| Posted by: Brendan M. at May 16, 2008, 10:44 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Scarface98.9 My job at Blockbuster means I see what's coming out each week and not a week goes by without some crappy straight to video schlock infecting shelf space. With so many new directors making horror movies, its given me the feeling of horror movies being less like entertainment and nothing more than mass produced fodder. From what I remember reading here on the forums, Blockbuster had an edited down version of Inside. So really, who cares if you work at blockbuster. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at May 16, 2008, 7:56 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen And it's got those. Eli Roth, James Wan, Rob Zombie, Neil Marshell, Alexandre Bustillo & Julien Maury Yeah, but these are relative new comers who show promise. Theyve made two or three films...but have yet to make their "masterpiece". As much as I love Eli Roth films, I think he still has to prove himself a bit further as far as the horror genre goes. Hostel I and II were great, but he still has to do that one great horror film that can be considered a masterpiece of horror. Same goes with all the others you mentioned. Neil Marshalls films have been great, I loved both The Descent and Dog Soldiers...the veredict is still out on Doomsday since I havent seen it yet, but by the looks of it, its not masterpiece material. James Wans flawed SAw film was great...but he followed it with the dud Dead Silence which dissapointed me inmensely. Im talking these guys have to make horror films of witch people will be talking about for years and years to come. Something th... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: LordSimen at May 15, 2008, 4:19 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey What horror needs are good directors who will actually put an effort into doing something thats worthwhile. And it's got those. Eli Roth, James Wan, Rob Zombie, Neil Marshell, Alexandre Bustillo & Julien Maury, Takashi Miike, etc... I'm sure Darren Lynn Bousman will contribute greatly to the genre as well once he releases Repo! The Genetic Opera and is no long associated with the endless Saw sequels. Ryuhei Kitamura's second effort into the horror genre Midnight Meat Train looks promising as well. I could go on and on with promising new comers and vets still making the good stuff but, I think I've made my point that it does have good directors actually willing to put effort into worthwhile projects. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Shockwave at May 15, 2008, 3:18 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Frank the Tank Another great example of a recent very mature horror film is The Orphanage. Not to mention 28 Days/Weeks Later, Pans Labyrinth, The Host, Cloverfield, THEM, The Mist, ect, ect. HORROR is, to me, probably the hardest genre to get right. Easy to make. Hard to get right. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at May 15, 2008, 2:18 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Heres the thing though, horror is as shitty as it is right now because like you mentioned scarface98.9, theres too many crappy directors making horror films. Its come to the point where its just a watered down product. But the real root of the problem is mediocre directors with out any true vision out there. Non of these guys are focused on doing something different or truly frightening, they are most likely first time directors for hire, doing what they are being asked to do and getting payed for it as opposed to doing something you really love, doing something different, doing something that will really grab people, instead of doing the 100,000th Saw rip off. What horror needs are good directors who will actually put an effort into doing something thats worthwhile. Something that will truly knock our socks off. Thats what was so cool about the 70s, there were good directors making horror films. Like truly good directors. ANd hey, if Stanley Kubrick could do his horror movie, why cant any other great direct... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Scarface98.9 at May 15, 2008, 10:50 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | The reason I think PTA shouldn't do a horror movie is because of what its become. I'll be the first to admit that horror was a legitamite genre and has had some classics like some of the ones listed. Many of which were made 30 years ago and stand the test of time but I can't name on one hand how many memorable horror movies have done that for me from the last 20 or so years. My job at Blockbuster means I see what's coming out each week and not a week goes by without some crappy straight to video schlock infecting shelf space. With so many new directors making horror movies, its given me the feeling of horror movies being less like entertainment and nothing more than mass produced fodder. While other genres like drama, comedy, etc. likely have just as much a bad to good ratio, i'm not bombarded with them, and I've seen a lot more variety in the types of movies of its genre. The horror movies I get to seeing usual has the same formula, the same shitty design for a villain or monster, the same tits and ass, and... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at May 15, 2008, 8:25 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Scarfather True enough, but completing the trifecta of nearly all horror films released are Tween Slashy-Wah-Wah and Blues Asians on the Ceiling. Notable exceptions this year can be seen in The Ruins, The Signal, and maybe Teeth, but if these films are what you think of as good cinema, there's nothing I can do for you. I noticed that LordSimen posted something, but I've long since given up on any sort of intelligent response from the Wall, so I've made it a due habit of immediately scrolling past all of his posts. But the same can be done for any genre, you can mention thousands of bad ones...and the one good film that came out of whatever genre. Its not something thats exclusive to horror movies. What about FRank Darabont's (another great A-list director doing horror by the way) The Myst? Thats a good example of really good thought provoking horror film. So you ignore the replies of posters who are trying to have a conversation wtih you? Then whats the point of posting if your no... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Shockwave at May 15, 2008, 7:15 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Le_Big_Mac It's an interesting prospect, but his style is so epic in scope, thematically, physically and chronologically, that he couldn't have success with something as purposefully restrictive as a horror film. . Horror, like most any genre, is only as restrictive as someone makes it. Id love me an epic horror movie. Just think if he did Stephen Kings IT or THE STAND. Id be drooling at that prospect. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Le_Big_Mac at May 14, 2008, 7:15 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | It's an interesting prospect, but his style is so epic in scope, thematically, physically and chronologically, that he couldn't have success with something as purposefully restrictive as a horror film. If There Will Be Blood proves anything about those involved, it's that Jonny Greenwood should do a horror movie score. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Scarfather at May 14, 2008, 5:19 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Tweek So... The entirety of horror as a genre throughout film and literature gets tossed into the dumpster because of the rise of "torture porn"? 'Tis a subcategory, if anything. True enough, but completing the trifecta of nearly all horror films released are Tween Slashy-Wah-Wah and Blues Asians on the Ceiling. Notable exceptions this year can be seen in The Ruins, The Signal, and maybe Teeth, but if these films are what you think of as good cinema, there's nothing I can do for you. I noticed that LordSimen posted something, but I've long since given up on any sort of intelligent response from the Wall, so I've made it a due habit of immediately scrolling past all of his posts. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: starcat at May 14, 2008, 2:58 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | bashing horror because of "torture porn" is just like hating rock n roll cause you didnt like the grunge movement. there are so many types of horror... for example my favorites are creature features and slashers... and they are definately not all four star movies... im sorry but horror would not be fun if they all were. I love the more classy elegant horror flicks like the ones previously mentioned. but i also love the "tits and gore fests", ala sleepaway camps for example, as much as anyone. what you consider shit fests i consider b-movie classics. i mean, i totally dug there will be blood, but what a boring world it would be if all movies were like that. besides, i know alot of action flicks that have alot of gore, and alot of comedies that have way more tits than most horror flicks... is pt to good to direct action and comedy now too? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Tweek at May 14, 2008, 2:32 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Scarfather I'm fully in support of any good director taking a crack at it, and when they do, it's generally good, and with actual devotion to horror instead of torture porn, but I'm not about to delude myself into thinking that Kubrick, Polanski, and extremely rare masters like Carpenter excuse the crap the horror genre pumps out nearly every week. So... The entirety of horror as a genre throughout film and literature gets tossed into the dumpster because of the rise of "torture porn"? 'Tis a subcategory, if anything. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Shockwave at May 14, 2008, 2:23 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | it really doesnt matter what genre he goes into, chances are, the movies going to own no matter what. Id love to see him take his hand at horror. Its a much harder genre to please since there are so many bad-asses out there who refuse to be scared at anything. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: KcMsterpce at May 14, 2008, 2:16 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | He already did horror. It's called MAGNOLIA, and it's such horror that I hope I never EVER have to go back! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at May 14, 2008, 11:38 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Scarfather A half a dozen okay movies doesn't excuse an epic plethora of pure shit. . You think theres only half a dozen good horror movies in existense? I only mentioned a few, but trust me theres plenty more where those came from.... Spilbergs Jaws, F.W. Murnaus Faust, The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari...Terrence Fishers Horror of Dracula, James Whales Frankenstein and Bride of Frankenstein...I can go on for quite sometime here....John Carpenters The Thing, David Cronenbergs The Fly, Sam Raimis The Evil Dead, Gore Verbinskis The Ring.. Quote: Originally Posted by Scarfather Torture porn like Hostel and its ilk fail on a level so much harder than 'Blank' Movies because the fans of 'Blank' Movie know exactly what is they're watching and aren't ashamed of it. . Who the hell is talking about Torture Porn here? We all know that it lies at the very buttom of horror, plus no one here mentioned Torture Porn, were talking about true classics of the genre here, like the ones that have been ment... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Brendan M. at May 14, 2008, 11:32 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Frank the Tank With There Will Be Blood, he really showed that he could do an incredible horror film. There Will Be Blood had some very suspenseful scenes (Fire scene) and soom really moody scenes (beginning). Hell, the score would've been perfect for a horror film. Wow, I haven't seen There Will Be Blood but now after reading that comment I think I really want to now. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at May 14, 2008, 11:28 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey Wow some really ignorant comments in here...that person that said that horror is only for showcasing tits and gore is a real ignorant poster. I guess his never seen Kubricks The Shinning, Roman Polanskys Rosemarys Baby, William Friedkins The Exorcist, Richard Donners The Omen...the list of great directors who have done horror goes on and on.... Now here's a smart man right now. Let's not forget Francis Ford Coppola's take on Bram Stroker's Dracula, Brian De Palma's take on Carrie, Spielberg's Jaws, Ridley Scott's Alien and James Cameron's Aliens. Hitchcock's Psycho. And all this is not even including the horror regulars who tend to exclusively shoot horror films. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: echo_bravo at May 14, 2008, 11:26 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Did anyone read his interview in Total Film magazine? PT said he was a huge fan of Rob Zombie films (especially House of 1000 Corpses). He said it was "good, nasty perverted fun". I thought that was pretty cool. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at May 14, 2008, 11:22 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Scarfather A half a dozen okay movies doesn't excuse an epic plethora of pure shit. You must hate the movie industry then. Quote: Originally Posted by Scarfather Torture porn like Hostel and its ilk fail on a level so much harder than 'Blank' Movies because the fans of 'Blank' Movie know exactly what is they're watching and aren't ashamed of it. Who the FUCK is ashamed of watching Hostel? I know I'm not. I fucking love Hostel and there's no shame in loving Hostel. Quote: Originally Posted by Scarfather Fans of torture porn hold a deep inherent need to defend their enjoyment of filth and contrive hilarious nonexistent metaphors and messages around the disembowelments and decapitations. Fuck the term torture porn. It was designed by people like you to bring down the horror genre, MUCH LIKE YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW and to attack it's fans, MUCH LIKE YOU'RE DOING RIGHT NOW. Thank you SO FUCKING MUCH for proving exactly what I've been saying about that term since day one. You're LIVING F... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Scarfather at May 14, 2008, 11:04 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | A half a dozen okay movies doesn't excuse an epic plethora of pure shit. Torture porn like Hostel and its ilk fail on a level so much harder than 'Blank' Movies because the fans of 'Blank' Movie know exactly what is they're watching and aren't ashamed of it. Fans of torture porn hold a deep inherent need to defend their enjoyment of filth and contrive hilarious nonexistent metaphors and messages around the disembowelments and decapitations. The Bad-to-Good ratio may be wide in all genres, but no genre has more unforgivable crap on their horizon on a regular basis than horror. I'm fully in support of any good director taking a crack at it, and when they do, it's generally good, and with actual devotion to horror instead of torture porn, but I'm not about to delude myself into thinking that Kubrick, Polanski, and extremely rare masters like Carpenter excuse the crap the horror genre pumps out nearly every week. That said, There Will Be Blood was P.T.'s horror film, so the thread is moot. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at May 14, 2008, 8:00 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Wow some really ignorant comments in here...that person that said that horror is only for showcasing tits and gore is a real ignorant poster. I guess his never seen Kubricks The Shinning, Roman Polanskys Rosemarys Baby, William Friedkins The Exorcist, Richard Donners The Omen...the list of great directors who have done horror goes on and on.... I would actually LOVE for A list directors like PTA would start doing horror movies that are worth our time. I do agree theres a lot of shitty horror being made...but horror can and has been so much more then just tits and gore. The other poster who said that horror is "too one dimensional" for a director like PTA to work on...what the hell are you babling about? A good horror film explores the dark areas of the human psyche, it explores our collective fears, its not something one dimensional, it actually has many layers to it and can work in many different ways. It can be psychological, it can be gory, it can be shocking...it can work as social commentary, ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Strider at May 14, 2008, 5:43 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Hmm. What an interesting idea. I'd like to see P.T.A. tackle the horror genre. I think he could pull it off. Strider | | Static Link |
