| Posted by: Tony_Montana at May 23, 2008, 9:52 am | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by KcMsterpce This is because there was no PG-13 rating until Spielberg recommend it for Temple of Doom. Yeah, but Raiders is still way more violent than any PG-13 even today. I mean hell, when was the last time you saw someone get shot in the head with blood spray out the exit wound in PG-13? Or even any blood-squibs at all? And that's without mentioning the Nazi barbeque party at the end.... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: MisterTwister at May 22, 2008, 2:38 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by KcMsterpce When I worked at a video store back in 1996, there was a new VHS out for rent of those two titles. They were rated PG-13. And I was annoyed. Got ya | | Static Link |
| Posted by: KcMsterpce at May 22, 2008, 1:02 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by MisterTwister Ghostbusters and Gremlins have been re-rated!? (looks at the back of the DVD) both still say PG. What is going on? When I worked at a video store back in 1996, there was a new VHS out for rent of those two titles. They were rated PG-13. And I was annoyed. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: MisterTwister at May 22, 2008, 12:43 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by KcMsterpce This is because there was no PG-13 rating until Spielberg recommend it for Temple of Doom. The heart ripping scene was too harsh along with the darker tone for a PG rating. But he didn't want it rated R. So he proposed the MPAA make a PG-14. Damn, that guy was a genius. First movie to be widely released as PG-13 was RED DAWN, but THE FLAMINGO KID was the first flick that the MPAA rated with this new system. I've noticed how some movies (which annoys me) have been re-rated some time around 1996 and afterwards. GHOSTBUSTERS all of a sudden was PG-13, along with GREMLINS, BETTER OFF DEAD, and some other titles that got a fresh VHS sent out to stores for sale. Even now, I see something got a new rating. I just wish they didn't do that. It's like renaming RAIDERS... "Indiana Jones and the Raiders...", or Star Wars becoming "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope". Gimme a break! I also thought it was "film ore seats". Ghostbusters and Gremlins have be... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Asa_Phelps at May 22, 2008, 12:13 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Homyrrh That's fact, not an opinion. Few directors will preserve their "R vision" in favor of editing and reducing it to a "PG-13 result" if it means doubling your paycheck. Hell I'd end up more than tempted... And O-C, you're right. Like I said, Hollywood is far from being influenced by elitist religious groups. The themes and statements included in the vast majority of films (that are respectable enough to have themes and statements...) are neither conservative or Christian. Well the whole issue of how films are rated and why certain scenes get branded with an R while others which seem just as offensive get the PG-13 is a whole other can of worms. And while kids can get into rated R movies, I've also seen them getting kicked out. It was a sad day for me when I went to see Aliens 3 with my parents and they wouldn't let me in because I was too young. The main reason I posted was because the logic for making your film PG seemed so obvious. But the way this guy w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: LordSimen at May 22, 2008, 10:39 am | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Homyrrh That's fact, not an opinion. True. Quote: Originally Posted by Homyrrh Few directors will preserve their "R vision" in favor of editing and reducing it to a "PG-13 result" if it means doubling your paycheck. Hell I'd end up more than tempted... Also true. Which is why I thank god for A. The directors who will fight tooth and nail for the projects or know their ways around the MPAA rating systems (Tarantino, Roth, etc...), and B. Unrated DVDs | | Static Link |
