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Posted by: auge_28 at March 26, 2008, 3:35 pm

Topic: Defining Film Noir . . . Forum: JoBlo

Quote: Originally Posted by Monotreme . . . The detective element is crucial, I think, even if the aesthetic can be found in many other films both before and during the classic-noir period. I've also noticed that a very large amount of films-noir take place in Los Angeles. Anyone else noticed this common element? Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York are all featured prominently. Some of the common threads I have noticed between these locations are: Port cities Large enough to not care for the individual Lots of rain Known for shady underground criminals Detective stories are not a necessity, but they are prominent . . . there are other stories for example: Police procedurals (The Naked City 1948), Low level gangsters reaching to far (White Heat 1949), Duped lovers [i](Double Indemnity 1944), Failing writers [i](Sunset Boulevard 1950) and so on. What is most common is men unsatisfied with there lot in life and trying once to often for the proverbial last grab at the brass ring. Quote: Originally Posted by Monotreme Neo-noir is a different matter, seing as many examples of the genre take either noir aesthetics and apply them to a non-noir environment (The Man who Wasn't There), or take non-noir aesthetics and apply them to a very noirish core (Fargo). Yes, it does not lessen them as films or narratives . . . they just do not count as original examples of true Film Noir . . . and should not be labeled [i]Film Noir but rather something like Neo-Noir or something similar befitting there genre . . . Blade Runner = Sci-Fi Noir.

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