| Posted by: nayland at June 23, 2008, 9:01 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | I have to agree with most. He is in a slump. I went to see THE HAPPENING. And i must say i was very let down. I guess i was expecting alot more from this since it was his first R rated film. But i was wrong. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Hey Man at June 22, 2008, 10:38 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by sirdizzy It has everything to do with M Night's situation. One of the majoring arguing points that was made in the beginning of this thread was that because all the studios passed on M Night and he had to find financing himself it is the beginning of the end for him. But studios passing on directors or films means absolutely nothing, my example showed that Columbia passed on all five best picture nominees for 2004, yet everyone of those movies ended up being made. If the movie is good it will get made even if its gets passed on by a few studios. The fact that a sequel to Deuce Bigalo also getting made just proves the point the movie doesn't even need to be good to get made it just needs a name to attached to it or to be known. M Night is known and he will still be able to get movies made even if it takes him going to multiple studios. Sorry, but you just don't get it and you obviously can't be bothered to do the research to see exactly why your points have nothing to do with M Kni... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: sirdizzy at June 21, 2008, 1:02 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Hey Man You might have had a point if this had anything to do with M. Knight's situation . But since it doesn't - you are wasting your breath. It has everything to do with M Night's situation. One of the majoring arguing points that was made in the beginning of this thread was that because all the studios passed on M Night and he had to find financing himself it is the beginning of the end for him. But studios passing on directors or films means absolutely nothing, my example showed that Columbia passed on all five best picture nominees for 2004, yet everyone of those movies ended up being made. If the movie is good it will get made even if its gets passed on by a few studios. The fact that a sequel to Deuce Bigalo also getting made just proves the point the movie doesn't even need to be good to get made it just needs a name to attached to it or to be known. M Night is known and he will still be able to get movies made even if it takes him going to multiple studios. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: fervors at June 20, 2008, 2:14 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey The guys a talented director, he just needs to try and stop making this movies with "twist" endings. He needs to be more straight forward with his stories, I mean, I know its a good thing to keep you audience intrigued by a mystery, but when all your films are the same way, it becomes repetitive and boring. His problem is, his doing the same thing all the time. Different themes, same style of storytelling. I mean, some could argue thats "his thing" but, in my opinion, people are already expecting that "twist ending", so its no longer a surprise. He needs to try something entirely new, I mean really try to push the envelope and focuse his creative energies differently. The thing is, he is too straightforward here. I actually wish there was more of a mystery. The characters in the film get it right in the first half an hour, it's a joke. I mean, this really is a godawful film. I think he was trying for something new here, this could have bee... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Ayestrain at June 20, 2008, 3:32 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Haven't seen "The Happening". "Sixth Sense" was a great film, duh. "Unbreakable" had me right up to the lame-ass Dragnet-esque ending. "Signs" was a cool concept and decent film with an infuriating second half. I don't think he really knows how to direct actors. Ditto "The Village"--again, nice concept, great cast but a really really fuckin' lame reveal & really awkward, embarrassing exposition done by the characters to help "sell" the twist. "Lady In The Water" I had to turn off in the middle. After that piece of indulgent shit, I swore off M Knight's flicks for good. Fuck 'em. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Shockwave at June 20, 2008, 3:16 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by AndrewDB I lost it laughing at the part I bolded. He doesn't know what the hell a B movie is, I just lost what very little respect I had for the guy. EXACTLY what i thought when i read that. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Kilar at June 20, 2008, 12:03 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | I've always liked this guys movies, some nmore than others, but I like the feel and atmosphere he creates. The twist thing is a blessing and curse, but with a guy likehim branching out into a totally difference genre would be very interesting, maybe not comedy, but something other than thriller/twist/drama. That said he does come cross as a bit of an ass at times. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: MisterTwister at June 19, 2008, 11:51 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | I rather not see anymore films being done by him. I've been put through enough torture. But he does have his fans so I would be selfish to say he should go away. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: fooknasty at June 19, 2008, 11:21 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by SkyNet but that just solidifies everything i got from the movie even before i knew that he was going for a B movie feel! That shows what a GREAT director he is it shows that all the dumbasses complaining about the poor acting in the movie, simply missed the type of movie they were seeing... the acting is pure B movie acting, which is exactly what i said earlier... it proves that Night is still on top of his game... who gives a fuck if he has an EGO... everyone has an ego, because we all think our opinions actually matter... thats an ego! and actually this all shows that Night puts a little too much faith in the intelligence of Americans... because he didnt feel he had to spell EVERY LITTLE DETAIL OUT for people to get this film... but sadly... and judging by this thread and a couple of reviews i read (Namely Capone at Aint It Cool News)... he has to... which is a shame for people like myself and a few others who actually got The Happening... now you can hate the movie for MANY rea... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: SkyNet at June 19, 2008, 11:17 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | but that just solidifies everything i got from the movie even before i knew that he was going for a B movie feel! That shows what a GREAT director he is it shows that all the dumbasses complaining about the poor acting in the movie, simply missed the type of movie they were seeing... the acting is pure B movie acting, which is exactly what i said earlier... it proves that Night is still on top of his game... who gives a fuck if he has an EGO... everyone has an ego, because we all think our opinions actually matter... thats an ego! and actually this all shows that Night puts a little too much faith in the intelligence of Americans... because he didnt feel he had to spell EVERY LITTLE DETAIL OUT for people to get this film... but sadly... and judging by this thread and a couple of reviews i read (Namely Capone at Aint It Cool News)... he has to... which is a shame for people like myself and a few others who actually got The Happening... now you can hate the movie for MANY reasons, you can hate the man for many... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: AndrewDB at June 19, 2008, 8:36 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Hey Man Read this and tell me that M Knight isn't insane. http://my.spill.com/profiles/blog/sh...gPost%3A323778 Quote: CNN: So a lot of people are going to see this and say, "Is this an environment movie?" Are you sending an Al Gore-like message out here, or is it just a thriller? Shyamalan: No. 1, it's a B movie. This is the best B movie you will ever see, that's it. That's what this is. If there's other things that stick to your ribs as you walk out, that's great, but it's supposed to be, you know, zombies eating flesh. CNN: So when you say B, you don't mean honeybee? Shyamalan: No, I meant like, you know, zombies and killer things running around. I lost it laughing at the part I bolded. He doesn't know what the hell a B movie is, I just lost what very little respect I had for the guy. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: JohnLocke2342 at June 19, 2008, 1:32 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | I won't lose all hope in M. Night until he puts together an utter piece of shit. I'm talking one of the worst if not THE worst movies you've ever seen. Something Uwe Boll esque, or maybe even on par with a shitty shitty B movie. Until that actually happens, I just can't rule the dude out. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: wisdomsword at June 19, 2008, 1:04 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by notchreturns Thread title should be changed to M Night Shyamalan is done making good films. It's already "Happening", thus the name dude. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Hey Man at June 18, 2008, 10:37 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by sirdizzy Studios passing on a film doesn't mean shit and I can invalidate that entire point with one sentence. In 2004 Columbia Pictures passed on all 5 best picture nominees for that year Million Dollar Baby, The Aviator, Finding Neverland, Ray, and Sideways but greenlit and made Deuce Bigalo European Gigolo. wheres your studio love now, yep the studios are fucking genius and if they pass on a film it just must not be very good. You might have had a point if this had anything to do with M. Knight's situation . But since it doesn't - you are wasting your breath. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Lebowski707 at June 18, 2008, 10:27 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Night is the new Hitchcock. Now don't crucify me for saying that, I love Hitchcock movies. They are both very similiar in their styles. Hitchcock had many flops throughout his time but yet he is hailed as a genius. Night has had a few movies that were not as good as the previous ones but they all did really well. They both create suspense like it is no ones business. They both take our most basic fears and make them a reality on the screen. For instance, one reason why I thought The Happening was so good was because it played on one of our most basic fears, the unknown. Now you cant come back and say "well that just proves that he sucks becuase he steals from Hitchcock." Its the movie industry everyone steals from each other. If they didnt we wouldnt have any of the Tarantino movies. Night is somebody who has stuck with what he knows which is storytelling. The only problem I think you guys have is that he changes from movie to movie to storytell in a different way. He is orginal and doesn't stick w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: sirdizzy at June 18, 2008, 10:12 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Studios passing on a film doesn't mean shit and I can invalidate that entire point with one sentence. In 2004 Columbia Pictures passed on all 5 best picture nominees for that year Million Dollar Baby, The Aviator, Finding Neverland, Ray, and Sideways but greenlit and made Deuce Bigalo European Gigolo. wheres your studio love now, yep the studios are fucking genius and if they pass on a film it just must not be very good. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Terror Australis at June 18, 2008, 3:33 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Digifruitella except The Happening has NO TWIST Exactly! Same with Lady in the Water and Signs (personally I never saw it as a twist ending). | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Cinexcellence at June 18, 2008, 12:18 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | The Village was really the only of his films that I didn't care for that much. But yeah, the man needs to stop writing. (Along with Lucas) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Digifruitella at June 17, 2008, 11:33 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey The guys a talented director, he just needs to try and stop making this movies with "twist" endings. He needs to be more straight forward with his stories, I mean, I know its a good thing to keep you audience intrigued by a mystery, but when all your films are the same way, it becomes repetitive and boring. His problem is, his doing the same thing all the time. Different themes, same style of storytelling. I mean, some could argue thats "his thing" but, in my opinion, people are already expecting that "twist ending", so its no longer a surprise. He needs to try something entirely new, I mean really try to push the envelope and focuse his creative energies differently. except The Happening has NO TWIST | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Badbird at June 17, 2008, 10:28 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Hey, it did $30 million against big time competition (the two movies ahead of it did $55 and $35 million as well), and it's rated R. I'd say it did pretty good. Will it hold up? Who knows, but he's not done. What a twist! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: kobe8byrant at June 17, 2008, 11:38 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | The Happening: Opening- 30.5 Million Lady in the Water: Opening- 18.0 Million/Final Numbers- 42.3 Million The Village: Opening- 50.7 Million/Final Numbers- 114.2 Million Hated the Village and Lady in the Water but I do think that the Happening was great - could have been better if we had a better lead but I liked it as much as I liked Signs if that says anything. Find A list actors and he'd do fine. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: auge_28 at June 17, 2008, 11:33 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Thats OK, I am done with this stupid conversation. Just by looking at the numbers and the response to all but two of his films the proof is in the pudding. I have no interest arguing with this person anymore, he does not want to learn . . . He just has an opinion and is sticking to his guns regardless of the actual facts. So I am done. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Winston Wolfe at June 17, 2008, 10:51 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Hey Man and all, This is a great topic of debate but remember to refrain from ALL personal attacks or you will be banned. WW | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at June 17, 2008, 8:36 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | The guys a talented director, he just needs to try and stop making this movies with "twist" endings. He needs to be more straight forward with his stories, I mean, I know its a good thing to keep you audience intrigued by a mystery, but when all your films are the same way, it becomes repetitive and boring. His problem is, his doing the same thing all the time. Different themes, same style of storytelling. I mean, some could argue thats "his thing" but, in my opinion, people are already expecting that "twist ending", so its no longer a surprise. He needs to try something entirely new, I mean really try to push the envelope and focuse his creative energies differently. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: fervors at June 17, 2008, 8:00 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | I can imagine myself growing a massive ego after making a film with one of the best twists in recent history. Still, that's no excuse to carry on desperately trying to reel them off unnecessarily in the rest of your work, which seems to be the main peeve with this guy. I've only seen three of his films, two of which I liked, one of those being 'The Village', which I will stand by any day. He is a fine, fine director and not much less of a writer. Where is the proof of this EGO through his writing? I'm not going against the statement, I've just never noticed this myself. From what I've seen, he started off fantastically, had a slight dip, came back up again. I'll see if this wave continues after seeing 'The Happening' tomorrow. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Shockwave at June 17, 2008, 6:37 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | The problem with Night IS his ego. I dont even think its his scripts. Shit scripts get approved all the time. The problem is he is probably the biggest control freak in all of Hollywood. That makes him an utter pain in the ass for studios to work with, even when he was the star of the day. The thing is,however, your only one hit away from being AWESOME again. Theres always going to be SOMEONE who will roll the dice with the guy for a potential hit. Really, he needs to just put the GET OVER HIMSELF and put the fucking writing pen DOWN and direct a movie written by someone else. Hes a VERY talented director, but its clear his writing is getting worse with each movie he does in my opinion. Even THE HAPPENING, which i thought was a step up froim the ego-trip-on-film that was LADY IN THE WATER, sufferd every time the main character opend thier mouths. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: wisdomsword at June 17, 2008, 12:49 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | I like 6th Sense but hated everything else from him, even hated that TV commercial he did for Master Card/American Express (can't remember which one it was). | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Hey Man at June 17, 2008, 12:24 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen A - List directors usually don't purpose projects as risky as Shyamalan's projects. They're usually very unorthodox and hard to sell to an audience as it is, it's only natural that some studios wouldn't want to take the risk on them even with Shyamalan's name attached. Really, there are multiple reasons why studios might pass on a project. Budget, lack of marketability, fully booked for the year, whatever. Cameron had trouble getting Avatar made because it's budget for the longest time, does that mean his career is over? Not by a long shot. He's the pure definition of A-List. And even if Shyamalan becomes a B-list director, that doesn't mean his career is over. He'll still write his own projects and direct them, they'd just be lower budget. As long as his name is M. Night Shyamalan, and he made The Sixth Sense, someone's going to take him up on his deal based on name-sell alone. But your reasonings are not factual to The Happening. Do some fucking research before you spe... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: LordSimen at June 17, 2008, 12:24 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Studios approve shit scripts all the time. Hell, half the time the shit in most scripts comes from the studios themselves thinking they can write better than the writers. If the script quality is in the eye of the beholder and even if 10 studios thought it was shit and didn't want nothing to do with it, at least one looked at it and said "Why not?" and took a shot. That in and of itself, like I said, is more than most directors/writers can say. Not to mention the movie DID make money andis fairly successful already. So from a business stand point- He still sells. Sure, 30mil opening weekend for a 60mil project may seem like bad mojo. But if you do the math and look at history, it's most likely to at least break even on it's theater run and then make lots of cash on the DVD sales. The guy ain't going nowhere any time soon. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at June 17, 2008, 12:15 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | A - List directors usually don't purpose projects as risky as Shyamalan's projects. They're usually very unorthodox and hard to sell to an audience as it is, it's only natural that some studios wouldn't want to take the risk on them even with Shyamalan's name attached. Really, there are multiple reasons why studios might pass on a project. Budget, lack of marketability, fully booked for the year, whatever. Cameron had trouble getting Avatar made because it's budget for the longest time, does that mean his career is over? Not by a long shot. He's the pure definition of A-List. And even if Shyamalan becomes a B-list director, that doesn't mean his career is over. He'll still write his own projects and direct them, they'd just be lower budget. As long as his name is M. Night Shyamalan, and he made The Sixth Sense, someone's going to take him up on his deal based on name-sell alone. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Hey Man at June 17, 2008, 12:14 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen Multiple studios passing on a risky project with an unorthodox story? Yeah. That's pretty damn common. Either way, Shyamalan may have had trouble finding the right studio for his project, but he still got into meetings with those big studios and he STILL found one that picked it up and made it. That's more than 90% of film makers out there can say. His career is far from over. OK try to follow me here - A List directors don't have problems getting studio deals like he has had with this one and studios don't often pass on A List directors' projects. If Peter Jackson had written The Happening to direct - studios would be fighting for it. Despite what you claim is a risky project with an unorthodox story. M Knight should already have a deal at a studio where they are willing to produce his next 5 films. He has burned some bridges, but for some reason - you people are not recognizing that fact. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at June 17, 2008, 12:02 am | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Multiple studios passing on a risky project with an unorthodox story? Yeah. That's pretty damn common. Either way, Shyamalan may have had trouble finding the right studio for his project, but he still got into meetings with those big studios and he STILL found one that picked it up and made it. That's more than 90% of film makers out there can say. His career is far from over. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Hey Man at June 16, 2008, 11:52 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by SkyNet studios pass on movies all the time... as do TV shows... if i remember correctly, The Sopranos was originally pitched to NBC who passed on it, so they went to HBO, and now Sopranos is one of TV's all time greatest shows and will live forever. So the fact that studios passed on The Happening, really, Means Jack Shit, as that is standard practice in Hollywood I guaran-fucking-tee that those studios are kicking themselves after The Happening... an R rated film opening against one of the biggest summer blockbusters of the year, pulled in over 30 million dollars you have to realize, your argument has been torn to shreds by all of us! It holds no weight... M. Night's career is FAR from over, his films suffer from the simple fact that his first 3 movies are Almost classics Richard Roeper had a great thing to say on this past weeks show, he said if you throw any other directors name on The Happening, it would be getting MUCH better reviews... and i agree... people take a comparison... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Digifruitella at June 16, 2008, 11:23 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by SkyNet Have you seen Miami Vice????? you may eat them words when you see this lil "Brilliant Gem"!!! he may eat what? he didn't say "gem" he said "director" and that wasn't the point he was making. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: mutant_gorilla at June 16, 2008, 10:46 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | I think the thing that I respect most about M. Night is that he is faithful with his ideas, that...You never really know how successful something will be until you just jump in the water with it. I'm sure he worried about such films as The Village and Lady in the Water, but if he held off on making them because he was afraid of the reception they would get, he'd never really know how it'd turn out. I personally loved every movie he's put out. I'm yet to see The Happening but I will this week and i'm sure i'll love it too. The Village wasn't a disappointment, but its just something thats hard to watch, because no experience matches the first time you see it. So I respect him in the sense that he isn't afraid to try new things. I look forward to seeing the Airbender movies. I think it will give him the time he needs to form a new original idea after that trilogy is over. So. We won't be seeing another original from M. Night for a while. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: SkyNet at June 16, 2008, 10:45 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Hey Man Michael Mann is one of the most brilliant directors in film history, however his films really don't do big box office business like The Sixth Sense for example. But having said that, Michael Mann could go to any studio tomorrow and they would gladly finance and produce any film that he wants without even seeing the script. Have you seen Miami Vice????? you may eat them words when you see this lil "Brilliant Gem"!!! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: SkyNet at June 16, 2008, 10:39 pm | | Topic: M. Night Shyamalan Is Done Forum: JoBlo | | studios pass on movies all the time... as do TV shows... if i remember correctly, The Sopranos was originally pitched to NBC who passed on it, so they went to HBO, and now Sopranos is one of TV's all time greatest shows and will live forever. So the fact that studios passed on The Happening, really, Means Jack Shit, as that is standard practice in Hollywood I guaran-fucking-tee that those studios are kicking themselves after The Happening... an R rated film opening against one of the biggest summer blockbusters of the year, pulled in over 30 million dollars you have to realize, your argument has been torn to shreds by all of us! It holds no weight... M. Night's career is FAR from over, his films suffer from the simple fact that his first 3 movies are Almost classics Richard Roeper had a great thing to say on this past weeks show, he said if you throw any other directors name on The Happening, it would be getting MUCH better reviews... and i agree... people take a comparison route in seeing his flicks rather ... | | Read Entire Entry |
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