| Posted by: SpoonMan999 at May 22, 2008, 10:35 am | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by vesaker heh, sounds like a plan And i find that the changing of rating after the directors inital cut is also what bothers me the most. I still havn't seen Die Hard 4, and i'm sure its a great flick, but just the knowledge that it got recut to fit a PG 13 rating leaves a bad taste in my mouth and gives me the need to film ore seats! This will be bigger than gtfo. Die Hard 4 was an enjoyable flick but it just doesn't feel like a Die Hard without a foul mouthed McClain. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: vesaker at May 22, 2008, 10:32 am | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by SpoonMan999 Hey! It was a joint effort, your typo and my interpretation. I think if we try hard enough we can make this a meme. Whenever a movie looks like it's been fluffed too much we can just say, "Well, they needed to film ore seats." heh, sounds like a plan And i find that the changing of rating after the directors inital cut is also what bothers me the most. I still havn't seen Die Hard 4, and i'm sure its a great flick, but just the knowledge that it got recut to fit a PG 13 rating leaves a bad taste in my mouth and gives me the need to film ore seats! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Homyrrh at May 22, 2008, 10:26 am | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by LordSimen Meh. In my opinion the reason why there are so many PG/PG-13 movies these days is simply because they are easier to sell. In terms of the ratings themselves, I think the ratings for the film should be whatever that film ends up being as a result of the director's vision. If it ends up in it's final cut being R, then it should be R. Not cut down to PG-13 for money reasons. I also think the rating, in the case of a sequel, should stay consistent. If the first movie, or movies, of a series are a certain rating, the rating should be at least somewhat similar between films. R rated movies should have R rated sequels, PG movies should have PG or PG-13 sequels, etc... That's fact, not an opinion. Few directors will preserve their "R vision" in favor of editing and reducing it to a "PG-13 result" if it means doubling your paycheck. Hell I'd end up more than tempted... And O-C, you're right. Like I said, Hollywood is far from being influenced by elitist religi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Orson-Cockart at May 22, 2008, 10:18 am | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Presuming U.S Christian groups had so much influence, don't you think they would prevent the alarming amount of communist, nihilist propoganda which gets produced in Hollywood? | | Static Link |
| Posted by: LordSimen at May 22, 2008, 10:14 am | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Meh. In my opinion the reason why there are so many PG/PG-13 movies these days is simply because they are easier to sell. In terms of the ratings themselves, I think the ratings for the film should be whatever that film ends up being as a result of the director's vision. If it ends up in it's final cut being R, then it should be R. Not cut down to PG-13 for money reasons. I also think the rating, in the case of a sequel, should stay consistent. If the first movie, or movies, of a series are a certain rating, the rating should be at least somewhat similar between films. R rated movies should have R rated sequels, PG movies should have PG or PG-13 sequels, etc... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: SpoonMan999 at May 22, 2008, 10:10 am | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by vesaker glad i could make your day, lol Hey! It was a joint effort, your typo and my interpretation. I think if we try hard enough we can make this a meme. Whenever a movie looks like it's been fluffed too much we can just say, "Well, they needed to film ore seats." | | Static Link |
| Posted by: john_rambo at May 22, 2008, 9:28 am | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | I really do not care about ratings if it is a good movie I will see it. As far as sequels go I do not care if they keep the original ratings as long as they keep the same feel. Live Free or Die Hard was not ruined at all by the rating... the only thing it was missing was a little cussing and I really do not think that makes a flick. The series was never overly gory and always had PG13 violence in my opinion. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Homyrrh at May 22, 2008, 9:08 am | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | Quote: Originally Posted by KcMsterpce This is because there was no PG-13 rating until Spielberg recommend it for Temple of Doom. The heart ripping scene was too harsh along with the darker tone for a PG rating. But he didn't want it rated R. So he proposed the MPAA make a PG-14.
Damn, that guy was a genius. First movie to be widely released as PG-13 was RED DAWN, but THE FLAMINGO KID was the first flick that the MPAA rated with this new system. I've noticed how some movies (which annoys me) have been re-rated some time around 1996 and afterwards. GHOSTBUSTERS all of a sudden was PG-13, along with GREMLINS, BETTER OFF DEAD, and some other titles that got a fresh VHS sent out to stores for sale.
Even now, I see something got a new rating. I just wish they didn't do that.
