| Posted by: the saw is family at March 26, 2008, 12:19 pm | | Topic: Defining Film Noir . . . Forum: JoBlo | | i don't feel noir is exclusively american. i think it was originally american. i think godard's breathless (while not strictly a noir, it's really about noirs more than anything, it contains many of the classic noir elements). i consider melville's bob le flambeur to be a noir, there are also many other non-american noirs. as for the neo-noir genre, i think they may be a little too self aware, but there are films that fit into the category. brick is a good example of a neo-noir, that while being 100% self aware of what it was doing it still fits into the noir genre.i also think the original noirs were a product of their times and it would be nearly impossible to create a noir film know without some semblance of self awareness. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: auge_28 at March 26, 2008, 12:59 pm | | Topic: Defining Film Noir . . . Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by the saw is family i don't feel noir is exclusively american. i think it was originally american. i think godard's breathless (while not strictly a noir, it's really about noirs more than anything, it contains many of the classic noir elements). i consider melville's bob le flambeur to be a noir, there are also many other non-american noirs. as for the neo-noir genre, i think they may be a little too self aware, but there are films that fit into the category. brick is a good example of a neo-noir, that while being 100% self aware of what it was doing it still fits into the noir genre.i also think the original noirs were a product of their times and it would be nearly impossible to create a noir film know without some semblance of self awareness. So we seem to be in agreement. With a defining line being Neo-Noir vs. Noir or self-aware vs, not self-aware. There are hundreds of noir aesthetic films made after the classic period (and a couple made before) . . . but I feel they must not... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Agent Smith at December 11, 2007, 8:06 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | moviePig wrote: moviePig wrote: I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. :] THE LOOKOUT and L.A. CONFIDENTIAL maybe... but surely not NO COUNTRY, KISS KISS, or SHORTY. Afaik, noir takes more than a wry plot with a less-than-ebullient outcome. E.g., you need fatalism... and underexposed film... Well, Roeper and Friend pronounced both No Country and Kiss Kiss to be noir, and Shorty was written by Elmore Leonard. I think that's enough to make them noir. I've read tons of Elmore... without ever once thinking of noir, iirc Of course, I certainly wouldn't gainsay Roeper (at least without a nearby Friend of my own)... but I think noir is about streetlamps and/ or headlights, usually reflected in w... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at March 26, 2008, 1:09 pm | | Topic: Defining Film Noir . . . Forum: JoBlo | | Film Noir might have started in America but its not exclusively american thats for sure. Theres many foreign films that strive to achieve the noir style. As for your second question, well, that often happens when you are establishing something new. .You dont know you are doing it, but you are. Its like with Heavy Metal for example. The first people who started it, they didnt know they were making what would later be known as "Heavy Metal", they were the creators, the originators of it, they were just doing what came out of their souls through music. Same thing with noir films. They started making these dark, pessimistic films unbeknownst to them. It was just a reflection of the times they were living in. New nor, is trying to imitate that style we just call it Neo-noir cause its beeing done now as opposed to the 40s and 50s. A perfect example of this is the Coen Bros. The Man Who Wasnt There. Its very obvious they were striving to achieve the perfect Noir film, and they achieved it. But thats an ex... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Agent Smith at December 11, 2007, 6:06 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | moviePig wrote: I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. :] THE LOOKOUT and L.A. CONFIDENTIAL maybe... but surely not NO COUNTRY, KISS KISS, or SHORTY. Afaik, noir takes more than a wry plot with a less-than-ebullient outcome. E.g., you need fatalism... and underexposed film... Well, Roeper and Friend pronounced both No Country and Kiss Kiss to be noir, and Shorty was written by Elmore Leonard. I think that's enough to make them noir. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at December 11, 2007, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 11, 5:06 pm, Agent Smith wrote: Quote:moviePig wrote: I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. :] THE LOOKOUT and L.A. CONFIDENTIAL maybe... but surely not NO COUNTRY, KISS KISS, or SHORTY. Afaik, noir takes more than a wry plot with a less-than-ebullient outcome. E.g., you need fatalism... and underexposed film... Well, Roeper and Friend pronounced both No Country and Kiss Kiss to be noir, and Shorty was written by Elmore Leonard. I think that's enough to make them noir. I've read tons of Elmore... without ever once thinking of noir, iirc Of course, I certainly wouldn't gainsay Roeper (at least without a nearby Friend of my own)... but I think noir is about streetlamps and/ or headl... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: auge_28 at March 26, 2008, 1:35 pm | | Topic: Defining Film Noir . . . Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey Film Noir might have started in America but its not exclusively american thats for sure. Theres many foreign films that strive to achieve the noir style. As for your second question, well, that often happens when you are establishing something new. .You dont know you are doing it, but you are. Its like with Heavy Metal for example. The first people who started it, they didnt know they were making what would later be known as "Heavy Metal", they were the creators, the originators of it, they were just doing what came out of their souls through music. Same thing with noir films. They started making these dark, pessimistic films unbeknownst to them. It was just a reflection of the times they were living in. New nor, is trying to imitate that style we just call it Neo-noir cause its beeing done now as opposed to the 40s and 50s. A perfect example of this is the Coen Bros. The Man Who Wasnt There. Its very obvious they were striving to achieve the perfect Noir fil... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: auge_28 at March 26, 2008, 3:49 pm | | Topic: Defining Film Noir . . . Forum: JoBlo | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey Noir films Ive seen: Crimewave (Raimi and the Coens) The Man Who Wasnt There
Dark City Sin City Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow I would not consider Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow remotely Noir . . . but the rest are decent examples of Neo-Noir.
I have never seen Crimewave so cannot answer to it. Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey Plus most of the Universal films which strangely enough is where a lot of film noir had its roots. In old universal films like Dracula, The Mummy and most of all James Whales The Invisble Man, which according to what Ive read about film Noir is the Univesal film that most sticks to the Noir style. I would guess that these films are limited in there relationship to Film Noir . . . I would say that the genres are more likely step siblings of each other. The parent they share is German Expressionism . . . probably based more on Robert Wiene's The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari (1922). Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey Ye... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: auge_28 at February 4, 2008, 4:03 pm | | Topic: The Lost Weekend . . . Forum: JoBlo | | Another winner from one of my favorite film makers Billy Wilder, I have yet to see a film by this guy I don't like. I have also yet to see a film noir that impressed me as much as his 1950 hit Sunset Boulevard. but we can talk about this film in another thread if we want. I watched The Lost Weekend for the first time over the weekend. You probably do not need me to tell ya that The Lost Weekend was a major award winner way back in 1945 . . . and with good reason. If you have yet to see this film I suggest you do so. This is not your typical Noir, there are no detectives or gangsters . . . nope, it's the other kind of Noir, you know the one were a man battles his personal demons and all to often loses. I am not going to tell you much more about this film here as I could never do a Wilder film justice by typing a hand full of paragraphs. Just make a list and watch as many as you can . . . don't argue, just do it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Monotreme at March 26, 2008, 3:14 pm | | Topic: Defining Film Noir . . . Forum: JoBlo | | Ahh... I love this genre. Off the top of my head I can't really think of many foreign films-noir except for The Third Man; it is an understandably American genre, originating from the cinematographers of German expressionism who fled the Nazis and were integrated into Hollywood, bringing their visual style along with them. Watch Murnau's "The Last Laugh", for example: Keep the entire movie the way it is without altering a single shot but change the main character from a hotel porter to an aging hard-boiled detective, facing the scorn of those surrounding him and losing his sanity as he attempts to tackle one last impossible case, and it becomes a film-noir. The detective element is crucial, I think, even if the aesthetic can be found in many other films both before and during the classic-noir period. I've also noticed that a very large amount of films-noir take place in Los Angeles. Anyone else noticed this common element? Neo-noir is a different matter, seing as many examples of the genre take eit... