| Posted by: Sionnach at May 28, 2004, 9:40 pm | | Topic: UK's GCHQ Whistle-blower case also impacts Greenpeace protes Forum: groupsrv | | "Giftzwerg" > > Quote:I would be somewhat suspicious of this, as the only practical difference between "rifles" and "muskets" is the characteristics of the inside of the barrel. There are other differences - outward ones- to various makes of them, though, which are noticeable to people who actually KNOW the weapons. Quote:My suspicion is that these were *supposed to be* rifles, as I believe they were using paper cartridges, typical of Minie-type >rifles. Paper cartridges were also used for muskets- they were standard issue to British musket infantry in the earlier 1800s. Quote:Later on, I noticed that the Imperial troops were using bolt-action magazine rifles. I don't recall if they were using such weapons in the scene where Katsumoto escapes from the Emperor, but either a breechloader or a magazine rifle would explain the high rate of fire the original poster was complaining about. Except that the the source of his complaint- and what has the scene with muzzleloaders ID's as a "blooper" on a couple of websites - is the idea that muzzleloaders can't achieve a rapid rate of fire. Now, according to another poster, and to two friends of mine who - on my request- just re-watched that scene, the soldiers are actually achieving rapid fire by firing in ranks... so it's NOT a blooper. Getting back to the question of the muzzleloaders- my two friends are familiar with specific makes of early firearms, and one of them owns quite a few of them. IOW, they can look at a particular gun and say "That's a Springfield" or "a Baker", etc. One says, and the other concurs, that: "in the first battle in the forest, the troops were using muzzle-loading muskets (probably Springfields), although the Irish sergeant had what appeared to be a lever-action Winchester or Henry repeating carbine." He goes on to say that he id'd them by the type of bayonets they had. The second guy says the sergeant's weapon was definitely a Henry; he has three in his collection. The first went on to say: "In the second battle in the open field, the troops had updated to bolt-action rifles with knife-style bayonets. I am not sure what they were, perhaps an early Mauser? I don't think we mass produced a bolt-action rifle until the 1903 Springfield. However, what makes it somewhat confusing is that the Japanese troops are still firing them in ranks." Which last bit may be why the OP refers to *repeated* scenes of rapid-fire muzzleloaders- he apparently didn't pay enough attention to notice that the type of firearm had changed. Quote:Feh. I know gun nuts who'll visit Fort Ticonderoga and patiently explain how the ignorant museum curator has mislabeled an *obviously* Dutch-pattern personal weapon as a military musket carried by the Black Watch. Yeah. Whew. Obvious. Everybody has their enthusiasms and interests. <G> |
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