It's like renaming RAIDERS... "Indiana Jones and the Raiders...", or Star Wars becoming "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope". Gimme a break! I also thought it was "film ore seats". There's an explanatio... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Homyrrh at May 22, 2008, 9:07 am | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Tony_Montana What I find wierd is some PG films of the 70s and early 80s (Raiders of the Lost Ark, among others) are way more violent than some R's today... 'Patton' (1970) is PG. This was surprising to me, as even though this film is hardly violent (a biopic, not a war epic by any standard), the general's enduring opening speech set against the enormous American flag includes multiple curses and vulgar speech. Do I have a problem with it? No, it used to be my favorite film for most of my childhood life. But it is peculiar than back in 1970, it was PG when today it would've easily been a PG-13. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: KcMsterpce at May 22, 2008, 9:02 am | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | Quote: Originally Posted by Tony_Montana What I find wierd is some PG films of the 70s and early 80s (Raiders of the Lost Ark, among others) are way more violent than some R's today... This is because there was no PG-13 rating until Spielberg recommend it for Temple of Doom. The heart ripping scene was too harsh along with the darker tone for a PG rating. But he didn't want it rated R. So he proposed the MPAA make a PG-14.
Damn, that guy was a genius. First movie to be widely released as PG-13 was RED DAWN, but THE FLAMINGO KID was the first flick that the MPAA rated with this new system. I've noticed how some movies (which annoys me) have been re-rated some time around 1996 and afterwards. GHOSTBUSTERS all of a sudden was PG-13, along with GREMLINS, BETTER OFF DEAD, and some other titles that got a fresh VHS sent out to stores for sale.
Even now, I see something got a new rating. I just wish they didn't do that.
It's like renaming RAIDERS... "Indiana Jones and the Raiders...", or Star ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Tony_Montana at May 22, 2008, 7:05 am | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | What I find wierd is some PG films of the 70s and early 80s (Raiders of the Lost Ark, among others) are way more violent than some R's today... | | Static Link |
| Posted by: TeeRay at May 22, 2008, 1:45 am | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | It's all about the cash. PG-13 films usually make more money than films rated R. I have nothing against the ratings. IMO, I don't think kids should see R-rated films until they mature enough to handle it (usually around 10 and up). The trick is trying to work with the rating and not against it. Just because a movie is PG-13 and not R doesn't mean it has to be a terrible movie. Live Free or Die Hard is a good example. It's a great movie, and the PG-13 rating doesn't damage it. An example of a movie that really could use the R-rating is Accepted. So much potential wasted by trying to keep it tame. It was OK, but if had the R-rating it could have been so much more. Just some thoughts. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Homyrrh at May 21, 2008, 8:31 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by biff_debris I'm still laughing at the "seat of raw ore" thing. Yeah, me too, and actually out loud. As for ratings, yeah I watched 'End of Days', 'Terminator 2', various slashers, etc. well before hitting double-digits, but how MANY parents will take their kid to that kind of movie? Not a whole lot; some, but not a lot. It's a lot safer for the studios to release PGs instead of Rs. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: athf1980 at May 21, 2008, 5:25 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | the rating of movie don't bother me...it's the quaulty of the movie that more bothers me more . To me a movie can be great or shitty as g,pg,pg-13,& R. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Sonny Corleone at May 21, 2008, 2:33 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | I find this whole PG/PG-13 rating for money thing funny because when I was a kid like 10 years old or whatever I would watch mostly R rated movies at the local theater and movie rentals or whatnot. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: vesaker at May 21, 2008, 2:20 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Homyrrh I actually laughed aloud the two above posts. Maybe it's French. heh no, just my dyslexia and not bothering to proof read | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Homyrrh at May 21, 2008, 1:42 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by SpoonMan999 Because of this typo I thought you typed "film ore seats" and was like wtf? I didn't even notice the second "l." I actually started thinking of what a seat of raw ore would be like. I actually laughed aloud the two above posts. Maybe it's French. Also, Christian influence has little to do with it. I don't know how that can be taken very seriously for the most part. No sensible parent would take 6-year old Jack and Jill to see a legitimate R-rated film. Meanwhile, very few adults will see G-rated films on their own accord. Hitting the middle slots, especially PG where everyone, their mother and their daughter wil see it, is a good bet. Shitty PG films blow shitty R films out of the water in terms of box office gross. 