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: moviePig at December 11, 2007, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 11, 7:06 pm, Agent Smith wrote: Quote:moviePig wrote: moviePig wrote: I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. :] THE LOOKOUT and L.A. CONFIDENTIAL maybe... but surely not NO COUNTRY, KISS KISS, or SHORTY. Afaik, noir takes more than a wry plot with a less-than-ebullient outcome. E.g., you need fatalism... and underexposed film... Well, Roeper and Friend pronounced both No Country and Kiss Kiss to be noir, and Shorty was written by Elmore Leonard. I think that's enough to make them noir. I've read tons of Elmore... without ever once thinking of noir, iirc Of course, I certainly wouldn't gainsay Roeper (at least without a nearby Friend of my own)... but I think noir is about streetlam... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: artyw2@yahoo.com at December 11, 2007, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 11, 4:26 pm, Agent Smith wrote: Quote:I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. :] Brick? (Haven't seen it. It's supposed to be "High School Noir") U Turn (Same year as LA Confidential. Not all that great, though). | | Static Link |
| Posted by: nick at December 11, 2007, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 11, 6:10�pm, moviePig wrote: Quote:On Dec 11, 5:06 pm, Agent Smith wrote: moviePig wrote: I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. �What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. �:] THE LOOKOUT and L.A. CONFIDENTIAL maybe... but surely not NO COUNTRY, KISS KISS, or SHORTY. �Afaik, noir takes more than a wry plot with a less-than-ebullient outcome. �E.g., you need fatalism... and underexposed film... Well, Roeper and Friend pronounced both No Country and Kiss Kiss to be noir, and Shorty was written by Elmore Leonard. �I think that's enough to make them noir. I've read tons of Elmore... without ever once thinking of noir, iirc Of course, I certainly wouldn't gainsay Roeper (at least without a nearby Friend of my own)..... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bigred760 at May 15, 2008, 10:33 pm | | Topic: Help..Ho! Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by cl0n3b4by . . . and physco is considered to be a film noir? Maybe not predominantly, but I think there are some noir elements in it. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Agent Smith at December 11, 2007, 8:52 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | moviePig wrote: moviePig wrote: moviePig wrote: I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. :] THE LOOKOUT and L.A. CONFIDENTIAL maybe... but surely not NO COUNTRY, KISS KISS, or SHORTY. Afaik, noir takes more than a wry plot with a less-than-ebullient outcome. E.g., you need fatalism... and underexposed film... Well, Roeper and Friend pronounced both No Country and Kiss Kiss to be noir, and Shorty was written by Elmore Leonard. I think that's enough to make them noir. I've read tons of Elmore... without ever once thinking of noir, iirc Of course, I certainly wouldn't gainsay Roeper (at least without a nearby Friend of my own)... but I think noir is about streetlamps and/ or headlights, usuall... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Harkness at December 11, 2007, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 11, 4:26 pm, Agent Smith wrote: Quote:I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. :] recent? -- at least two of those films are ten years old. anyway, they don't make film noirs any more because film noir is period. They make neo-noir or they get all retro -- L.A. Confidential is the latter, The Lookout and Brick are the former. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is a wildly riffing satire on 80s crime movies. Memento is the one most in the ball park. John Harkness | | Static Link |
| Posted by: auge_28 at March 26, 2008, 3:35 pm | | Topic: Defining Film Noir . . . Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by Monotreme . . . The detective element is crucial, I think, even if the aesthetic can be found in many other films both before and during the classic-noir period. I've also noticed that a very large amount of films-noir take place in Los Angeles. Anyone else noticed this common element? Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York are all featured prominently. Some of the common threads I have noticed between these locations are: Port cities Large enough to not care for the individual Lots of rain Known for shady underground criminals Detective stories are not a necessity, but they are prominent . . . there are other stories for example: Police procedurals (The Naked City 1948), Low level gangsters reaching to far (White Heat 1949), Duped lovers [i](Double Indemnity 1944), Failing writers [i](Sunset Boulevard 1950) and so on. What is most common is men unsatisfied with there lot in life and trying once to often for the proverbial last grab at the brass ring. Quote: Originally Posted by ... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: cl0n3b4by at May 12, 2008, 6:09 pm | | Topic: Help..Ho! Forum: JoBlo | | Alrighty then where do we begin? A year ago I was 17 but thats besides the point. I had an interesting idea for a film. It is a self actualization film noir. Like Scream for Horror. The main character is being stalked and harassed by a serial killer. Killer leaves on clues on each body that relates to a film noir. The film noir in that certain murder scene or theme of that movie is the next crime scene. So far I have 3. Sunset Boulevard: A pool 3rd Man: Sewer Grate M: Child Killer so dude is found dead at a park. Now I need one more location, but where? I am shooting this recently on a shoe string budget and need to know where a believable death could take place. I saw film noirs like Maltese Falcon, Touch Of Evil and The Big Sleep and I couldn't lift any of them. Does anyone know a good one that I can use? Thank you very much :-D | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Le_Big_Mac at May 21, 2008, 7:28 pm | | Topic: Cinema in the shadows... Forum: JoBlo | Neo-Noir:
Se7en
Chinatown
Blade Runner
Memento
Blood Simple
L.A. Confidential
Sin City Old School Film-Noir:
The Third Man
Double Indemnity
Odd Man Out
Crossfire
Gilda
Laura | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Guest at December 11, 2007, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 11, 4:26 pm, Agent Smith wrote: Quote:I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. :] Disregarding "recent" for the sake of discussion, Box Office Mojo list 56 films since 1980 in its Neo Noir category. The newest are "Sin City" (no. 1 in non-inflation-adjusted box office in the category), "The Black Dahlia," "Hollywoodland," "Brick" (kiddie neo noir?), and "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang." http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=neonoir.htm Joe Ramirez | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at December 11, 2007, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 11, 4:26 pm, Agent Smith wrote: Quote:I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. :] THE LOOKOUT and L.A. CONFIDENTIAL maybe... but surely not NO COUNTRY, KISS KISS, or SHORTY. Afaik, noir takes more than a wry plot with a less-than-ebullient outcome. E.g., you need fatalism... and underexposed film... -- - - - - - - - - YOUR taste at work... http://www.moviepig.com | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Guest at December 11, 2007, 5:34 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 11, 9:35 pm, "art...@yahoo.com" wrote: Quote:On Dec 11, 4:26 pm, Agent Smith wrote: I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. :] Brick? (Haven't seen it. It's supposed to be "High School Noir") "Brick" is pretty entertaining, although the dialogue is so stylized that it's occasionally difficult to follow. Watching it is a bit like reading James Ellroy's "White Jazz." Joe Ramirez | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Agent Smith at December 12, 2007, 7:23 am | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | josephmramirez@netzero.com wrote in news:25c1f068-de8c-47b5-b0bd-da9cc5884e35@e6g2000prf.googlegroups.com: Quote:On Dec 11, 4:26 pm, Agent Smith wrote: I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. :] Disregarding "recent" for the sake of discussion, Box Office Mojo list 56 films since 1980 in its Neo Noir category. The newest are "Sin City" (no. 1 in non-inflation-adjusted box office in the category), "The Black Dahlia," "Hollywoodland," "Brick" (kiddie neo noir?), and "Kiss Kiss Bang Bang." http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=neonoir.htm I wouldn't call Sin City noir, because I feel that its status as a comic book adaptation exclusively dominates all ancillary categories into which i... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Agent Smith at December 11, 2007, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. :] | | Static Link |
| Posted by: Cold Pizza at April 10, 2008, 10:32 pm | | Topic: westerns Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by bigred760 I was thinking Michael Mann the whole time. I might just check them out. Mann-Stewart Collaborations: Winchester '73 Bend of the River The Naked Spur The Far Country The Man From Laramie Other notables: Man of the West The Tin Star His films are basically film noir transplanted into the West. He also has a very impressive film noir resume as well. