| Posted by: Homyrrh at May 22, 2008, 9:17 am | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey Pan is a greek deity, the god of shepperds, flocks, the wild, hunting, music, fertility and the season of spring. Faunus, (or Fauno in Spanish) is the Roman counterpart of Pan. A nature spirit. Both are horned creatures, and both have goats feet. Basically these two creatures represent nature, paganism, sexuality and satire. Yeah, del Toro mentioned in the same interview (sorry I can't find the sources...at work here) that he didn't title the original Spanish version with "Pan" because he didn't want the film, or more specifically Ofelia, to be associated with the god of sexuality or anything associated with that. I guess the marketing must have been easier with the term "Pan", as the faun images are obviously prevalent. However, how many people will actually cognizantly recognize and relate Pan to the faun to the labyrinth, etc.? Also, faun is a common noun as well...i.e. Mr. Tumnus in LWW is a faun. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at May 22, 2008, 9:08 am | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Homyrrh I read your review, pretty agreeable, etc. But one thing I'd mention is that I've read in multiple spots where the Greek god of harvest and agriculture, Pan, who's essentially a divine faun, makes no appearance in 'Pan's Labyrinth' despite the movie's title and striking resemblance to the actual (yet officially unnamed) faun in the film. Del Toro's been quoted as saying as much, and it makes sense, since, after all, the original Spanish version is titled 'El Labarinto del Fauno', literally "The Labyrinth of the Faun'. I have no lcue as to why the translation was made, but hell, who cares? Pan is a greek deity, the god of shepperds, flocks, the wild, hunting, music, fertility and the season of spring. Faunus, (or Fauno in Spanish) is the Roman counterpart of Pan. A nature spirit. Both are horned creatures, and both have goats feet. Basically these two creatures represent nature, paganism, sexuality and satire. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Homyrrh at May 21, 2008, 8:25 pm | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by KcMsterpce I really liked PL, and I got the Blu-Ray. Only watched about 15 minutes of it, then got sucked away by chores and agendas. I think I might pop it in this weekend and watch it in BR glory. I give it an 8/10, or an A-. I read your review, pretty agreeable, etc. But one thing I'd mention is that I've read in multiple spots where the Greek god of harvest and agriculture, Pan, who's essentially a divine faun, makes no appearance in 'Pan's Labyrinth' despite the movie's title and striking resemblance to the actual (yet officially unnamed) faun in the film. Del Toro's been quoted as saying as much, and it makes sense, since, after all, the original Spanish version is titled 'El Labarinto del Fauno', literally "The Labyrinth of the Faun'. I have no lcue as to why the translation was made, but hell, who cares? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: KcMsterpce at May 21, 2008, 7:32 pm | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | I really liked PL, and I got the Blu-Ray. Only watched about 15 minutes of it, then got sucked away by chores and agendas. I think I might pop it in this weekend and watch it in BR glory. I give it an 8/10, or an A-. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at May 21, 2008, 3:55 pm | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | Yeah, Im sure theres more in there that I havent picked up on yet. Often times interpretations depend on our own personal point of views. But often times, we get little clues as to what its really about, like the priests stuffing themselves at the dinner table while the general population starved. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Homyrrh at May 21, 2008, 3:52 pm | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey Well, I havent seen this movie in a while (time for a re-watch is at hand) but I seem to remember linking the toad to the religious leaders at the table. They are stuffed eating and eating, all the while the people are dying of hunger. The toad is religion turning a blind eye to the tree that is dying, the tree representing the people living under the rule of the goverment. I linked it with the religious leaders, since right before that toad scene we see them eating on the table with Ofelias step dad. And the toad knows that the tree is dying, but doesnt do anything about it, he just doesnt care. Theres more to link the toad to religion, but I gotta re-watch it in order to go further, Im just telling you what my initial response was to that specific scene. That's very legitimate. I actually missed the scene the first time (HBO...), but it seems a lot can be drawn from the table scene. However, there's probably other intent that del Toro had, regardless of whether we pi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at May 21, 2008, 3:28 pm | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | Well, I havent seen this movie in a while (time for a re-watch is at hand) but I seem to remember linking the toad to the religious leaders at the table. They are stuffed eating and eating, all the while the people are dying of hunger. The toad is religion turning a blind eye to the tree that is dying, the tree representing the people living under the rule of the goverment. I linked it with the religious leaders, since right before that toad scene we see them eating on the table with Ofelias step dad. And the toad knows that the tree is dying, but doesnt do anything about it, he just doesnt care. Theres more to link the toad to religion, but I gotta re-watch it in order to go further, Im just telling you what my initial response was to that specific scene. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at May 21, 2008, 12:39 pm | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | I agree, in this way Pans Labyrinth is very similar to other fantasy films like for example Labyrinth, Bridge to Terabithia, The Wizard of Oz, and Mirrormask. The fantasy world reflects whats going on in the protagonists life and in this fanatsy world, not everything is happy and perfect because the evil things from the real world, are present in the fantasy world as well. So thats why the fantasy world, though conforting in certain respects, has a dark side to it as well. More so in del Toros dark fantasy of Pans Labyrinth. Whats interesting though is that its in the fantasy world where the main character usually learns to deal with their problems, and faces them. So they can re awake in the real world and deal with them. In Mirrormask, the main character had to learn to deal with the fact that her mother has cancer (represented in the fantasy world by the black ink that comes out of her mouth), In Labyrinth the main character has to learn how to grow up and learn the balance between escaping into fantasy a... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Homyrrh at May 21, 2008, 9:32 am | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey Hey Hommyrh, did you notice the similarities between the fantasy world and the real world? Theres one scene where all the politicians and religious leaders are eating on this table and they are having a banquet, while the people outside are starving. Then the girl goes into her fantasy world and she sees a monster, sitting on a table with a banquet at the table. I thought that eyeless monster was her evil stepdad, who was such a dictator. Eyeless because he turns a blind eye to the people who are suffering from starvation? Hmm.. Then, she needed to get the keys to open up the farm where all the food was hiding and it was her step dad who possesed the key...and in the fantasy world she has to get that key from the eyeless monster as well. Once she gets it she gets into a heap of trouble. It kept on going on and on...whatever you saw in the real world, was somehow represented in the fantasy world as well. One of my favorite fantasy films ever. Definitely realized some of... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: LordSimen at May 21, 2008, 8:33 am | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Homyrrh And with that piece, I must ask if 'The Devil's Backbone' is equally captivating. Yes. It's more horror based than Pan's Labyrinth's Fantasy based, but the two make wonderful companion pieces and are equally as good as far as I'm concerned. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at May 21, 2008, 8:31 am | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | Hey Hommyrh, did you notice the similarities between the fantasy world and the real world? Theres one scene where all the politicians and religious leaders are eating on this table and they are having a banquet, while the people outside are starving. Then the girl goes into her fantasy world and she sees a monster, sitting on a table with a banquet at the table. I thought that eyeless monster was her evil stepdad, who was such a dictator. Eyeless because he turns a blind eye to the people who are suffering from starvation? Hmm.. Then, she needed to get the keys to open up the farm where all the food was hiding and it was her step dad who possesed the key...and in the fantasy world she has to get that key from the eyeless monster as well. Once she gets it she gets into a heap of trouble. It kept on going on and on...whatever you saw in the real world, was somehow represented in the fantasy world as well. One of my favorite fantasy films ever. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Homyrrh at May 21, 2008, 8:00 am | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | Did watch 'The Devil's Backbone' last night. Amazing, but I wasn't captivated, mesmerized, etc. as I was by 'Pan's Labyrinth'. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Homyrrh at May 20, 2008, 8:46 pm | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | Honestly, I saw'Hellboy' right when it hit the shelves; accordingly, I was 12 (?). Six years ago? I haven't seen it since, so it was more out of curiosity. Think I'm gonna try and grab 'The Devil's Backbone' and 'The Crow' tonight... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: tbone at May 20, 2008, 5:54 pm | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | I totally love Pan's Labryinth - can't wait for Hellboy 2 and see what he has in store for THe Hobbit | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Buck Turgidson at May 20, 2008, 5:39 pm | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | The Devil's Backbone is an extraordinary film, the one that made me a fan of Del Toro's work. It and Pan's Labyrinth stand at the head of his list, but his more commercial films are also really well done and interesting. I share Psychocandy's high regard for Hellboy and I am a huge fan of Blade II, which is the best of the series (much like the middle film is the pick of the Road Warrior saga.) | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Psychocandy at May 20, 2008, 3:55 pm | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | Um...yeah. Hellboy 4.5/5. I loved it. I love fantasy. I love horror. I love action movies. Hellboy had all three in spades and was visually stunning. I'm a big fan of the Mignola comics and it was a great adaptation. Obviously you disagree and you're perfectly entitled to do so. But what didn't you like about it? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Psychocandy at May 20, 2008, 3:23 pm | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | The Devil's Backbone isn't quite as captivating as Pan's Labyrinth. No. But it's a very good movie. I rank Del Toro's movies thusly... Pan's Labyrinth - 5/5 Hellboy 4.5/5 The Devil's Backbone - 4.5/5 Cronos - 4/5 Blade 2 - 4/5 Mimic - 3/5 He's one of my favorite director's at the moment and I expect The Hobbit will bring him success on the same sort of level The Lord Of The Rings brought Peter Jackson. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Homyrrh at May 20, 2008, 2:49 pm | | Topic: On 'Pan's Labyrinth' Forum: JoBlo | | In essentially hitting cinema's underworld for next indefinite period of time, I saw 'Mean Streets' in whole for the first time, but, more importantly, saw 'Pan's Labyrinth' for the second time (on HBO the first time around). Until recently, I've RARELY watch films twice, but I knew Del Toro's magnum opus deserved a second watch. In all, an EASY 10.0/10, the only DVD other than American Beauty I've seen this year that deserved a perfect score. I read one review afterward that swore Del Toro was trying too hard for an analytical film, that he shamelessly wanted to make this a worthy masterpiece. I, of course, say it is a masterpiece, with some incredibly deep conflicts and themes, flawless writing, and a spectacular fantasy world. The darker, "adult" fairy tale was quite original, or at least Del Toro's spin on it. Also, IMDb's FAQ page on the film has some interesting points supporting some of its themes. And with that piece, I must ask if 'The Devil's Backbone' is equally captivating. | | Static Link |
|