| Posted by: slumber party69 at May 14, 2008, 3:15 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by thedudeman69 Horror's too one dimensional for a multi dimensional director like P.T. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at May 14, 2008, 2:42 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by thedudeman69 Horror's too one dimensional for a multi dimensional director like P.T. Quote: Originally Posted by Scarface98.9 He should stay away from horror. I doubt horror fans would be fine with all his main characters being cokeheads and I doubt PTA fans would like him being grounded by plotless schlock that's only meant to showcase tits and gratuitious gore ... I feel like The Hulk right now. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Frank the Tank at May 14, 2008, 2:13 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | With There Will Be Blood, he really showed that he could do an incredible horror film. There Will Be Blood had some very suspenseful scenes (Fire scene) and soom really moody scenes (beginning). Hell, the score would've been perfect for a horror film. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Tweek at May 14, 2008, 12:13 am | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by JohnLocke2342 PTA is the man.. an underrated massstterrrr. He's not underrated so much anymore... Definitely not overrated in my opinion though. But yeah... Quote: Originally Posted by Scarface98.9 He should stay away from horror. I doubt horror fans would be fine with all his main characters being cokeheads and I doubt PTA fans would like him being grounded by plotless schlock that's only meant to showcase tits and gratuitious gore What horror movies have you been watching? That's not a prerequisite for all of them, although at least lately I can see how that conclusion might be made. Quote: Originally Posted by blond minx Go on the horror boards and say that,I dare you !. What dumb comment . Hehe it was total sarcasm. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Brendan M. at May 13, 2008, 11:36 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by blond minx I hope so lol.They need like a sarcastic icon or something . Carry on. Click the dude's profile. He has a picture of himself dressed as Michael Myers. That'll answer your question. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Brendan M. at May 13, 2008, 11:33 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by thedudeman69 Horror's too one dimensional for a multi dimensional director like P.T. pfth.... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: blond minx at May 13, 2008, 11:14 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by JohnLocke2342 I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.. I hope so lol.They need like a sarcastic icon or something . Carry on. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: JohnLocke2342 at May 13, 2008, 10:55 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by blond minx Go on the horror boards and say that,I dare you !. What dumb comment . I'm pretty sure he was being sarcastic.. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: blond minx at May 13, 2008, 10:52 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by CosmicPuppet Didn't you know that Locke? That's why Edgar Allen Poe and Stephen King are hacks. Horror is a stupid genre for only suckers. Psycho's a piece of shit. Go on the horror boards and say that,I dare you !. What dumb comment . | | Static Link |
| Posted by: APzombie at May 13, 2008, 10:30 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | i thought There Will be Blood was horror. Thats a real monster film right there. I'll eat up anything P.T.A. does. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Katsumoto at May 13, 2008, 10:30 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Lazy Boy Most of his movies have been about the horror of family drama. Exactly, I was just going to say... Plus I can't remember where I read this, but P.T. did say, There Will Be Blood was his horror movie. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: CosmicPuppet at May 13, 2008, 10:26 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | Didn't you know that Locke? That's why Edgar Allen Poe and Stephen King are hacks. Horror is a stupid genre for only suckers. Psycho's a piece of shit. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Lazy Boy at May 13, 2008, 10:26 pm | | Topic: P.T.A., please do horror! Forum: JoBlo | | His dad Ernie "Ghoulardi" Anderson did host Shock Theater, devoted to schlocky horror and sci-fi films, so maybe one of these days he could take up a horror project devoted to his memory. Not so campy, of course, straight up scares. Most of his movies have been about the horror of family drama. | | Static Link |
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