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at December 11, 2007, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 11, 6:26 pm, nick wrote: Quote:On Dec 11, 6:10�pm, moviePig wrote: On Dec 11, 5:06 pm, Agent Smith wrote: moviePig wrote: I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. �What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. �:] THE LOOKOUT and L.A. CONFIDENTIAL maybe... but surely not NO COUNTRY, KISS KISS, or SHORTY. �Afaik, noir takes more than a wry plot with a less-than-ebullient outcome. �E.g., you need fatalism... and underexposed film... Well, Roeper and Friend pronounced both No Country and Kiss Kiss to be noir, and Shorty was written by Elmore Leonard. �I think that's enough to make them noir. I've read tons of Elmore... without ever once thinking of noir, iirc Of course, I certainly wouldn't gainsay Roeper (at least wit... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at March 26, 2008, 3:04 pm | | Topic: Defining Film Noir . . . Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by auge_28 You are correct that Noir's aesthetics (low-key lighting and psychologically expressive approach to mise-en-scène, et al.) stems from German Expressionism, brought to America after the directors (Fritz Lang, Billy Wilder, Edgar G. Ulmer, Robert Siodmak, et al.) moved here. Mixed with the 1930s French poetic realism, with its romantic, fatalistic attitude and celebration of doomed heroes. But all of this is NOT Film Noir, You get Film Noir when you mix some of what came before with the social/politcle/emotional climate of post-war America. Yes, I understand this, what I meant with my post is that german expressionism and its directors like Lang influenced heavily what is now known as the classical film noir period. Quote: Originally Posted by auge_28 Fritz Langs 1931 version of M was filmed in Germany . . . you are thinking of Joseph Losey 1951 adaptation filmed in L.A . . . which clearly falls into the classic period . . . I have never seen it but critics and audiences hat... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Agent Smith at December 11, 2007, 6:22 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | Harkness wrote: I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. :] recent? -- at least two of those films are ten years old. anyway, they don't make film noirs any more because film noir is period. Nah, you've just gotta get used to the color, and they've been creeping back toward b&w for at least those ten years. With The Good German (which I forgot from my list) they've finally realized that the washed out monochromatic look was just B&W in disguise, so they decided to call a spade a spade. Hopefully they'll use that spade to keep burying bodies. :] Quote:They make neo-noir or they get all retro -- L.A. Confidential is the latter, The Lookout and Brick are the former. Kiss Kiss Bang Bang... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Tweek at July 29, 2004, 7:23 am | | Topic: why does zombie movies have to be about zombies taking over? Forum: groupsrv | | Sensi Tiger <sensitiger@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:gLKMc.560$F6.107167@news.siol.net... Quote:Alex wrote: sci-fi/noir Any good examples of this one, anyone? James Cameron's name for his own style on the Terminator is "Tech Noir". He even used this term for the name of the nightclub in the movie. So, I'd say Terminator 1 and 2 and The Abyss could probably be called sci-fi/noir. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: nick at December 11, 2007, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 11, 4:43�pm, Harkness wrote: Quote:On Dec 11, 4:26 pm, Agent Smith wrote: I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. �What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. �:] recent? -- at least two of those films are �ten years old. anyway, they don't make film noirs any more because film noir is period. This might be a dumb question but when noirs were being made during the post-war period, was it a recognized genre, or did it only become one in retrospect? When people went to the movies and went to see something like Out of the Past or whatever, did they have the same awareness of what they were going to see and all the same preconceived genre expectations as, oh, teenage slasher fans or gross-out stoner comedy fans would toda... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Agent Smith at December 12, 2007, 7:26 am | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | Harkness wrote: On Dec 11, 4:43�pm, Harkness wrote: On Dec 11, 4:26 pm, Agent Smith wrote: I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Ban g Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off G et Carter, The Lookout. �What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. �:] recent? -- at least two of those films are �ten years old. anyway, they don't make film noirs any more because film noir is period. This might be a dumb question but when noirs were being made during the post-war period, was it a recognized genre, or did it only become one in retrospect?  When people went to the movies and went to see something like Out of the Past or whatever, did they have the same awareness of what they were going to see and all the same preconceived genre expectations as, oh, teenage slasher fans or gross-out stoner comedy f... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Monotreme at March 26, 2008, 3:45 pm | | Topic: Defining Film Noir . . . Forum: JoBlo | | Agreed about the broader description of the noir genre as being about men unsatisfied with their life and trying too hard to change things around for them. Another element I feel is men getting mixed up with things way beyond their level of control or comprehension and eventually soccuming. For example, Neff getting mixed up with the seminal femme fatale in Double Indemnity; Gillis getting mixed up with Desmond in Sunset Blvd.; simple breadwinner Sam Spade getting mixed up in a crime conspiracy far beyond his abilities in The Maltese Falcon; and examples from neo-noir such as Spade-like simple man Gittes getting mixed up in a massive crime conspiracy in Chinatown, or Lundegaard getting mixed up in a desperate con\kidnapping that goes horribly wrong and just keeps getting worse in Fargo. I also definitely think that the broader definition of what makes a film noir helps define most of the more modern neo-noir films; for instance, I definitely believe that The Big Lebowski is a type of neo-noir in that it feat... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Harkness at December 11, 2007, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 11, 5:33 pm, nick wrote: Quote:On Dec 11, 4:43�pm, Harkness wrote: On Dec 11, 4:26 pm, Agent Smith wrote: I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. �What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. �:] recent? -- at least two of those films are �ten years old. anyway, they don't make film noirs any more because film noir is period. This might be a dumb question but when noirs were being made during the post-war period, was it a recognized genre, or did it only become one in retrospect?  When people went to the movies and went to see something like Out of the Past or whatever, did they have the same awareness of what they were going to see and all the same preconceived genre expectations as, oh, teenage slasher fans or gros... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Agent Smith at December 11, 2007, 8:11 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | moviePig wrote: On Dec 11, 4:43�pm, Harkness wrote: On Dec 11, 4:26 pm, Agent Smith wrote: I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Ban g Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off G et Carter, The Lookout. �What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. �:] recent? -- at least two of those films are �ten years old. anyway, they don't make film noirs any more because film noir is period. This might be a dumb question but when noirs were being made during the post-war period, was it a recognized genre, or did it only become one in retrospect?  When people went to the movies and went to see something like Out of the Past or whatever, did they have the same awareness of what they were going to see and all the same preconceived genre expectations as, oh, teenage slasher fans or gross-out stoner comedy f... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: spacemonkey at March 26, 2008, 4:15 pm | | Topic: Defining Film Noir . . . Forum: JoBlo | | Quote: Originally Posted by auge_28 I would not consider Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow remotely Noir . . . but the rest are decent examples of Neo-Noir. I have never seen Crimewave so cannot answer to it. You havent because its the only Raimi/Coens film not to be on DVD. Its a damn shame cause its sooooooo noirish man, theres a storm in the city, its windy, its thundering and lightning through out the whole movie, but strangely enough theres no rain. Just a lot of wind blowing and the city streets are deserted. Bruce Campbell is on it and hes a heal in it. "So what, Im a heal, so what of it?" Very cool movie, I hope one day it reaches its way to DVD. You would defenetly dig it. But its noir mixed with Raimis unique kinetic and hyperactive camera work, and some slapstick for good measure. Its certainly a strange mix, but you know the Coen bros. worked on it, and you know they have always loved the noir genre. And what I meant when I mentioned Sky Captain is that at the very least it has a no... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: bluntman86 at January 28, 2002, 8:34 pm | | Topic: Reviews: The Man Who Wasn't There Forum: JoBlo | THE REVIEW my opinion on the Coen's movies has pretty much been hit or miss throughout their career.i loved "Raising Arizona","Fargo" and "O Brother, Where Art Thou?" but i can't stand "Barton Fink" and "The Big Lebowski"."The Man Who Wasn't There" is a definite hit! by far the best film they have ever created and one of my top 5 films of 2001! i loved the mystique of Ed Crane and his simple life as a barber.i have never been a fan of film noir but even if you aren't,you can still enjoy this movie.besides,the true genre of this movie isn't even really film noir,its crime-drama-comedy.pure genius!!!