'Prince Caspian' garnered some mild controversy over its rating because it arguably could have been PG-13 (eh...very debatable) for all of the "fantasy violence" present, though Disney did whatever it needed to (like just simpl... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: SpoonMan999 at May 21, 2008, 1:41 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Homyrrh I actually laughed aloud the two above posts. Maybe it's French. Also, Christian influence has little to do with it. I don't know how that can be taken very seriously for the most part. No sensible parent would take 6-year old Jack and Jill to see a legitimate R-rated film. Meanwhile, very few adults will see G-rated films on their own accord. Hitting the middle slots, especially PG where everyone, their mother and their daughter wil see it, is a good bet. Shitty PG films blow shitty R films out of the water in terms of box office gross. 'Prince Caspian' garnered some mild controversy over its rating because it arguably could have been PG-13 (eh...very debatable) for all of the "fantasy violence" present, though Disney did whatever it needed to (like just simply being Disney) in order to get the PG nod from the MPAA and ultimately much better ticket sales. I wouldn't take my toddler to a PG-13 film....well, maybe. I saw Judge Dredd in theatres in '95...I was 9. T... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: SpoonMan999 at May 21, 2008, 1:24 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by vesaker Lowest common denominator is the logic behind these rating, even though an R version of a given film might make more money simply cause it was awsome then a crappier or cut down PG 13 version that technically can fillm ore seats. Because of this typo I thought you typed "film ore seats" and was like wtf? I didn't even notice the second "l." I actually started thinking of what a seat of raw ore would be like. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: vesaker at May 21, 2008, 1:12 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Lowest common denominator is the logic behind these rating, even though an R version of a given film might make more money simply cause it was awsome then a crappier or cut down PG 13 version that technically can fillm ore seats. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Asa_Phelps at May 21, 2008, 1:11 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Yeah, I know Disturbia was PG-13 but in general PG and PG-13 is an easier rating to stomach than the R. It's just funny how convinced this guy was - I was hoping someone here might have a link to an article concerning this issue. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Cunning Visions at May 21, 2008, 12:43 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Disturbia was PG-13. Not much of a difference, but it is important to note. While some of these Christian groups do have some pull here in the U.S. (sadly), they really don't influence film ratings at all. Just like SpoonMan said, it's all about getting butts in the theaters, and the majority of the time the teen audience is the main target. Hence why the most horror films are now PG-13. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: SpoonMan999 at May 21, 2008, 12:31 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Christians have nothing to do with it, it's the money thing. That's why Die Hard 4 was PG-13 and same with the first AvP, they wanted more people to see so they could get more money. And in doing so they betrayed their franchises. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Asa_Phelps at May 21, 2008, 12:21 pm | | Topic: What's with all the PG ratings? Forum: JoBlo | | Okay, personally I know why films are rated PG or PG-13 (in the States anyway). At least I think I know . . . it's to make more money right? I mean the PG demographic is huge, largely influential and has the most money to waste. Not to mention teens and pre-teens use the theater like a social hang out so usually they're bound to spend more money than the average adult. But recently I was having an argument with someone who claimed that the explanation for all the PG ratings has to do with religion. To quote him directly "no, they are made tame because the crazy christians have got more power than ever in the US..and that means that they are PG movies " My response was that Sweeney Todd was rated R, got nominated and won an Oscar and made $52,829,046. Disturbia on the other hand was rated PG, wasn't nominated (for an Oscar) and made $80,209,692. He answered this with 'why then is the MPAA whining about losing money because of piracy.' Not sure what piracy has to do with making money off a specific r... | | Read Entire Entry |
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