and comedic lightheartedness was fun. Loved the eye candy but at times I was thinking what the fuck was that instead of wow that cool. You got to love flawed characters and Prince Nuada needed to be “fleshed” out more and some more screen time loppin’ heads wouldn’t have hurt. Dug his blades and the fight choreography was a pleasure to watch. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: joeyatog at July 15, 2008, 12:15 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Wanted was just OK. it didn't really have anything to do with the comic book it is based on. it has some slick action but overall it wasn't too exciting. Hellboy 2 was fantastic though! it was hilarious, beautiful makeup and creature fx, and it had some heart! i really enjoyed it! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at July 15, 2008, 12:03 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by corran horn I fully agree. One thing GDT can never be accused of is for making films lacking a heart. His, despite their grisly nature, have that in spades. It may just be that Hellboy is a different kind of superhero than people are used to. I agree, people are not used to having a superhero be a demon from hell, have horns and a pointy tail. They dont know it yet (cause it hasnt been shown in the films) but his mother is a witch who sold her soul to a demon, who in turn had sex and impregnated her...with the half demon, half human superhero weve come to know as hellboy. Quote: Originally Posted by corran horn As for HB being "destroyer of the world", I'm not entirely sure that prophecy is being interpreted correctly. It could mean that he wipes out all life on Earth, or quite possibly, he brings about an enormous transition in which the old world ends and a new one begins. I feel that is more likely. This is not to say that the transition will be easy (they never are) ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: xseanymacx at July 15, 2008, 11:47 am | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | SPOILER Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey ************SPOILER***************************** I dont think the similarities are all that thin! Aside from the Royal Feud issues that I mentioned on a past post, theres other similarities. For example: remember how Blade II ended with the vampiress Nyssa fading away, as her body was being burned by the sun, until finally it desintegrates into ashes? Now, how did Princess and Prince Nuada die on this movie? They turn to stone and desintegrate into smithereens, very similar to the deaths of Nomak and Nyssa in Blade II. 30 Days of Night ended with Hartnett's vampire character turning to dust and blowing away... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: corran horn at July 15, 2008, 11:06 am | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by chinton Wow I really seem to be in the minority about this film actually having substance. I loved the origin of the villian, the backstory and the great underworld that this film built around him. I realize I'm in the minority but it just blows me away that a film like Wanted which has a lot of great action to disguise its ineptitude in storytelling could be praised over a film like Hellboy 2 which has a genuine storyline filled with actual characters. Unlike Wanted this film actually tackled the morals concerning the main villian rather than the glib and superficial way Wanted does. I'm just really surprised. I fully agree. One thing GDT can never be accused of is for making films lacking a heart. His, despite their grisly nature, have that in spades. It may just be that Hellboy is a different kind of superhero than people are used to. As someone who has often felt out of place (except with my closest friends) and occasionally been called a "freak", I can understand wh... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Shockwave at July 15, 2008, 10:28 am | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey Im pretty sure we will Guillermo del Toro loves to pack his DVDs with lots of extras and extended scenes. Im drooling already at the prospects of getting as packed a dvd like we got out of the first Hellboy. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at July 15, 2008, 9:52 am | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Shockwave Im wondering if we wont get a longer directors cut like we did of the first Hellboy on dvd. Im pretty sure we will Guillermo del Toro loves to pack his DVDs with lots of extras and extended scenes. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: chinton at July 15, 2008, 9:39 am | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Ender ***SPOILERS!!!*** I don't think that del Torro is telling us that the character's actions at the end of the movie are wise, intelligent, or in any way "correct". They're simply the choices that people make, good or bad. Further, I think the "Screw humanity" sentiment is not really present. Liz very likely does not believe that Hellboy will destroy the world, just as Professor Broom didn't, and just as Abe (naively) believed that Prince Nuada would let them go once he had what he wanted. The similarities to BLADE II seem pretty thin. Sure, they're there, but they're such broad strokes that you can draw comparison to a lot of stories. In fact, I likened the movie most to, of all things, FATAL FURY: THE MOTION PICTURE, which also featured a crazed brother who needed a magic crown in order to rule the world, and a rebellious sister who tried to hide it from him, and in the end the heroine of that movie also commits suicide in order to kill her brother and sav... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at July 15, 2008, 8:24 am | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Whoa! Anybody notice the similarities here? Kira The Gelflin from The Dark Crystal Princes Nuala from Hellboy II: The Golden Army | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at July 15, 2008, 8:15 am | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen Selfish? The world turned their back on them after they saved their lives. They risk their neck everyday and the only respect they get from the general public is shit getting pelted at them on the streets and shouts proclaiming "FREAKS!" Really, all those characters have in this world is themselves. The government uses them to their own means, to kill their own kind in order to save an ungrateful world. The people think they're freaks of nature that should be destroyed. The only ones who really love them, and treat them with respect, are the ones right next to them. And so when the time comes that one of their own, one of their loved ones, are put in a position of danger, they choose them over the rest of the world. They're not being selfish, their thoughts are with the ones they love and not themselves. The ones being selfish is the world who turned their backs on them, not the other way around. I'd say their choices were the exact opposite of selfish. *******... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at July 15, 2008, 7:59 am | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Ender ***SPOILERS!!!*** The similarities to BLADE II seem pretty thin. Sure, they're there, but they're such broad strokes that you can draw comparison to a lot of stories. In fact, ************SPOILER***************************** I dont think the similarities are all that thin! Aside from the Royal Feud issues that I mentioned on a past post, theres other similarities. For example: remember how Blade II ended with the vampiress Nyssa fading away, as her body was being burned by the sun, until finally it desintegrates into ashes? Now, how did Princess and Prince Nuada die on this movie? They turn to stone and desintegrate into smithereens, very similar to the deaths of Nomak and Nyssa in Blade II. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Ender at July 15, 2008, 1:15 am | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | ***SPOILERS!!!*** I don't think that del Torro is telling us that the character's actions at the end of the movie are wise, intelligent, or in any way "correct". They're simply the choices that people make, good or bad. Further, I think the "Screw humanity" sentiment is not really present. Liz very likely does not believe that Hellboy will destroy the world, just as Professor Broom didn't, and just as Abe (naively) believed that Prince Nuada would let them go once he had what he wanted. The similarities to BLADE II seem pretty thin. Sure, they're there, but they're such broad strokes that you can draw comparison to a lot of stories. In fact, I likened the movie most to, of all things, FATAL FURY: THE MOTION PICTURE, which also featured a crazed brother who needed a magic crown in order to rule the world, and a rebellious sister who tried to hide it from him, and in the end the heroine of that movie also commits suicide in order to kill her brother and save her boyfriend. What do these sim... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Cato at July 14, 2008, 10:37 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Hellboy 2: The Golden Army I think the second is better, but it still leave space for the third one to improve. The most touching part is when Abe and Red do a drunken duet to Barry Manilow's sappy "Can't Smile Without You". The Prince Nuada is coolest character in the whole sign. I wish the Hellboy trilogy can turn out to be comparative works to the Lord of the Rings. trailer | | Static Link |
| Posted by: chinton at July 14, 2008, 6:21 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen Selfish? The world turned their back on them after they saved their lives. They risk their neck everyday and the only respect they get from the general public is shit getting pelted at them on the streets and shouts proclaiming "FREAKS!" Really, all those characters have in this world is themselves. The government uses them to their own means, to kill their own kind in order to save an ungrateful world. The people think they're freaks of nature that should be destroyed. The only ones who really love them, and treat them with respect, are the ones right next to them. And so when the time comes that one of their own, one of their loved ones, are put in a position of danger, they choose them over the rest of the world. They're not being selfish, their thoughts are with the ones they love and not themselves. The ones being selfish is the world who turned their backs on them, not the other way around. I'd say their choices were the exact opposite of selfish. Exactl... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Shockwave at July 14, 2008, 4:24 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | It must also be pointed out that they were STILL willing to go on and fight to stop The Golden Army from killing humanity. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at July 14, 2008, 4:17 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey I wonder, why did these characters act in such selfish ways on this movie? Whats Guillermo trying to say with this? Love is first then ANYTHING? Selfish? The world turned their back on them after they saved their lives. They risk their neck everyday and the only respect they get from the general public is shit getting pelted at them on the streets and shouts proclaiming "FREAKS!" Really, all those characters have in this world is themselves. The government uses them to their own means, to kill their own kind in order to save an ungrateful world. The people think they're freaks of nature that should be destroyed. The only ones who really love them, and treat them with respect, are the ones right next to them. And so when the time comes that one of their own, one of their loved ones, are put in a position of danger, they choose them over the rest of the world. They're not being selfish, their thoughts are with the ones they love and not themselves. The ones bei... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Shockwave at July 14, 2008, 4:09 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey I dont recall him saying to Liz that he appears everytime or anything, but Ive only seen the movie once so, I might be wrong there. But Death basically told Liz, "if I keep him alive, his going to bring the destruction of the world? Do you understand that?" And she said "sure, Ill deal with that later". SAme thing Abe did, he gave Prince Nuada the piece of the crown just so he could save the Princess. I wonder, why did these characters act in such selfish ways on this movie? Whats Guillermo trying to say with this? Love is first then ANYTHING? I kinda liked that. I wouldnt say there were selfish because they werent really doing it for themselves, but for a loved one. It made them seem much more real for it. The Angel also said Liz would, by far, suffer far worse then anyone. She didnt care. Humanity really hasnt done these people many favors other then keeping them hidden, and calling them freaks and throwing things at them whenever they show up in... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at July 14, 2008, 4:04 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by chinton It just seemed to me at least that Wanted is getting a far higher average grade or rating compared to HB2 on this board. Dont know what board youve been visiting, but for the most part, the grand majority of the posters on this thread have said this movie rocks, and that it is far superior to the original. I have to say I agree! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at July 14, 2008, 3:53 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Shockwave Its a very good movie. Gave me exactly what i wanted going into it. Back on the subject on Hellboy 2, did anyone else catch what the Angel of Death said to Liz? That he appears each time? Does he mean each time Hellboy comes close to death/dies? Is he pretty much there simply to keep Hellboy from dying before he kills humanity? If so, i wonder if we wont see him again in the next movie. I dont recall him saying to Liz that he appears everytime or anything, but Ive only seen the movie once so, I might be wrong there. But Death basically told Liz, "if I keep him alive, his going to bring the destruction of the world? Do you understand that?" And she said "sure, Ill deal with that later". SAme thing Abe did, he gave Prince Nuada the piece of the crown just so he could save the Princess. I wonder, why did these characters act in such selfish ways on this movie? Whats Guillermo trying to say with this? Love is first then ANYTHING? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Shockwave at July 14, 2008, 3:48 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Bourne101 Coolio. I enjoyed Hellboy II very much as well. I just enjoyed Wanted more. Its a very good movie. Gave me exactly what i wanted going into it. Back on the subject on Hellboy 2, did anyone else catch what the Angel of Death said to Liz? That he appears each time? Does he mean each time Hellboy comes close to death/dies? Is he pretty much there simply to keep Hellboy from dying before he kills humanity? If so, i wonder if we wont see him again in the next movie. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at July 14, 2008, 3:45 pm | | Topic: Hellboy II: The Golden Army Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Shockwave I think my only gripe with the movie is how much they changed it from the comic. I was always a big fan of "if your going to adapt something then adapt IT." Still rocked, but Hellboy just had such imagination and craft put into it, i cant help but admire the movie more. He so needs to do a DR STRANGE movie. Now theres an idea! DelToro directing a Dr. Strange movie, it would suit him perfectly thats for sure. Anyhows, about Hellboy not being faithful to the comics. I dont agree so much with this comment so much Shockwave. The reason is because Mignolas early comics didnt really have a continuity to them. For the most part the Hellboy comics where always a bunch of short stories that always revolved around the supernatural. The Hellboy comics and graphic novels were never as sequential as say a Spider Man comic book. Hellboy and the BPRD were always there, but the real stars of the comics were the different supernatural myths that Mignola always brought to life i... | | Read Entire Entry |
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