FINAL GRADE:10/10 | | Static Link |
| Posted by: auge_28 at April 21, 2008, 1:47 pm | | Topic: The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari . . . Forum: JoBlo | I really liked this film, but of course I have always been a big fan of German Expressionism.
I love this style of art and always have. Big, bold almost monolithic imagery . . . this aesthetic is what initially draws me into films like Blade Runner, Brazil, 12 Monkeys, Dark City, Dracula and Frankenstein. I believe it also fuels my passion for Film Noir, because as we all know the style is derived from German Expressionism with it's lighting, monolithic cityscapes and big solid stone architecture. Of course I also enjoy the Bauhaus art style as well. If you do not know much about these art styles I suggest you spend a hour and look for some examples . . . if you love Noir or any of the films I mentioned above you will probably enjoy the German Expressionism and Bauhaus aesthetic. There was a set in The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari that had shafts of light from a window painted up a flight of stars . . . oh baby . . . it was an amazing effect. Also, it seems that the psychology of The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari i... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: auge_28 at March 26, 2008, 2:11 pm | | Topic: Defining Film Noir . . . Forum: JoBlo | Quote: Originally Posted by spacemonkey I wouldn't say its exclusively american. I mean it might have started and grown here but its roots go as back as german expressionism and that goes back to the early 1900's. Fritz Lang, for example brought some of his german expressionism to hollywood with M, which has many elements of the noir film, and that one came out in 1931. So Id say that it might have been born in America, but its seeds come from many places, including german expressionism and even further before that. You are correct that Noir's aesthetics (low-key lighting and psychologically expressive approach to mise-en-scène, et al.) stems from German Expressionism, brought to America after the directors (Fritz Lang, Billy Wilder, Edgar G. Ulmer, Robert Siodmak, et al.) moved here.
Mixed with the 1930s French poetic realism, with its romantic, fatalistic attitude and celebration of doomed heroes. But all of this is NOT Film Noir, You get Film Noir when you mix some of what came before with the social/... | | Read Entire Entry |
| Posted by: Ron in LA at May 28, 2002, 8:50 pm | | Topic: Reviews: The Man Who Wasn't There Forum: JoBlo | | Retro Noir written and directed by the Coen brothers starring Billy Bob Thornton as a phlegmatic barber who sets off a chain of tragic events in an attempt to raise $10,000 needed to invest in a dry cleaner. Frances McDormand is Thornton's hot, sexy wife (no, really). Shadowy black and white photography, and a cynical voice-over narration from Thornton, revive the 40's-style noir genre with an exaggerated homage. The story is interesting, complex, and full of surprises, but moves a bit slowly. The raves on this page notwithstanding, Coen fans are likely to be disappointed by the relative absence of humor or social satire. Film noir buffs will be interested, but probably prefer the original old films. | | Static Link |
| Posted by: moviePig at December 11, 2007, 5:26 pm | | Topic: Modern Film Noir Forum: groupsrv | | On Dec 11, 5:33 pm, nick wrote: Quote:On Dec 11, 4:43�pm, Harkness wrote: On Dec 11, 4:26 pm, Agent Smith wrote: I wonder if film noir may be experiencing a recent resurgence, and the movies that make me think so are No Country for Old Men, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, LA Confidential, Get Shorty, its sequel & it's titular rip-off Get Carter, The Lookout. �What other such films have I forgotten, since, say, LA Confidential won the Oscar? Hell, I think even Memento was film noir. �:] recent? -- at least two of those films are �ten years old. anyway, they don't make film noirs any more because film noir is period. This might be a dumb question but when noirs were being made during the post-war period, was it a recognized genre, or did it only become one in retrospect?  When people went to the movies and went to see something like Out of the Past or whatever, did they have the same awareness of what they were going to see and all the same preconceived genre expectations as, oh, teenage slasher fans or gros... | | Read Entire Entry |
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