| Posted by: john_rambo at May 19, 2008, 7:03 pm | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | Honestly... Mel Gibson has direct 4 movies... and I think 3 of them deserved oscar recognition (1 did), I have not seen Man without a face in years... so I can not comment on that one...but I thought Passion of the Christ and Apocalypto were both awesome movies. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: X-Nightcrawler at May 8, 2008, 4:35 pm | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by IanLovesMovies In no way was I disrespecting Heath. More like disrespecting everyone that is using his pic as their avatar. Relax. Your Lion King one is way cooler. He died too. lol . . . you know, this is where I'd get pissed because someone again didn't catch I was joking, but you just made a compliment to LK in one way or another so you're off the hook. Though Simba didn't die. No matter. I was joking. I know they're just avatars but it's become a little irritating to see Heath's mug everywhere. I mean, not only here, but every other board I've visited lately. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: DaMovieMan at May 7, 2008, 1:10 am | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | Apocalypto is an amazing piece of cinema, and a 65% rating at RT does classify it as underrated (whoever used imdb as a source to say it's not underrated made me chuckle) It deserves to be higher for what it is: an entertaining and original film with enough social and human commentary to make it worthy of an in-depth discussion. Underrated, in my understanding of the word, applies to a film that deserves more attention/praise than what it got. Talk of Mel Gibson's antics outweighed the talk of the film and that, apart from being just plain sad, is a clear indication of why this film is underrated. For those who are against this movie, i find it interesting that none of you really stepped up to the original posters challenge: a strong argument for why it isn't underrated. Just a note, i can;t believe that there are people who saw this and didn't care about what happens to the characters. How someone cannot care about the pregnant wife and child in the cave is beyond me. Historical accuracy was never something... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: rilocay at May 4, 2008, 3:14 am | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | People can complain about the movie's narrative and about being a chase film, saying the film is crap. But film isnt just narrative, it is Visual more than anything else, and Apocalypto does this so strongly. Great use of colour and composition, it really is a treat for the eyes. And iv'e heard good word of mouth from the people i know who have seen it, so i guess it's not to underrated in my parts. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: X-Nightcrawler at May 3, 2008, 11:52 pm | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Pride I agree with Digi about not caring about some characters, for me I actually kind of wanted them to find the pregnant woman down the cave just so we wouldnt have to feel we have to care about her anymore. I dont care about historical inaccuracies (if there are any) or the violence, if I wanted to delve into Mayan culture I would throw on a documentary not an action movie to escape for 2 hours. The movie still had great performances and suspense and thats all you really want from a chase movie; 8/10. Exactly! What's worse is that the only thing that makes you think "Mayan" is the 10 minute scene in some city. All the other scenes take place in a jungle that could be in China for all we know. Who cares, it's just stupid and exciting action from beginning to end. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Pride at May 3, 2008, 11:50 pm | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | I agree with Digi about not caring about some characters, for me I actually kind of wanted them to find the pregnant woman down the cave just so we wouldnt have to feel we have to care about her anymore. I dont care about historical inaccuracies (if there are any) or the violence, if I wanted to delve into Mayan culture I would throw on a documentary not an action movie to escape for 2 hours. The movie still had great performances and suspense and thats all you really want from a chase movie; 8/10. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: X-Nightcrawler at May 3, 2008, 11:12 pm | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by eljefe15 It's not hard to imagine. I heard the same things from my Chicano friends and family. I can understand them being proud of their Mestizo and Indigenous heritage but some take it too far. I always laugh when a acquaintance of mine says she's a full blooded Aztec, meanwhile she's a blond, green-eyed Mexican. I think you do the Mayans more of a disservice to hide the truth with patriotism than to embrace their true nature based on historical, anthropological and archaeological facts, regardless of how "unpleasant" it may be. Just my opinion though. Mexicans are hybrids, yet somehow the general society completely reject Spain and embrace mesoamerican heritage like it's all that runs in our filthy blood. The high classes, on the other side (10% of the country), love Spain and everyone wants to go there and pretend their blood is mostly spanish (and some of them go as far as speaking with spanish accents, but that's the lowest of the low and I've seen it only twice). ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Digifruitella at May 3, 2008, 10:22 pm | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | underrated? how about slightly overrated 7.9 on imdb with 52,000 votes. A borefest, snoozefest, whatever you wanna call it. I absolutely didn't give a shit about anybody in the film, yeah, not even the pregnant mother with a child in that cave. You throw her down there, tell me one story around a campfire, and that's supposed to make me care? yes it's visually interesting - to see all the costumes, or lack thereof, the production design..but it's a chore to sit through. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Cyd V at May 3, 2008, 3:45 pm | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by auge_28 Apocrapto is nothing but a bunch of nearly naked Mexicans chasing each other around in the jungle. What is underrated about that? This film got what it deserved . . . not much. It had great social commentary on politics and capitalism as well as imperialism at the end.. All you have to do is look at the contrast between the small little tribe and the mayan city.. Small little tribe, everyone's happy, no mental illness, everyone is fed.. then they get to the mayan city and everyone is fucked, there's pollution, starving people everywhere, diseases, slaves and a big fat assed spoiled rich bastard using religion to mainpulate and create fears in them so they can be easily exploited.. Great fucking movie.. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: eljefe15 at May 3, 2008, 2:56 pm | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by X-Nightcrawler That's exactly what it means. Right on. But yeah, "Apocalypto" was great fun. And very purdy. That's right, and if you could only imagine the backlash this film got in Mexico. I was too fucking pissed. Every teacher in my school acting like a fucking dumbass, calling it racist and ignorant. Re-fucking-tarded. It's not hard to imagine. I heard the same things from my Chicano friends and family. I can understand them being proud of their Mestizo and Indigenous heritage but some take it too far. I always laugh when a acquaintance of mine says she's a full blooded Aztec, meanwhile she's a blond, green-eyed Mexican. I think you do the Mayans more of a disservice to hide the truth with patriotism than to embrace their true nature based on historical, anthropological and archaeological facts, regardless of how "unpleasant" it may be. Just my opinion though. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: X-Nightcrawler at May 3, 2008, 10:03 am | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by KcMsterpce Why is it "UNDERRATED"? Please, explain this. What does that mean? You mean that you like it, but have the impression that no one else does? I need help with this term. That's exactly what it means. Right on. But yeah, "Apocalypto" was great fun. And very purdy. Quote: Originally Posted by eljefe15 I agree completely with this statement. And as far as Gibson basing his story on the Aztecs, well I don't agree with that. If anything, the Aztec Civilization based most of their culture on other Mesoamerican Civilizations. They were cultural borrowers, much like the Japanese were in early Japanese history. They not only borrowed from the Toltecs, Olmecs, the Teotihuacan civilization especially, but the Mayans as well. Most people believe that because of their scientific, astronomical and social achievements, the Mayans were too sophisticated to be capable of atrocities. In fact not only were they capable, but their civilization was as bloody if not bloodi... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: ilovemovies at May 3, 2008, 9:17 am | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | Mel Gibson's worst movie. Not just his worst directorial effort but his worst period. Boring and ugly looking. Gibson is usually a fantastic director that's why I was really surprised by how poorly directed some of the movie is. For instance, the choreography of the initial raid in the begining was just horribly done. One of 2006's most disappointing movies and I actually think the movie is actually overrated. 4/10 | | Static Link |
| Posted by: WhatsInaName at May 3, 2008, 8:08 am | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | As much as I hate admitting this, but this movie didn't do well for me on a second viewing. When I first saw it, I was really impressed 10/10. After a second viewing tho, I can only give it 8/10, and I'm afraid it will drop even more upon more repeated viewings. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: eljefe15 at May 2, 2008, 9:11 pm | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by DME I'm hardly a Mel Gibson apologist but I don't think it's unreasonable to surmise that the DUI incident and backlash might have influenced at least a few reviews at the time. That said, there were surely other unfavorable reviews that were entirely based on the fact that the reviewer just wasn't all that moved by the film. I thought it was good, if not exceptional, but that's just me. I agree completely with this statement. And as far as Gibson basing his story on the Aztecs, well I don't agree with that. If anything, the Aztec Civilization based most of their culture on other Mesoamerican Civilizations. They were cultural borrowers, much like the Japanese were in early Japanese history. They not only borrowed from the Toltecs, Olmecs, the Teotihuacan civilization especially, but the Mayans as well. Most people believe that because of their scientific, astronomical and social achievements, the Mayans were too sophisticated to be capable of atrocities. In fact not only were they... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: CosmicPuppet at May 2, 2008, 4:13 pm | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by bigred760 They weren't Mexicans. They were Mayans. I believe he was referring to the fact that it was shot in Yucatan, Mexico, so I'm sure there were plenty of Mexican people running around in the film. Hell, the main actor was an American Indian, so I think the PC concept of "calling them Mayans" is kinda just tacky especially when the film wasn't even accurate to the Mayan civilization. It was like Gibson mixed cultures, borrowing heavily from the Aztec warrior-like state using Mayan culture. It really killed my ability to enjoy the film knowing a little bit about the culture and realizing Gibson simplified everything to make an action film about savages. It's an almost lost culture with many mysteries such as the calendar, its creation of geometry, the creation of the amazingly geometrically sound pyramids and all he can do is show a bunch of savage people chasing after some guy killing each other? I found it insulting. There was intelligence in these people that the ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: MadsenOMC at May 2, 2008, 3:48 pm | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Bourne101 It's like comparing Baby Mama (60%) to American Gangster (80%). One is obviously better than the other. I just view Apocalypto as a film that is better than most 60% RT movies. I didn't like American Gangster. I think that one is extremely overrated. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Bourne101 at May 2, 2008, 3:30 pm | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by JohnLocke2342 haha I'm not.. call me crazy but I wanted to see some fucked up ritualistic killings. I didnt wanna see the camera pan away when their heads were chopped off. It was gory, but I might just be ridiculous lol Fair enough you crazy mofo! | | Static Link |
| Posted by: JohnLocke2342 at May 2, 2008, 3:29 pm | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Bourne101 Not violent enough? You must be fucking joking. haha I'm not.. call me crazy but I wanted to see some fucked up ritualistic killings. I didnt wanna see the camera pan away when their heads were chopped off. It was gory, but I might just be ridiculous lol | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Bourne101 at May 2, 2008, 3:26 pm | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by MadsenOMC How does one differentiate between a 65% on RT and an 80% on RT? Why does it seem more like a movie that would have an 80% rating? It's like comparing Baby Mama (60%) to American Gangster (80%). One is obviously better than the other. I just view Apocalypto as a film that is better than most 60% RT movies. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: MadsenOMC at May 2, 2008, 3:20 pm | | Topic: Apocalypto... One of the Most Underrated Films in Recent Memory? Forum: JoBlo | | How does one differentiate between a 65% on RT and an 80% on RT? Why does it seem more like a movie that would have an 80% rating? I think the rating would have been much lower if critics allowed their personal feelings about Gibson to impact their reviews. Also, to some critics, "too violent" and "chase movie" are legitimate complaints. It's not really BS if they back up their complaints. | | Static Link |
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